[I. Call to Order]
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GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE.THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DECATUR PLANNING COMMISSION FOR OCTOBER THE 10TH, 2023.
MY NAME IS HAROLD BUCKLEY AND I WILL BE CHAIRING THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING.
THIS IS A SEVEN MEMBER COMMISSION OF DECATUR RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
IT ALSO REVIEWS AND RECOMMENDS CHANGES TO THE CITY'S ZONING REGULATIONS AND FUTURE LAND USE PLANS.
WE WILL HEAR APPLICATIONS TONIGHT IN THE ORDER THEY ARE LISTED ON THE PRINTED AGENDA.
APPLICANTS ARE GIVEN TIME TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WHEN THEIR APPLICATION IS CALLED.
PLEASE BE SURE TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR REMARKS.
SINCE THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE APPLICANT TO CONVINCE THE COMMISSION TO VOTE IN THEIR FAVOR.
APPLICANTS ARE ALSO ALLOWED TO PRESENT REBUTTAL TO ANY OPPOSITION AGAINST THEM.
OPPOSING PARTIES ARE NOT GRANTED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL.
OUR RULES ALLOW ME TO IMPOSE A THREE MINUTE TIME LIMIT ON INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS IN ORDER TO AVOID US BEING HERE AT 1:30 IN THE MORNING AGAIN.
SO THAT IS HOW WE WILL CONDUCT THE HEARING THIS EVENING.
BEING HERE THAT LATE ISN'T FAIR TO ANYONE OUT THERE.
ONCE ALL INTERESTED PARTIES HAVE BEEN HEARD, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE APPLICATION.
PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ANY APPLAUSE OR DIALOG DURING OR AFTER PRESENTATIONS.
PLEASE SHOW THE SAME RESPECT TO ANYONE WHO IS SPEAKING THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO RECEIVE YOURSELF.
THE PLANNING COMMISSION RENDERS FINAL DECISIONS ON SUBDIVISION APPLICATIONS, BUT IT MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS ON ALL OTHER APPLICATIONS TO THE CITY COMMISSION, WHICH HAS FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY ON THOSE CASES.
AND I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
THIS IS NOT THE LAST STOP FOR ANY OF THE FOR THE APPLICATION.
FOR THE CITY SWITCH APPLICATION, THE SUBDIVISION APPLICATION.
JASON FRIEDLANDER. JOHN MCFARLAND.
TONIGHT WE HAVE THREE ITEMS OF BUSINESS ON OUR AGENDA.
[II.a. Approval of Minutes from September 12, 2023 regularly scheduled meeting.]
THE FIRST ITEM OF UNFINISHED BUSINESS IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES FROM THE SEPTEMBER 12TH REGULARLY SCHEDULED MEETING.SO HAS EVERYONE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES? ARE THERE ANY CORRECTIONS OR REVISIONS THAT ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO MAKE? HEARING NONE. DO I HEAR A MOTION TO ADOPT THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? SO MOVED. SECOND.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. WE'LL MOVE TO THE VOTE.
ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION INDICATE BY SAYING AYE? AYE. THAT MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
[II.b. CitySwitch, applicant, has requested a conditional use permit to construct a new wireless telecommunications facility within an I – Institutional zoning district on the railroad right-of-way, which is owned by CSX Transportation, Inc., and accessed via Maediris Drive, Decatur GA.]
TELECOMMUNICATIONS FACILITY WITHIN AN INSTITUTIONAL I'M SORRY, INSTITUTIONAL ZONING DISTRICT ON THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY, WHICH IS OWNED BY CSX TRANSPORTATION INC.AND ACCESSED THROUGH THE MAEDIRIS DRIVE DECATUR, GEORGIA.
AND I SEE THE APPLICANT IS HERE.
IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION.
SO IF WE COULD FOCUS YOUR PRESENTATION ON THE ISSUES THAT CAME UP LAST TIME AND WHAT YOU'VE DONE TO ADDRESS THOSE AND ANY NEW INFORMATION.
SURE. THANK YOU, CHAIRMAN BUCKLEY.
SO WE DID A LETTER TO MS. THREADGILL THAT PROVIDED OUR RESPONSES TO THAT INFORMATION.
AND I GUESS MY QUESTION WOULD BE, HAVE YOU HAD WAS THAT INFORMATION DISSEMINATED TO YOU? YES. AND SPEAKING FOR MYSELF, I HAVE READ IT.
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SO IF YOU ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS WE WERE ASKED WAS ABOUT THE RAZOR WIRE.THERE WAS A RAZOR WIRE OR BARBED WIRE FENCE ON TOP OF THE FENCE AND COULD WE ELIMINATE THAT? AND THAT WAS ELIMINATED.
IF YOU LOOK IN WHAT IS EXHIBIT A TO THE LETTER, YOU WILL SEE THE CONSTRUCTION PLANS HAVE BEEN AMENDED SUCH THAT THE FENCE DETAIL.
IT'S NOW A REALLY TIGHT MESH FENCE, LIKE IT'S A ONE INCH MESH FENCE.
AND SO IT'S AN ANTI-CLIMB FENCE.
INSTEAD OF HAVING AN ANTI-CLIMB DEVICE ON TOP OF A STANDARD FENCE.
AND SO THAT WOULD ALSO OFFER ENHANCED SCREENING BECAUSE ANOTHER QUESTION WAS, WITH THE VEGETATION AND THE VEGETATIVE BUFFER, WE HAVE NOW ADDED A VEGETATIVE BUFFER.
WE GOT PERMISSION FROM CSX TO ADD THE VEGETATIVE BUFFER ALL THE WAY AROUND THE ENCLOSURE.
SO IT IS FULLY VEGETATED AND COMPLIANT WITH THE ORDINANCES.
THE OTHER QUESTIONS WE HAVE WAS CONCERNING THE GENERATOR.
AND SO RIGHT NOW, THERE IS NO GENERATOR PLANNED TO BE INSTALLED AT THIS SITE.
HOWEVER, IF A GENERATOR IS INSTALLED, WE HAVE PROVIDED THOSE SPECIFICATIONS TO THE COMMISSION.
IT WOULD BE A GENERIC ENCLOSED GENERATOR THAT HAS NOISE INSULATION AND THE SPECS FOR THE GENERATOR CALL FOR 71DB, WHICH I THINK IS ABOUT THE SOUND OF A HOUSEHOLD VACUUM CLEANER.
A DECIBEL SHEET FROM, I THINK, YALE THAT WE FOUND ONLINE THAT KIND OF REFERENCES WHAT DOES 71DB MEAN? THE NEXT QUESTION WE HAD AND A LOT OF CONCERNS WE HAD CONCERNED THE FALL ZONE AND THE CODES REQUIREMENT OR THE 200 FOOT SETBACK THAT IS SET FORTH.
AND WE WENT BACK TO THE ENGINEERS AND GOT THEM TO CERTIFY THAT THIS THING IS DESIGNED FOR AN ULTIMATE WIND SPEED OF 107 MILES AN HOUR OR 30 MILES AN HOUR PLUS AN INCH AND A HALF OF ICE.
SO, I MEAN, YOU'D HAVE TREES EVERYWHERE IF YOU HAD 107 MILES OF WIND IN DECATUR, GEORGIA, BECAUSE IT'S ALL IT'S A CAT TWO HURRICANE, WHICH IS NOT GOING TO REACH THIS FAR INLAND.
SO THAT'S WE AND THEN THE ENGINEER ALSO CERTIFIED, BUT THE MONOPOLE IS DESIGNED SO ANY FAILURE WOULD OCCUR BETWEEN THE SLIP JOINTS BETWEEN 50 AND 100FT.
SO EACH THIRD OF THE WAY UP, THERE'S A JOINT LIKE A SPECIFIED FAILURE POINT.
SO THE TOWER FOLDS ON ITSELF LIKE WE HAD TALKED ABOUT LAST TIME, BUT JUST WANTED TO PAPER THAT SO THAT WE HAD IT IN MORE PLAIN LANGUAGE FROM THE ENGINEER INSTEAD OF THE ENGINEER SPEAK THAT THEY HAD PROVIDED US LAST TIME.
SO WE JUST GOT THAT UPDATED LAST WEEK.
AND SO THEY HAVE CERTIFIED THAT IT WOULD, IF ANY FAILURE WOULD OCCUR NEAR THE SLIP JOINTS BETWEEN 50 AND 100FT AND THEN THE TOP PORTION OF THE MONOPOLE WOULD JUST FOLD ON ITSELF OR IT JUST KIND OF REMAINED STANDING IN A LEANED OVER, YOU KNOW, JUST GET IF IT DIDN'T COLLAPSE, IT JUST LEAN A LITTLE BIT.
AND SO THAT WAS EXPLAINED IN THE LETTER THAT WAS ALSO PROVIDED TO MS. THREADGILL. WE ALSO LOOKED AT THE THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT THE ANTENNAS AND HOW HARD THEY'RE LIKE ATTACHED AND THAT KIND OF THING. THAT'S A DESIGN FUNCTION THAT HAPPENS AFTER APPROVAL, BUT IT HAS TO BE DESIGNED TO THE SAME STANDARDS THAT THE TOWER WAS DESIGNED AND WE PROVIDED YOU WITH ALL THE ENGINEERING INFORMATION ON ANOTHER SAME SABER TOWER THAT THIS COMPANY DID, 150 FOOT MONOPOLE IN ANOTHER JURISDICTION.
I THINK IT WOULD HAPPEN TO BE IN TENNESSEE, BUT YOU HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION ON THAT.
SO IT WOULD BE DESIGNED SUCH THAT IT'S A CONTINUOUS UNIT.
AND IF YOU HAD OF THE KIND OF THE SAFETY STANDARDS AND THE FAILURE STANDARDS WOULD ALL BE DESIGNED FOR THIS 107 MILE AN HOUR WIND EVENT. IF IT EVER HAPPENED.
WE HAVE PROVIDED ALL OF THIS INFORMATION WITH MR. PHILIP MCGINNIS, WHO'S THE PRESIDENT OF THE WESTCHESTER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
AND I PROVIDED THIS INFORMATION TO MR. BOWES, WHO HAS THE HOUSE THAT'S NEAREST TO THE INFORMATION.
SO I DON'T WANT TO SPEAK TO THEIR BEHALF.
THE NEXT THING IN OUR LETTER HAD TO DO WITH VEGETATION.
AND SO WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT.
WE ADDED THE FULL VEGETATION PACKAGE AROUND THE ENTIRE TOWER.
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THERE WERE QUESTIONS ABOUT THE THE MONOPOLE AT PUBLIX.THAT TOWER IS PRIVATELY OWNED AND THERE'S NO PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INFORMATION.
SO THEY WANT TO MOVE OFF OF THAT SITE, WHICH WOULD MEAN THERE'D BE NO REASON FOR THAT TOWER TO CONTINUE TO EXIST IF THERE'S NO CELLULAR CUSTOMER WHO'S RENTING ON IT. SO WE UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO BE DECOMMISSIONED AND TAKEN DOWN IN THE NEXT TWO YEARS.
THEN THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT ALTERNATIVE SITES FOR MONOPOLE COMMUNICATIONS TOWER WITHIN THE RAILROAD CORRIDOR, AND WE HAVE PROVIDED YOU WITH OUR SITE STUDY.
SO WE WENT THROUGH AND HAD OUR RF ENGINEERS DESIGN A WELL THE RF WE DIDN'T TELL THEM WHAT TO DO.
THEY DESIGNED A STUDY AREA WITHIN I THINK IT'S A HALF MILE OR SO.
AND THEN WE WENT AND APPROACHED VARIOUS PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN THAT HALF MILE RING, MOST OF WHICH YOU'D SEE WERE CLOSER TO THE COMMERCIAL NODE TO THE NORTH OF THE SITE.
AND THEY EITHER DIDN'T RESPOND OR THEY TOLD US THAT THEY WERE NOT INTERESTED.
AND EVERYTHING SOUTH IN THAT SEARCH RING WOULD HAVE BEEN EVEN MORE RESIDENTIAL.
SO WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING WE COULD DO TO LOCATE IT TO THE NORTH.
I DO THINK ONE THING THAT WAS NOT ADDRESSED IN THE LETTER IS SOMEBODY HAD ASKED IF WE COULD MOVE THE COMPOUND, LIKE TO THE NORTH WITHIN THE CSX PROPERTY.
SO THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS CONSIDERED AND WE WERE NOT ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
WE ALSO, AT THE REQUEST OF MISS THREADGILL DID PHOTO SIMULATIONS.
SO WE HAD SOMEBODY GO OUT AND PARK A DRONE AT 150FT AND THE DRONE WAS VISIBLE.
AND SO WE HAVE PROVIDED A SERIES OF PHOTO SIMULATIONS.
AND WHILE THE ANTENNA IS VISIBLE FROM SEVERAL SPOTS, THE ANTENNA IS ALSO NOT VISIBLE FROM SEVERAL SPOTS JUST DUE TO THE TREE COVER AND THE CANOPY AND KIND OF THE TREE NATURE OF THIS PART OF THE CITY.
THERE ARE A LOT OF TREES AND THEY KIND OF INTERFERE WITH THE VISIBILITY OF A CELL TOWER.
IT'S ON THE EDGE OF THE CITY LIMITS.
SO WE'VE PUSHED IT OUT AS FAR AS WE CAN.
WE'VE PUSHED IT INTO ANOTHER INDUSTRIAL USE NEXT TO THE TRAIN TRACK AND HAVE TRIED TO KIND OF TUCK IT UP NEAR A COMMERCIAL AREA SO THAT IT'S ZONED WITH LIKE STUFF.
SO. I DON'T WANT TO BOMBARD Y'ALL WITH STUFF YOU'VE ALREADY READ, BUT IF YOU'VE GOT ANY QUESTIONS, IF THIS IS THE APPROPRIATE TIME, I'D BE HAPPY TO TAKE THOSE OR BE HAPPY TO SIT DOWN.
BUT I THINK I UNDERSTAND NOW THAT YOU'VE REMARKED ON IT.
IF THERE'S A PHOTOGRAPH WITH AN ARROW IN IT, THAT'S A VIEW FROM WHICH YOU CAN SEE THE BALLOON.
BUT IF IT DID NOT HAVE AN ARROW, YOU COULD NOT.
IS THAT CORRECT? THE ONE I HAVE ACTUALLY DEPICTS THE TOWER WITHOUT ARROWS. STAFF REPORT HAD THE ARROWS.
NO THAT'S FINE. SHOULD BE ASKING ANGELA THAT QUESTION.
I CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'D WANT THE ARROW.
SO YEAH, I DON'T, HAVE THE ARROW, I JUST HAVE THE ONES WHERE IT'S NOT VISIBLE.
I MIXED UP THE MATERIALS IN MY HEAD.
DID ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I'VE GOT A QUESTION.
WHY NO GENERATOR? WHY IS A CITY SWITCH NOT PLANNING? I MEAN, SO IT LOSES POWER.
THIS CELL NETWORK GOES DOWN, THIS PIECE OF THE CELL NETWORK WOULD GO DOWN.
SO, I MEAN, AND I HONESTLY CAN'T ANSWER THAT.
THE CSX EQUIPMENT DOES NOT NEED BACKUP POWER.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN TOLD THERE IS NO GENERATOR. I FIND THAT CURIOUS THAT THIS WOULD BE PROBABLY ONE OF THE FIRST CELL TOWERS I'VE EVER SEEN WITHOUT A GENERATOR SITTING THERE, SO. OKAY. YEAH.
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YOUR ENGINEER'S LETTER.THE ENGINEER IS FROM THE MANUFACTURER SABER.
BAUER. YES. IT'S NOT AN INDEPENDENT ANALYSIS.
IT'S FROM THE TOWER MANUFACTURER.
SO WOULD IT BE FAIR TO SAY THAT THE ENGINEER COULD ONLY ANALYZE THE PRODUCT THAT THE TOWER MANUFACTURER MAKES AND NOT THE FULLY ERECTED CONSTRUCTED POLE? BECAUSE THAT DEPENDS ON THE WORKMANSHIP WHEN IT'S INSTALLED? IN OTHER WORDS, THERE'S NO ANALYSIS OF FAILURE AT THE BASE OR THE FOUNDATION.
THIS ALL INCLUDES THE FOUNDATION AND THE BASE AND THE CELL TOWER.
THE TOWER COMPANY MAKES THESE.
AND SO THEY'RE GOING TO BE THE MOST RESPONSIBLE IF IT WERE TO COLLAPSE.
SO THERE, I WOULD SAY, KEENLY INVESTED IN MAKING SURE THEY GET IT RIGHT.
BUT IN THE LETTER I SEE A LOT OF LANGUAGE LIKE MOST LIKELY AND HIGHLY UNLIKELY.
ARE THERE ANY PERCENTAGES OR NUMERICAL RISK FACTORS ASSOCIATED WITH THAT LANGUAGE? I'VE PROVIDED YOU EVERYTHING THEY'VE PROVIDED ME.
OKAY. AND TO THE EXTENT THEY'VE TOLD ME ANYTHING, I THINK I MEAN, WHEN YOU START GETTING INTO STATISTICAL ANALYSIS AND ENGINEERING, IT GETS MORE CONFUSING THAN IT HELPS.
IN MY, TO ME BECAUSE I MEAN, THEY START GETTING INTO WEATHER EVENTS AND 3000 YEAR WEATHER EVENTS AND STUFF THAT IT WOULD TAKE A DEGREE IN STATISTICS TO UNDERSTAND.
SO THE STUDY WAS BASED ON POSSIBLE WEATHER EVENTS CALCULATED FOR THE LOCATION HERE IN THE ATLANTA, GEORGIA AREA AND NO OTHER POSSIBLE LOAD FACTORS.
PERHAPS I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING BESIDES WEATHER.
I SEE THIS IN PROXIMITY TO THE FREIGHT RAIL LINE.
THERE ARE ALWAYS POSSIBILITIES OF DERAILMENTS OR ACCIDENTS INVOLVING FLAMMABLE MATERIAL.
WHICH WOULD POSSIBLY IMPACT THE TOWER AND ITS ABILITY TO HOLD UP ITS STRUCTURAL INTEGRITY.
THERE'S NO FURTHER ANALYSIS OF HOW IT WOULD PERFORM IN THE SITUATION WHERE A FLAMMABLE LOAD COULD CATCH FIRE ON THE NEARBY RAIL LINE.
THE ANALYSIS WAS DONE FOR THE MOST PROBABLE EVENTS THAT WOULD BEFALL THE TOWER.
NO, I DON'T WANT TO CUT YOU OFF. YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND THE MONOPOLES.
THEY DO HAVE THE MOST PROBABLE FAILURE AT THE JOINTS.
AND IT'S BEEN DESCRIBED AS LIKE A BENT STRAW WHEN THEY FAIL TYPICALLY FROM A WIND EVENT.
THE LETTER MENTIONS THAT THE TWO LOCATIONS WHERE THE SLIP JOINTS ARE 50FT TO 100FT OFF THE GROUND.
THAT'S TWO DIFFERENT FAILURE LOCATIONS.
HOW CAN THIS LETTER SAY THAT IT IS MOST LIKELY FOR THE TOWER TO BE CONTAINED WITHIN THE 50 FOOT BY 60 FOOT COMPOUND? BECAUSE I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING AT ONE EXTREME EVENT IN ISOLATION WHERE YOU A REAL FAILURE WOULD HAPPEN.
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE TO EXAMINE.
I JUST WOULD SAY IT'S HIGHLY IMPROBABLE.
COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS REGARDING THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER.
LOOKING AT SHEET L ONE THAT THAT YOU PROVIDED, THE CITY REQUIREMENT IS THAT TEN FOOT BUFFER.
AND WHAT I'M SEEING IS A FIVE FOOT BUFFER SHOWN ON L ONE.
WITH A SINGLE ROW OF THE [INAUDIBLE] THIS.
THE [INAUDIBLE]. WELL, MY UNDERSTANDING IS WE PROVIDED THE MAXIMUM THAT WOULD FIT IN THE SPACE.
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OKAY. I THINK THAT MIGHT BE A NOTE.WE SHOULD. I'M NOT SURE YOU HAVE TREES WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THAT FENCE RIGHT NOW.
IS CITY SWITCH THE LANDOWNER IN THIS CASE.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CITIES WHICH WILL HAVE A LEASE WITH CSX.
AND SO WILL BE THE LANDOWNER IN THIS IN THE CONTEXT OF THAT NOTE.
THAT'S I MEAN, THIS WAS DESIGNED FOR CITY SWITCH WHICH SO THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING IS CITIES WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ALL THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT GET INSTALLED WITHIN THE LEASE, MAINTAINING THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER BE INCLUDED IN THAT FOREVER AND A DAY.
SO THAT THEIR TOWER CONTINUES TO BE COMPLIANT WITH YOUR ZONING ORDINANCES.
I HAVE A QUESTION RELATING TO THE PUBLIX TOWER FROM THE WORDING IN THE LETTER THAT YOU SUBMITTED.
OUR CLIENT WAS UNABLE WAS APPROACHED.
SORRY. HOLD ON. THERE WE GO WAS UNABLE TO SECURE A LEASE WITH A REASONABLE TERM ON THE PUBLIX SIDE.
DOES THAT MEAN THAT THEY WERE OFFERED A LEASE ON THE PUBLIX SITE? HOWEVER THEY DEEMED THE TERMS NOT TO BE REASONABLE? I THINK IT COULD BE READ THAT WAY.
IT'S ALSO A MUCH SHORTER TOWER.
AND IT ALSO ONLY HAS ONE POSITION WHERE THIS WOULD HAVE FOUR.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU.
IS THERE ANYONE PRESENT OR ONLINE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION? ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE, WE WILL MOVE TO THE OPPOSITION.
WHAT I WILL ASK IS THAT ANYONE HERE IN OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICATION LINE UP ON THAT SIDE OF THE ROOM ALONG THE WALL SO THAT WE CAN HAVE A SMOOTH TRANSITION FROM ONE SPEAKER TO THE NEXT? ALL RIGHT. WHEN YOU START YOUR REMARKS, PLEASE REMEMBER TO LET US KNOW YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS PHILIP MCGINNIS.
I'M ALSO THE CURRENT PRESIDENT OF THE WESTCHESTER NEIGHBORHOOD ASSOCIATION.
A LOT OF THE COMMENTS THAT I HAVE HERE TONIGHT YOU ALL HAVE ALREADY ADDRESSED.
I'M GOING TO KIND OF KEEP THIS BRIEF.
REGARDING THE 200 FOOT SETBACK.
I SUBMITTED THREE EXAMPLES OF TOWERS THAT HAVE FALLEN IN A LINEAR FASHION AS WELL.
AND ALL THREE OF THOSE HAVE HAPPENED SINCE SEPTEMBER OF 21.
ADDITIONALLY, IT'LL BE 68FT FROM 235 MAEDIRIS AND THAT WOULD BE A 66% REDUCTION IN THE SETBACK.
AND THAT'S THAT VARIANCE REQUEST IS EXCESSIVE AND SHOULD BE DENIED.
IF THIS WAS TO BE BUILT, IT WOULD BASICALLY EQUATE TO A 70% REDUCTION IN THAT BUFFER ALONE.
AND THEN THE QUESTION WAS ADDRESSED ABOUT THE FIVE FOOT LANDSCAPING.
THAT'S ONLY 50% OF WHAT WAS RECOMMENDED OR STATED AS A REQUIREMENT IN THE STAFF REPORT.
A GENERATOR HAS COME INTO THIS SITE.
THEY'VE GOT A FIVE BY FIVE PAD ON THEIR SITE PAD.
SO IT'S JUST A MATTER OF TIME WHEN THEY'RE GOING TO PUT IT IN.
A PRIME EXAMPLE OF THIS WOULD BE SUNRISE ASSISTED LIVING.
THEY DIDN'T PLAN ON PUTTING IN A GENERATOR, BUT THEN THEY LATER DID.
AND OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HAS SUFFERED FROM THAT.
SO WE WOULD HAVE TWO GENERATORS SANDWICHING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD REGARDLESS OF THE DECIBEL.
THE POSITIONING OF THEIR PLANNED BUILDINGS WOULD KIND OF CREATE A DIRECTIVE WHERE THAT SOUND WOULD REFLECT OFF THOSE BUILDINGS TOWARD THE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ON MAEDIRIS AND DOGWOOD.
REGARDING PUBLIX, I CALLED AND I SPOKE WITH THE OWNER OF THE EMORY COMMONS SHOPPING CENTER.
AND THERE'S CONTRADICTORY INFORMATION THAT I WAS TOLD FROM THEM.
I WAS TOLD THAT THE TOWER IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
IT'S AN ECONOMIC INTEGRAL PART OF THEIR CENTER AND THAT IT IS A LONG TERM LEASE.
NOW, THEY DO HAVE SUB TENANTS ON THERE WHICH WOULD BE DISH.
SO, YOU KNOW, THEY SAID THAT IT'S NOT GOING ANYWHERE.
THEY DO HAVE A LEASE ON THE ON THE TOWER EXISTING.
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GOT ONE MINUTE.OKAY. THANK YOU. AND THEN EARLIER, I PROPOSED AN ALTERNATE LOCATION NORTH IN DEKALB COUNTY.
BUT I'D LIKE THE PLANNING COMMISSION AND CITY OF DECATUR TO SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THE OLD DEKALB COUNTY WATER TOWER SITE AT EAST LAKE FOR A PROPOSED TOWER THERE THAT WOULD THAT WOULD EFFECTIVELY FILL THE LOW LYING AREAS OF PARKWOOD AND CHELSEA HEIGHTS, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE HAVE SAID THAT'S A DEAD ZONE.
THEY'RE NOT GETTING CELL SIGNAL IN THERE.
AND THEN FINALLY, I DID SUBMIT A PETITION WITH 230 SIGNATURES AGAINST THIS PROPOSAL, AND THAT WAS PRESENTED BY CREATED AND PRESENTED BY MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
GOOD JOB. I WAS ABOUT TO CALL TIME.
I'M THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY ON 235 MAEDIRIS DRIVE, WHICH IS THE CLOSEST PROPERTY TO THE PROPOSED SITE, AS YOU KNOW, AND THEREFORE THE MOST IMPACTED. I SPOKE AT THE LAST HEARING, SO I'LL KEEP MY COMMENTS BRIEF AND GO OVER SOMETHING THAT MR. MCGINNIS DID NOT COVER.
BUT I DID SPOKEN TO MY NEIGHBORS AND HAVE DONE EXTENSIVE RESEARCH ON THIS ISSUE.
THE CELL PHONE INDUSTRY CLAIMS THAT THE RF RADIATION EMITTED BY TOWERS ARE SAFE.
HOWEVER, THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION HAS CLASSIFIED RF AS A POSSIBLE HUMAN CARCINOGEN.
THE AMERICAN ACADEMY OF PEDIATRICS RECOMMENDS THAT CHILDREN'S RF EXPOSURE BE MINIMIZED.
DECATUR WILL BE OUR FOREVER HOME.
AND IT PAINS ME THAT TO THINK THAT I WILL BE PUTTING THEIR HEALTH IN DANGER.
HIGHLY IMPROBABLE IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME OR MY FAMILY.
AS I'M SURE IT WOULD NOT BE GOOD ENOUGH FOR YOU OR YOURS.
I URGE THE COMMISSION TO REJECT THIS PROPOSAL.
ESPECIALLY WHEN ALTERNATE LOCATIONS ARE POSSIBLE.
I LIVE AT 224 WESTCHESTER DRIVE IN DECATUR AND I AM VERY MUCH AGAINST THIS.
BUT THE STANDARD OF THE 200FT PROPERTY OWNERS DON'T GET TO IGNORE THAT.
IF THEIR LOT DOESN'T ACCOMMODATE THAT 200FT STANDARD.
IF THE PLANNING COMMISSION SUPPORTS SOMETHING LIKE THIS, THAT MEANS THAT YOU SET THAT PRECEDENT AND YOU ALLOW RAILROADS TO PUT UP TOWERS WHEREVER THEY ARE THROUGHOUT DECATUR WHICH I THINK IS A HORRIBLE PRECEDENT TO SET, ESPECIALLY IN THE CITY OF DECATUR.
AND I THINK PHILIP COVERED ABOUT EVERYTHING ELSE.
IT'S BASICALLY ELIMINATING THE WHOLE STANDARD ALTOGETHER, WHICH I DON'T THINK WE WANT TO DO.
GOOD EVENING. I'M ANTONIA ANTONELL.
I LIVE IN 213 WESTCHESTER DRIVE.
I'VE READ THROUGH THE MINUTES OF THE LAST MEETING AND ON THE SECOND PAGE, FIFTH PARAGRAPH.
MR. [INAUDIBLE], IN REBUTTAL, STATED THAT THE TOWER WILL HAVE NO RADIO WAVES EMITTED FROM IT.
WHICH LEADS ME TO ASK THE QUESTION, WHAT IS THE PURPOSE OF THIS TOWER IF IT'S NOT GOING TO BE A CELL TOWER? THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU CANNOT HAVE RADIO WAVES FOR WITHOUT A CELL TOWER.
SO, WITHOUT THIS CLARIFICATION MAKES NO SENSE TO HAVE THIS WHOLE STRUCTURE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I'M VERY MUCH OPPOSED TO IT.
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NEXT SPEAKER.I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT MUCH. I JUST WANTED TO.
HI, MY NAME IS DAN RICE. I'M AT ONE, TWO, FOUR DOGWOOD WAY, DECATUR, GEORGIA.
AND I WANTED JUST TO TOUCH ON WHAT MR. CHILIK MENTIONED, THAT ABOUT EXTREME EVENTS AND HIGHLY UNLIKELY THINGS.
YOU KNOW, WE HAVE THINGS LIKE HUNDRED YEAR FLOOD PLAINS, 500 YEAR FLOOD PLAINS FOR A REASON.
THE ENGINEERS USE THOSE TO DESIGN TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE NOT STRESSED BY THOSE EXTREME EVENTS.
IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THE ENGINEERS HERE THAT SUPPORT THE THEY WORK FOR THE TOWER COMPANY NECESSARILY COULD EVALUATE THOSE EXTREME EVENTS WITH AS MUCH INDEPENDENCE AS AN INDEPENDENT ENGINEER.
IT IT PROVIDES SO MUCH RECREATION FOR SO MANY CHILDREN.
ACTUALLY, THE PROPERTY OF THE Y IS ADJACENT TO WHERE THIS TOWER WOULD BE.
SO IN ADDITION TO, YOU KNOW, THE RADIO WAVES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, IT'S JUST A VISUAL EFFECT TO THAT WHOLE SORT OF WONDERFUL COMMUNITY OF, YOU KNOW, A PROGRAM THAT THAT THE Y OFFERS.
AND I SEE THAT AS SORT OF AN INTANGIBLE THING THAT WOULD ASK THE COMMISSION TO LOOK AT.
ALSO, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF THOSE HOUSES ARE, YOU KNOW, 1950S.
SO, YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A FAIRLY HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOOD THERE.
SO I WOULD ASK YOU TO LOOK IN ADDITION TO THESE TECHNICAL THINGS THAT JUST THE INTANGIBLE NATURE OF SOME OF THESE THINGS AND HOW WILL IMPACT THE CITY OF DECATUR AND ALL THE WONDERFUL BENEFITS THAT WE WE HAVE NOT ONLY IN THAT COMMUNITY, BUT IN THE ENTIRE CITY.
GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS JIM LUDLUM.
I'M THE OWNER AND RESIDENT AT 105 DOGWOOD WAY, WHICH IS ON THE CORNER OF MADEIRA AND DOGWOOD WAY.
I THINK MY HOUSE IS WHERE THE PARTICIPANTS BUTTON IS ON THE ZOOM.
SO, I THINK I MIGHT BE THE THIRD CLOSEST TO WHERE THIS TOWER IS GOING TO BE.
ONE ABOUT THE CHANGE TO THE FENCE DESIGN.
I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 20 YEARS AND THE END OF THAT STREET IS A LITTLE DARK.
I DON'T KNOW HOW FAMILIAR YOU ALL ARE WITH IT.
IT'S A LITTLE DARK. IT'S A DEAD END.
AND THERE'S THE RAILROAD TRACKS THERE AND THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AND BASICALLY IT'S A PLACE WHERE A LOT OF KIDS COME, SMOKE, DRINK, DO WHATEVER.
WE'VE HAD TO CALL THE POLICE A COUPLE TIMES.
I THINK THE FOLKS IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PROBABLY KNOW ABOUT THIS.
THAT HAPPENS USUALLY BY THE BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER, NOT DECATUR STUDENTS.
USUALLY IT'S DRUID HILL STUDENTS.
I WILL SAY THAT. BUT I WANT TO BE CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
SO WHATEVER KIND OF ANTI-CLIMBING FACILITIES, BUT WE WANT TO TAKE THAT IN MIND.
THEY DO REALLY WORK TO QUIET THE THE TRAINS THAT ROLL THROUGH.
AND I WILL SAY THIS, 4 OR 5 MONTHS OF THE YEAR, THEY DON'T WORK BECAUSE IT'S THE WINTER TIME.
CSX DOES SOME OF THAT THEMSELVES, BUT DURING THE SUMMER, THEY REALLY JUST LET IT GROW OVER.
SO, IT CAN BE VERY, VERY LOUD AT TIMES.
YOU HEAR THE TRAINS, YOU FEEL THE TRAINS MOVE.
SO JUST SO YOU KNOW, THE TAKING OUT A LOT OF TREES FOR THIS BUFFER, IT'S GOING TO AFFECT THINGS FROM THE RAILROAD'S PERSPECTIVE AS WELL AS THE SIGHT AND SOUND OF THE TOWER. ONE MINUTE CATASTROPHIC FAILURE.
THAT'S THE THING THAT KEEPS COMING TO MY MIND.
WE HAVE A 200 FOOT SETBACK FOR A REASON.
SAFETY. SAFETY OF PEOPLE'S FAMILIES.
SAFETY OF. I THINK THERE NEEDS TO BE A REALLY COMPELLING REASON TO ABROGATE THAT RIGHT THERE.
AND FROM THE MATERIALS THAT I'VE READ, THE.
YOU DON'T REALLY WANT TO JUST TRUST SOMEBODY ON THAT.
I THINK WE WE SHOULD STICK WITH THE 200 FOOT THING.
THAT'S A REASON. AND I'D EVEN ASK THE TENNESSEE EXAMPLE OF A MONOPOLE.
WHAT KIND OF SETBACK IS USED THERE? IS IT A STANDARD 200 FOOT ONE LIKE A LOT OF MUNICIPALITIES LIKE US USE, OR IS IT SOMETHING MUCH SMALLER? AND AND I WORRY ABOUT WORSE WEATHER COMING THROUGH.
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AND I DON'T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN ON OUR PROPERTY IN OUR TOWN.GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS KATIE ANDERSON AND I LIVE AT 413 WESTCHESTER DRIVE.
I'VE LIVED THERE FOR ABOUT 20 YEARS ALMOST.
AND I WAS WAITING TO HEAR IF THIS ONE LAST POINT WAS MENTIONED.
BUT I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THE THE TOPIC OF ESTHETICS OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
THE BALLOON TEST PROVED TO ALL THAT WENT AND SAW THAT THAT THE ENTRANCE POINT ON MADEIRAS DRIVE DRIVING STRAIGHT DOWN INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, THAT CELL TOWER WOULD BE VERY VISIBLE.
AND CURRENTLY IT'S A VERY BEAUTIFUL CANOPY OF TREES.
AND THAT CELL TOWER WOULD STICK UP ABOVE IT.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD LOVES ABOUT WHERE WE LIVE.
AND I JUST THINK THAT THIS IS AN UNSUITABLE SITE.
THERE ARE OTHER SITES THAT SHOULD BE EXPLORED.
THERE'S TOO MANY VARIANCES BEING REQUESTED FOR THIS SITE.
AND SO I URGE THE CITY OF DECATUR COMMISSION TO DISALLOW THIS THIS CELL TOWER FROM OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
NEXT SPEAKER. HELLO, MY NAME IS ANDRE ROEDERSTEIN OF 203 WESTCHESTER DRIVE.
MY HOUSE IS CLOSE TO A GENERATOR BUILT BY, OWNED BY SUNRISE.
AND RECENTLY THEY HAVE REMOVED SEVERAL TREES THAT WERE ACTING AS A KIND OF NOISE CANCELER.
AND THE DIFFERENCE IS VERY NOTICEABLE.
IF. A SECOND GENERATOR WAS ADDED AT THE CELL TOWER AND MORE TREES WERE REMOVED.
THANK YOU. MAY I? IF YOU MAY INDULGE ME.
ARE YOU YOUNGER THAN 18? YES. I WOULD LIKE TO COMMEND YOU ON YOUR PRESENTATION.
IT WAS SPECTACULAR AND WE VERY MUCH BENEFITED FROM YOUR POINT OF VIEW.
I LIVE AT 1027 CLAREMONT AND I'VE LIVED IN DECATUR FOR A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS.
AND ONE THING THAT REALLY DREW ME TO DECATUR WAS THE CHARM.
THE CHARM OF, YOU KNOW, THAT SPECIFIC AREA OF CLAREMONT.
THE HISTORICAL PIECE AND ONE THING THAT REALLY.
FRUSTRATES ME ABOUT THE PROPOSED SITE IS THAT WHEN I LOOK OUT MY FRONT DOOR, I'M GOING TO SEE THIS BEAUTIFUL CELL TOWER POPPING UP OVER THE TREES BECAUSE I'M RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE Y.
AND KNOWING HOW STRICT OUR OUR GUIDE GUIDELINES ARE FOR THE HISTORICAL OVERLAY AND THE IMPORTANCE OF THAT. THEY DIDN'T HAVE CELL TOWERS IN 1930.
THE GUIDELINES THAT WE'RE ASKED TO TAKE, IN EFFECT, WAS KEEPING IT ORIGINAL TO OUR HOUSES.
AND I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND THE.
THE ASK TO PUT THIS CELL TOWER RIGHT THERE WHERE EVERYBODY CAN SEE IT FROM A HISTORICAL DISTRICT WHEN THERE'S SO MANY OTHER LOCATIONS THAT IT COULD GO AND NOT NECESSARILY BE AN EYESORE FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WITH THAT, I ASK THAT YOU DENY THE REQUEST.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE PRESENT WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? I MEAN, DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE WHO'S INDICATED THEY WANTED TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? YES, WE HAVE TO.
CAROL MORGAN, IF YOU WOULD, UNMUTE YOURSELF.
WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS.
I LIVE AT 124 HAROLD BYRD DRIVE, AND I'VE LIVED IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD FOR OVER 40 YEARS.
SO I JUST WANT TO PROVIDE A LITTLE HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE.
THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS A HISTORY OF WORKING WITH DEVELOPERS.
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SCOTT ON CLAREMONT, JUST A FEW DOORS DOWN FROM SUNRISE, WE AGAIN WORKED WITH THE CITY, WORKED WITH THE DEVELOPER TO RESOLVE OUR DIFFERENCES AND TO FIGURE OUT WAYS TO MINIMIZE NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON OUR COMMUNITY.WE'VE ALSO WORKED WITH THE YMCA WHEN THEY WANTED TO EXPAND THEIR PARKING LOT AND WE WORKED WITH THEM AND RESOLVED OUR DIFFERENCES AND FIGURED OUT WAYS TO MINIMIZE NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO OUR COMMUNITY.
THIS IS A SITUATION WE CAN'T FIGURE OUT A WAY TO MINIMIZE NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO OUR COMMUNITY.
THIS IS NOT REASONABLE DEVELOPMENT.
THIS IS NOT AN APPROPRIATE OR SAFE ADDITION TO THIS COMMUNITY.
AND IT'S CLEAR CITY SWITCH HAS A PROBLEM.
IT'S NOT OUR PROBLEM, AND WE DON'T SEE A WAY TO FIX THEIR PROBLEM.
SO, I THINK WHAT I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO DO IS TO REJECT THIS APPLICATION.
THERE'S NOT A WAY TO FIX IT AND TO ACCOMMODATE THEM IN A SAFE WAY FOR US.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE YOU TO REJECT IT AND AND I THINK THERE ARE ALTERNATIVES.
MAYBE THEY'RE A LITTLE MORE EXPENSIVE.
LAURA SCARLATA IF YOU WOULD UNMUTE YOURSELF, WE'D LIKE TO HEAR YOUR COMMENTS.
I HAD TO DRIVE TO PICK UP KIDS.
THIS IS LAURA WILKINS, SCARLATA.
AND WE LIVE AT 119 DOGWOOD WAY.
AND I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT EVERYONE HAS MADE ALL OF THE POINTS THAT NEED TO BE SAID, EXCEPT ONE THING TO THINK ABOUT IS THAT ONE OF OUR BIG GOALS IN DECATUR AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY DOES MAKE IT GREAT IS THE FACT THAT WE TRY TO KEEP THE GREEN.
AND I SEE NEIGHBORS DOING THE SAME THING.
AND WE WANT TO KEEP THE LOOK OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I SAW THE BALLOON AND I SAW THE PICTURES THAT PHILIP TOOK.
SO, THANK YOU FOR HEARING US, BECAUSE THIS IS A SOLIDLY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS, AS CAROL NOTED, VERY BEEN VERY COOPERATIVE WITH EDGES, YOU KNOW, ACCOMMODATING THE Y AND AND WESTCHESTER ELEMENTARY.
AND WE'VE ONLY LIVED HERE ABOUT EIGHT YEARS.
BUT AND CONSISTENTLY WE'VE BEEN HELPFUL.
BUT THIS NEEDS TO BE IN A BUSINESS DISTRICT, NOT IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD.
EILEEN, IS THAT THE LAST PERSON ON THE LINE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? YES. FOR THIS PROJECT? YES. OKAY.
SO GIVEN THAT I WILL GIVE THE FLOOR BACK TO MR. CADLE FOR HIS OPPOSITION, HIS REBUTTAL.
A CITY WHICH HAS DONE THE BEST IT CAN TO DESIGN A MONOPOLE THAT IS THE MINIMUM HEIGHT THAT IS NEEDED IN ORDER TO SERVICE THE AREA THAT IT WILL BE DESIGNED ACCORDING TO FCC STANDARDS.
I'M NOT SURE IF I MISSPOKE OR SOMETHING, BUT IT IS DESIGNED TO HELP EVERYBODY WHO'S GOT A CELL PHONE IN THEIR POCKET SO THAT YOU HAVE CONTINUED CELL SERVICE AND TELECOMMUNICATIONS, ETCETERA.
AND WE'VE WE'VE DESIGNED THE BEST TOWER WE CAN.
AND WE ASKED YOU TO APPROVE IT.
WITH THAT, I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE BALLOON TEST.
HOW DID YOU GO ABOUT OR DO YOU KNOW HOW YOUR CONSULTANT WENT ABOUT CHOOSING THE SITES FROM WHICH THEY WOULD TAKE THE PHOTOS? BECAUSE IT SOUNDS I SAW THE PHOTOGRAPHS AND THE PHOTOGRAPHS DIDN'T LOOK THAT INTRUSIVE.
BUT WHAT I'M HEARING IS THERE MAY BE OTHER ANGLES THAT MIGHT BE.
WE HAVE A COMPANY THAT DOES THOSE THAT DID IT.
MS. THREADGILL WAS THERE, SO I WAS NOT THERE TO FIGURE OUT WHERE TO GO.
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I LOOKED AT THE ANGLES THAT WERE SELECTED AND THEY LOOKED TO BE A PRETTY REASONABLE.KIND OF GROUPING OF WHERE YOU MIGHT SEE THE TOWER FROM.
TO ME, I MEAN, YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T DO IT FROM EVERY VANTAGE, BUT THERE ARE 4 OR 5, I THINK DOWN ON WESTCHESTER, THERE WERE AT LEAST A COUPLE ON MADEIRA'S. THERE WERE THREE OVER ACROSS IN THE OTHER SUBDIVISION.
THERE WERE SOME LOOKING FROM THE COMMERCIAL AREA AND THEN SOME OF IT YOU WANT TO PICK SO THAT YOU CAN SEE THE TOWER AND SHOW WHAT THE TOWER WOULD ACTUALLY LOOK LIKE INSTEAD OF HAVING A BUNCH OF THEM WHERE YOU CAN'T SEE IT.
ANGELA, DID YOU? IT LOOKS LIKE YOU MIGHT HAVE HAD SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT.
YES. SO, IN THE PACKET THAT WAS SUBMITTED BY MR. CADLE, THAT INCLUDES A LETTER FROM MR. GOULD, WHO WAS THE DRONE OPERATOR.
AND SO YOU'LL SEE THE KIND OF SUGGESTED SITE PHOTOGRAPHY MAP AS PART OF THAT LETTER.
AND, YOU KNOW, AT LEAST TEN SITES WERE PICKED OUT.
MR. GOULD JUST BASED ON TOPOGRAPHICAL MAPS, YOU KNOW, THE RESIDENTIAL STREETS, YOU KNOW, NOT ONLY WITHIN THE CITY OF DECATUR, BUT ALSO DEKALB COUNTY, THE COMMERCIAL AREA TO THE NORTH.
SO IT WAS IT WAS HIS PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THESE ARE THE SITES THAT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM.
I THINK THERE WERE ACTUALLY MORE SITES THAT HE HAD SUGGESTED THAT.
PHOTOGRAPHS BE TAKEN OF THAT DAY THAT I WAS THERE? I THINK THERE WAS PROBABLY AT LEAST FIVE MORE SITES THAT HE HAD SUGGESTED THAT CITY WHICH TAKE PHOTOGRAPHS FROM.
I STAYED WITHIN THE AREAS OF THE CITY OF DECATUR.
THERE WAS A REPRESENTATIVE FROM CITY SWITCH WHO THEN NOT ONLY TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS FROM THE CITY OF DECATUR SIDE, BUT WENT TO NORTH DECATUR AND THEN INTO THE NEIGHBORHOODS TO THE WEST.
IT IS HELPFUL. I DID READ THIS LETTER, BUT I FORGOT ABOUT THAT PART OF IT AND I PULLED IT BACK UP.
MR.. GOULD SAYS AN ASSOCIATE DROVE AROUND THE SURROUNDING AREA OF EFFECT AND TOOK PHOTOGRAPHS FROM SEVERAL ADJOINING PROPERTIES AND OTHER POINTS OF POTENTIAL VISUAL IMPACT. WELL, THEN HE GOES ON TO SAY, I CREATED SIMULATIONS OF THE VANTAGE POINTS WHERE THE BALLOON WAS VISIBLE TO BETTER REPRESENT THE VISUAL IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED TOWER.
AND IN MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION, THESE PHOTOGRAPHS AND SIMULATIONS REFLECT TO A REASONABLE CERTAINTY THE ANTICIPATED PROJECTION OF THE HEIGHT AND APPEARANCE OF THE TOWER IF CONSTRUCTED AT THE MADEIRAS DRIVE SITE.
SO THAT'S THE ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.
UM. AND THEN ABOUT THE GENERATOR.
IS THERE ANY? I MEAN, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S NO COMMUNITY.
PARTICIPATION IN THAT PROCESS THAT'S JUST PERMITTING OR DOES THE STAFF HAVE ANY SAY IN THAT PROCESS? WELL, IF THIS DOES MOVE FORWARD AND I WOULD SUGGEST AND YOU ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS, I WOULD HIGHLY RECOMMEND THAT THERE BE A CONDITION PLACED WITHIN THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT THAT SPEAKS TO IF AND WHEN THE GENERATOR IS INSTALLED THAT IT BE TO THE SPECIFICATIONS THAT WERE PROVIDED TO YOU IN TONIGHT'S PACKET RELATED TO THE FACT THAT IT IS ENCLOSED, THAT IT DOESN'T EXCEED 71 DECIBELS.
YOU KNOW, BUT I KNOW THAT THAT'S PLAYING THE WHAT IF.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WOULD SUGGEST.
IF THIS IS WHERE THE CONVERSATION LEADS, LET THE CITY NOISE ORDINANCE IS 60DB AT THE PROPERTY LINE.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE ANY FOLLOW UP QUESTIONS FOR MR. CADLE? ALL RIGHT.
AND I THINK ONE COMMENT BROUGHT IT UP, YOU KNOW.
IF THAT WAS GRANTED, IT IS WITHIN A RAILROAD.
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SO WHAT? YOU KNOW WHAT MIGHT COME NEXT FOR THAT.AND THAT WASN'T MY ORIGINAL THOUGHT, BUT I THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD, GOOD COMMENT.
BUT I HAVE A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT THE PRECEDENT THAT THAT WOULD SET.
JASON. I'M STILL STUCK ON THE.
3.10 A FROM THE STAFF REPORT SAYS EVIDENCE MUST BE SUBMITTED AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION DEMONSTRATING THAT NO EXISTING TOWER CAN ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED ANTENNA. AND IT SOUNDS LIKE FROM WHAT THE APPLICANT TOLD US, THE PUBLIX FACILITY CAN HOLD, THE ANTENNA CAN.
THE ANTENNA CAN BE MOUNTED THERE, BUT THEY JUST DIDN'T LIKE THE TERMS THAT WERE PRESENTED TO THEM.
SOMEONE HAS, IN ADDITION TO ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT UP.
YEAH. NUMBER OF NUMBER OF CONCERNS.
FIRST AND FOREMOST IS THAT THE 200 FOOT SETBACK NOT COMPLIANT WITH THAT.
I MEAN, THE APPLICANT SAID THIS IS THE BEST THEY CAN DO.
AND IN MY OPINION, THIS THIS IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
I WOULDN'T WANT TO LIVE NEXT TO THIS.
YOU KNOW, THE RISK IS TOO HIGH.
YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE'S LIVES AND FIND ANOTHER SPOT.
THIS IS NOT THE RIGHT SPOT FOR THIS TOWER.
SO, THEN WE CAN SUBMIT A NEW APPLICATION, LIKE WE CAN HEAR ANOTHER APPLICATION ON ANOTHER LOCATION.
I DON'T SEE THAT AS A REASON THAT.
THIS TIME AS A PRO FOR THIS TOWER WHEN GREG BATTEN CLEAN UP.
IT COMES DOWN TO PROXIMITY TO THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
IF WE WERE ASKED TO JUST CONSIDER THE HEIGHT OF THE STRUCTURE AT 150FT IS THE VARIANCE, IT STILL SIGNIFICANTLY IMPACTS TO 35 SLIGHT IMPACT AT 231. AND ALSO THAT ZONE IS WITHIN THE PROPERTY OF THE YMCA.
THE THE I FIND THE ENGINEER'S LETTER INSUFFICIENT TO MOVE AWAY FROM THAT 150FT OR EVEN I MEAN WE COULD EVEN CONSIDER CERTAIN POSSIBILITIES LIKE HALF OF THE ELEVATION OF THE THE TOWER.
I KNOW THAT THE CITY OF HALEYVILLE ON ONE OF THEIR CITY PARKS, SO THEY WERE THE CITY OWNER.
THEY GAVE A VARIANCE TO A TOWER AND CONSIDERED THE FALL ZONE TO BE HALF OF THAT.
THE ENGINEER'S LETTER, YOU KNOW, THE GUTS OF IT, VERY TECHNICAL.
THE LETTER ITSELF IS NOT TECHNICAL AT ALL.
IT USES TERMS LIKE HIGHLY UNLIKELY, MOST UNLIKELY EFFECTIVELY RESULT.
IT DOES NOT CONVINCE ME THAT THE ONLY PLACE THAT PORTIONS OF THE STRUCTURE DURING A FAILURE EVENT WOULD FALL OR COME TO REST WOULD BE WITHIN THE 50 FOOT BY 60 FOOT COMPOUND THAT ONLY GIVES 25FT ON ONE SIDE.
WHERE? WE'RE BEING TOLD THAT EVERYTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITHIN THIS AREA.
IF THAT WAS THE CASE, THEN COMMUNITIES LIKE OURS WOULD NOT HAVE THESE SETBACK LIMITS EQUAL TO THE HEIGHT OF THE TOWER, 10% MORE THAN THE HEIGHT OF THE TOWER OR A MINIMUM OF 200FT.
SO I GO BACK TO THE TOWERS, 150FT, 150FT.
IF IT WAS TO SHEAR OFF AT THE BASE, WOULD IMPACT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES.
AND IN ONE OF THEM BECOME BE VERY, VERY CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE STRUCTURE THAT'S THERE AT 235.
I HAVEN'T HEARD THAT THE APPLICANT HAS APPROACHED THE IMPACTED PROPERTIES TO DISCUSS ANY MITIGATION, WHETHER THAT BE PURCHASING AN EASEMENT FOR THE PORTION OF THE LAND THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY BE IMPACTED. WE'RE JUST ASKED TO REDUCE THE SETBACK TO, I BELIEVE, 68FT, WHICH IS LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT OUR ORDINANCE STATES. I CAN'T SUPPORT THAT.
AND YOUR OPINION ON THE TECHNICAL MATERIALS IS BASED ON YOUR ENGINEERING BACKGROUND.
AS AN ENGINEERING GRADUATE OF GEORGIA TECH AND A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER, I AM A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND EVERYTHING WITHIN THE DOCUMENT IS DONE WELL AND PROFESSIONALLY.
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NO CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN MADE FOR UNUSUAL OR EXTREME WIND EVENTS.SO THIS IS VERY SPECIFIC JUST TO THE STRUCTURE OF THE POLE ITSELF.
DURING THE WIND EVENTS MODELED FOR OUR LOCATION WITH RISK FACTOR TWO.
OKAY. I DON'T DISPUTE THE CONCLUSIONS WITHIN THOSE BOUNDARIES.
SO, IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE IS AN APPETITE TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION, WHICH LEAVES US WITH A DECISION OF RECOMMENDING A DENIAL OF THE APPLICATION OR GRANTING ANOTHER DEFERRAL.
SO, GIVEN THOSE TWO OPTIONS, DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION? MAKE A MOTION TO DENY.
OKAY. WE HAVE A MOTION TO RECOMMEND DENIAL TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS ON THE MOTION? HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION SIGNIFY BY SAYING AYE? AYE. THE MOTION CARRIES UNANIMOUSLY.
[III.a. Footprint Properties LLC, applicant and property owner, has requested approval of a preliminary plat for a subdivision that would result in eight residential lots located at 258 Forkner Drive, Decatur GA.]
PROPERTIES LLC, WHICH IS ALSO THE PROPERTY OWNER WHO HAS REQUESTED APPROVAL OF A PRELIMINARY PLAT FOR A SUBDIVISION THAT WILL RESULT IN EIGHT RESIDENTIAL LOTS LOCATED AT 258 FAULKNER DRIVE, DECATUR, GEORGIA.PREVIOUSLY, WHEN THIS APPLICATION CAME, I RECUSED MYSELF.
IF I DO SO, WILL WE HAVE A QUORUM AND BE ABLE TO CONDUCT BUSINESS? I BELIEVE WE WOULD HAVE A QUORUM.
SURE. BECAUSE WE ONLY HAVE SIX NOW.
YEAH. AND SO WE WOULD STILL HAVE FOUR OUT OF SIX PRESENT.
I THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE FOR MY RECUSAL BASED ON MY RELATIONSHIP WITH THE APPLICANT.
OKAY. SO MR. CHILIK WILL BE RECUSING HIMSELF.
SO, HE WILL NOT PARTICIPATE IN THE DISCUSSION OF THIS APPLICATION.
SO WITH THAT, WE WILL GIVE YOU THE FLOOR.
MY NAME IS ERIC PAWLOWSKI AND I AM ONE OF THE OWNERS OF FOOTPRINT PROPERTIES.
WE ARE A LOCALLY CITY OF DECATUR REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT FIRM.
FOOTPRINT PROPERTIES. WE BASICALLY HAVE REQUESTED A SUBDIVISION OF APPROXIMATELY ONE ACRE ZONED TO THE 17 SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL LOCATED AT 258 FAULKNER DRIVE.
THE EXISTING LAND USE DESIGNATION IS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL, AND THE PROPERTY IS PRESENTLY DEVELOPED WITH A TWO STORY TEN UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING.
ADJACENT PROPERTY IS ZONED R 60 AND NEARBY PROPERTY IS ALSO ZONED IN THE RS 17 DESIGNATION.
WE ARE REQUESTING THE SUBDIVISION OF 258 FAULKNER DRIVE INTO EIGHT PARCELS.
ONE OF THOSE PARCELS WOULD BE FOR THE EXISTING TEN UNIT APARTMENT BUILDING.
UM. WE ARE CURRENTLY REDEVELOPING 258 FAULKNER DURING TWO PHASES.
SO, THE FIRST PHASE WAS THE REBUILD OF THE EXISTING APARTMENT BUILDING.
IT IS A 1010 UNIT WORKFORCE HOUSING UNIT AND THAT IS COMPLETE.
SO THIS APPLICATION FOR THE SUBDIVISION SORT OF COMBINES THE FIRST PHASE, WHICH IS COMPLETE WITH THE SECOND PHASE, WHICH IS THE SIX COTTAGE COURT UNITS. SO, THE SECOND PHASE WOULD BE THE INSTALLATION OF THE LAND DEVELOPMENT, ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SIX COTTAGE COURT FAMILY HOMES.
AND THAT INITIAL PROCESS HAS ALREADY BEGUN WITH THE PERMITTING.
IT WAS ACTUALLY DURING THIS PERMITTING PROCESS OF PHASE TWO WITH DISCUSSIONS OF CITY OF DECATUR THAT IT SORT OF BECAME DETERMINED THAT THE THE INTENT OF THE CODE FOR THE COTTAGE COURTS.
THE HOMES FOR THE COTTAGE CANNOT BE OWNED FEE SIMPLE.
AND BASICALLY SEPARATE LAND PARCELS FOR EACH COTTAGE COURT HOMES.
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HOWEVER IT WOULD BE, IT WOULD REQUIRE A SINGLE LOCK CONFIGURATION WHERE BASICALLY THE APARTMENT AND THE ENTIRE SIX UNITS WOULD ALL JUST BE ONE PARCEL.WE WOULD NOT NEED ANY SORT OF SUBDIVISION FOR THAT.
OUR LAST DEVELOPMENT BUILT IN THE CITY.
WAS A NINE UNIT, THE BUNGALOWS AT OAKHURST VILLAGE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF OAKHURST.
THEY WERE ALL UNDER THOSE THREE UNITS WERE UNDER 2000FT².
THE APARTMENT, AS I MENTIONED, CONSISTS OF TEN TWO BEDROOM UNITS.
THEY CURRENTLY RENT FOR BETWEEN 1750 AND 1800.
ALL TEN OF THOSE UNITS ARE BELOW.
AND MEET THE HUD'S 80% OF THE METRO ATLANTA AREA.
MEDIAN INCOME FOR THE MAXIMUM THRESHOLD OF $1,838 PER MONTH.
SO 110 OF THE UNITS, 100% ARE WORKFORCE HOUSING UNITS OF THOSE APARTMENTS.
THE SECOND PHASE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OF 258.
UM, A SINGLE PRIVATE MARKET DEVELOPMENT SUCH AS THIS, WITH 100% OF THE UNITS BEING IDENTIFIED AS THE MISSING MIDDLE IS REALLY UNPRECEDENTED IN THE CITY OF DECATUR. WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE SUCCESS OF THIS PROJECT AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO MORE PROJECTS IN THE FUTURE.
AND THAT'S ALL I HAVE. THANK YOU.
FOR YOU. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE I.
CAN YOU CLARIFY SOMETHING FOR ME? SO TYPICALLY WHEN I HEAR THE TERM MISSING MIDDLE, THAT'S REFERRING TO DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES, QUAD PLEXES BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO HERE.
SO CAN YOU JUST ELABORATE ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE? WELL, I THINK MY INTERPRETATION OF MISSING MIDDLE IS MORE OF A PRICE POINT, NOT NECESSARILY A HOME STYLE.
SO WORKFORCE HOUSING, THE APARTMENTS WOULD BE PART OF THAT MISSING MIDDLE.
AND THEN THE COTTAGE COURTS, A SMALLER HOME WOULD ALSO BE PART OF THAT.
OKAY. AND I UNDERSTAND WHAT HE'S SAYING BECAUSE I'VE MADE THAT DISTINCTION BEFORE.
JUST LIKE HE JUST SAID, WHEN DEVELOPERS LOOK AT IT, THEY'RE LOOKING AT THAT POINT IN BETWEEN AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT'S SUBSIDIZED AND LUXURY HOUSING THAT MAY BE OUT OF REACH FOR JUST THE REGULAR GUY ON THE STREET, WHERE, AS YOU SAID, JASON, IN PLANNING TERMS, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A DENSITY RANGE RATHER THAN PRICE POINT.
THERE'S A QUESTION. DOES YOUR PROPOSAL REQUIRE ANY VARIANCES? NO, IT DOES NOT. SO, YOU MEET ALL PARKING REQUIREMENTS? YOU MEET TREE CANOPY COVERAGE? THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. STORM WATER? YEAH, WE'VE ALREADY BEGUN THAT PROCESS AND WE'VE ALREADY BEEN THROUGH SEVERAL APPROVALS WITH THE CITY AND WITH THE COUNTY AS FAR AS WATER AND SEWER.
AND LIKE I SAID, THIS SORT OF CAME UP IN THE MIDDLE OF THAT DISCUSSION WHEN WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT THERE WERE DIFFERENT ISSUES THAT CAME UP WITH THE COUNTY, LIKE WATER WELL, ARE THE WATER METERS, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE ON EACH INDIVIDUAL LOT? AND THEN IT CAME UP. ARE THEY FEE SIMPLE OWNED OR HOW THEY'RE OWNED? AND SO, IT BECAME, OKAY, WE NEED TO DO THIS NOW, IF IF THIS IS REALLY THE INTENT OF HOW THE CITY WANTS THE CODE TO READ AND HOW THESE SHOULD SELL, THEN IT'S REALLY THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO TO DO THIS NOW.
AND JUST TO CLARIFY, IF YOU DID NOT DO IT THAT WAY, SO YOU WERE VIEWING THE SIX HOUSES AS MORE OF A CONDO AND THEN A SINGLE LOT YOU WOULD NOT NEED TO BE BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
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THE THE CONCEPT.NO, NO. THE CONCEPT WOULD BE THE WOULD BASICALLY BE THE SAME.
THE THE THE ONLY DIFFERENCE WOULD BE THE EFFECT ON THOSE SIX HOMES AND THEN THE EFFECT ON THE CITY AND HOW THAT IS MANAGED, WHETHER IT'S TAXES OR LIKE WATER OR DIFFERENT SORT OF HOW EACH INDIVIDUAL HOMEOWNER INTERPRETS OR INTERACTS WITH THE PUBLIC ENTITY.
ANYONE ELSE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THIS APPLICATION, EITHER IN PERSON OR ONLINE? THERE'S NO ONE ON LINE. ALL RIGHT.
HEARING NONE. IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION? AND I WOULD ASK US TO FOLLOW THE SAME PROCESS AS WE DID FOR THE LAST APPLICATION IN TERMS OF OPPOSITION SPEAKERS.
I'M ALSO THE PRESIDENT OF THE GLENN COURT HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION.
OKAY. SO I WON'T BELABOR ALL OF THOSE POINTS.
I THINK THINGS ARE MOVING IN THE RIGHT DOWN THE RIGHT PATH AND WE'RE NOT OPPOSED TO DEVELOPMENT.
THE BIGGEST PROBLEM WE HAVE IS THAT THERE'S BEEN ZERO COLLABORATION, ZERO ENGAGEMENT BETWEEN THE BUILDER AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD FROM ALL OF THE EXPERIENCES BEFORE. THERE'S NO MYSTERY THAT WE'RE ENGAGED, THAT WE'RE AVAILABLE, THAT WE WANT TO BE INVOLVED, AND THAT WE WANT TO WORK TOGETHER TO DEVELOP SOMETHING THAT MAKES SENSE FOR EVERYONE. IN TERMS OF GENERALLY WHAT'S THERE.
IT NEED TO UNDERSTAND KIND OF DIFFERENT IMPLICATIONS OF THINGS, SOME OF WHICH WE PUT TO THE CITY THAT HAVEN'T BEEN RESPONDED TO YET, NONE OF WHICH HAVE BEEN ENGAGED FROM THE BUILDER'S PERSPECTIVE.
SO OUR RECOMMENDATION AND OUR REQUEST IS THAT NO VOTE TAKE PLACE TODAY, THAT THIS GET DEFERRED INTO A TO A FUTURE MEETING SO THAT THERE CAN BE A MEETING BETWEEN THE BUILDER AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD TO DISCUSS THE POINTS THAT WE HAVE QUESTIONS WITH.
WE'VE ASKED THAT AT EVERY POINT.
IT'S ACTUALLY BEEN SUGGESTED BY YOUR COUNSEL BEFORE THAT THESE KINDS OF MEETINGS TAKE PLACE BEFORE THINGS COME THIS FAR, BUT IT NEVER SEEMS TO MANAGE TO HAPPEN.
SO, WE'D LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A STEP BACK AND TO ADDRESS, LIKE I SAID, REALLY FAIRLY NUANCED QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT THE PLAN IS, WHAT THE IMPLICATIONS ARE FOR US AND HOW WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO GO FORWARD TOGETHER.
I'M A REAL ESTATE BROKER, BUT I'M NOT A ENGINEER, A SITE PLAN ENGINEER.
SO SOME OF THE GRADING AND THE WATER MANAGEMENT IS BEYOND MY SCOPE OF KNOWLEDGE, BUT IT LOOKS TO MANAGE WATER RUNOFF FROM FRONT TO BACK, MUCH MORE SO THAN IT DOES FROM RIGHT TO LEFT, AND IT ACTUALLY SLOPES IN BOTH DIRECTIONS.
WHEN I PURCHASED 11 GLENCORE COURT, WHICH IS THE CLOSEST POINT TO LOT F THAT WOULD BE DEVELOPED IN THE NEW PLAN, IT WAS ESSENTIALLY A LAKE AND THERE WERE THINGS THAT WERE DONE TO KIND OF MITIGATE THAT ON OUR SIDE.
BUT IT DOESN'T NEITHER OUR LAND, OUR YARDS NOR OUR WATER MANAGEMENT ON THE GLENCORE SITE HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TAKE ON THE FLOW. RIGHT NOW, THE ENTIRE BACK TWO THIRDS OF THE LOT IS VEGETATION AND TREES AND THINGS THAT DRINK WATER.
AND THIS IS GOING TO CREATE OBVIOUSLY AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF STUFF THAT CREATES WATER RUNOFF.
SO, THERE'S A HUGE IMPLICATION THERE.
PARKING, I THINK, IS GOING TO BE A SIGNIFICANT ISSUE.
THERE'S ALREADY PARKING ON FAULKNER FROM THE APARTMENT COMPLEX.
WE'VE ASKED THE CITY BEFORE TO CONSIDER DOING A PARKING STUDY ON ON FAULKNER AS WELL AS CONSIDERING MAKING FAULKNER ONLY AVAILABLE TO PARK ON ONE SIDE OF THE STREET TO MITIGATE SOME OF THAT.
ONE OF THE THINGS THAT'S ALSO TRUE IN THIS PLAN IS, I THINK IN ORDER TO DEAL WITH THE PROXIMITY OF THE HOUSES, THERE ARE SPRINKLER SYSTEMS THAT ARE A PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT PROJECT IN ORDER TO MITIGATE FIRE ISSUES.
BUT THE DISTANCE AND IT'S NOT REFLECTED ON HERE, THIS IS ONE OF THE FRUSTRATING POINTS FOR ME IS YOU DON'T SEE ON OUR SIDE THE LEFT SIDE OF THE PLAN HOW CLOSE IT IS TO OUR HOUSES AND OUR STRUCTURES.
MY HOUSE DOES NOT HAVE SPRINKLERS.
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SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IMPLICATIONS THAT DOES OR DOESN'T HAVE FOR ME IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO PROTECT MYSELF FROM A FIRE.BUT THERE ARE LITTLE THINGS LIKE THAT THAT I THINK NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND WE NEED TO HAVE TIME TO WORK THROUGH TOGETHER AS OPPOSED TO JUST PUSHING IT THROUGH ALL AT THE LAST MINUTE. I DON'T KNOW WHY.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. NEXT SPEAKER, PLEASE.
I'M AT 3 GLENN COURT IN DECATUR.
AND I'VE ALWAYS WANTED TO USE THE WORD APHORISM IN A SETTING LIKE THIS.
SO MY APHORISM IS TRUST BUT VERIFY.
AND THE PROBLEM WE HAVE RIGHT NOW IS THAT THE RESERVOIR OF TRUST IS TRUST IS EMPTY.
TRUST IS ACCOMPLISHED BY COMMUNICATION, BY TRANSPARENCY AND COMPLETENESS OF INFORMATION.
AS RICHARD POINTED OUT, WE'VE HAD NO COMMUNICATION WITH THE DEVELOPER AT THIS JUNCTURE AT ALL.
SO, I DON'T KNOW WHAT I DON'T KNOW.
I'M GOING TO OBJECT TO THE THINGS THAT I DO KNOW.
IT WILL BE A BURDEN ON TRAFFIC.
THERE'S 19 OR 16 SPOTS FOR 16 HOUSES, 11 SPOTS.
WE OBVIOUSLY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WATER TREE CANOPY AND BASICALLY IT'S THE INFORMATION THING WE HAVE.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'LL LOOK LIKE.
WE DON'T KNOW THE TRUE HEIGHT.
WE KNOW THAT A 35 FOOT MAXIMUM.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHT IS.
SO, WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY DETAILED DRAWINGS.
THE THINGS THAT WERE OBJECTING TO WERE OBJECTING IN THE DARK.
WE WOULD ASK AND I WOULD REITERATE AND SECOND RICHARD'S COMMENT THAT THE ORDINANCE DRAFT ORDINANCE, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS VERY PRESUMPTIVE TO BE INCLUDED AT THIS POINT, AT THIS JUNCTURE, IT'S OFFENSIVE TO ME BE VOTED DOWN.
WE HAVEN'T BEEN COMMUNICATED WITH.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
YOU'RE WELCOME. AND BEFORE YOU GO, I JUST WANTED TO EXPLAIN A PART OF THE REVIEW PROCESS FOR EVERY APPLICATION THAT COMES BEFORE US THAT GOES ON TO THE CITY COMMISSION OR, YOU KNOW, INVOLVES AN ORDINANCE THAT HAS TO BE ADOPTED.
THE STAFF PREPARES A DRAFT ORDINANCE FOR US TO USE SO THAT WE IF WE CHOOSE TO APPROVE IT, WE DON'T HAVE TO FUMBLE AROUND AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO DISPOSE OF THAT APPLICATION.
SO, THEY'VE GOT THE TEMPLATE WAS NOT DRAFTED BY THE DEVELOPER? NO, THAT WAS THAT WAS DONE BY OUR INTERNAL STAFF THEN.
I JUST DIDN'T WANT YOU TO THINK THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED THAT HADN'T HAPPENED.
I LIVE AT NINE GLEN COURT, AND I REALIZE THAT BOTH SIDES HAVE BEEN IN FRONT OF THE COMMISSION SEVERAL TIMES NOW, AND YOU'VE HEARD PRETTY MUCH ALL OF THIS.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO RESTATE THAT THE POINT THAT THE APARTMENT COMPLEX THAT IS IN THE FRONT OF THIS PROPERTY, WE SHOULDN'T GIVE TOO MUCH CREDIT FOR THAT SINCE IT WAS BUILT IN 1950 AND THE FIRST AT LEAST THE FIRST COUPLE OF VERSIONS OF THIS PROJECT, HAD IT BEEN DEMOLISHED.
BUT THE COMMISSION, IN ITS WISDOM, DID NOT APPROVE THOSE, AND SO IT WAS NOT DEMOLISHED.
AND IT IS DEFINITELY AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S STILL THERE.
OUR OUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS HERE IN FORCE.
WE'VE REALLY NOT HAD A GREAT ABILITY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON AND TO COMMUNICATE.
THE THE COMMUNICATION WE'VE HAD IS MORE ALONG THE LINES OF EVASIVE THAN ANYTHING ELSE.
AND SO THAT'S WHY WE ARE NOT IN A POSITION TO.
WE WOULD ASK THAT THE COMMISSION MAKE SURE TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU CAN, ALL OF THE T'S ARE CROSSED AND THE I'S ARE DOTTED AND DON'T TAKE THINGS AT FACE VALUE, BECAUSE THAT'S JUST NOT BEEN OUR EXPERIENCE THAT THAT WORKS OUT.
HELLO, MY NAME IS MARK ARNOLD.
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MAKE ON THE PROPOSED PROJECT.ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PLOT THAT YOU CAN'T THERE'S NOTHING THERE.
BUT THAT'S MY HOME AT THE END.
AND WE'VE ALL AND HAVE MADE INVESTMENTS TO MITIGATE THAT.
SO, YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T SEEN ANYTHING IN THE IN THE PLAN.
AND GIVEN THE THE THE SORT OF STEEPNESS FROM THE MID TO THE BACK WHERE I AM, I DON'T THINK EXISTING STORMWATER OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT I HAVE INVESTED IN WOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE THAT.
THE OTHER CONCERN IS JUST GENERAL PUBLIC NUISANCE FROM PARKING.
SO I THINK STARTED BACK IN 2019.
IN THE MORNINGS WHEN I'M ON MY WAY TO THE OFFICE, I STOP AND I TAKE TWO PICTURES, ONE ON FAULKNER FACING SYCAMORE, SO I CAN SEE WHAT THE TRAFFIC IS OR THE PARKING ON STREET AND ONE ON FAULKNER FACING CHURCH.
AND IT'S JUST A PICTURE IS WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS.
AND ESPECIALLY IF YOU LOOK AT THE PICTURES I HAVE ON I'VE TAKEN ON WEEKENDS.
RIGHT. SO HAPPY TO SHARE THOSE.
BUT IT'S CLEAR THAT THE PARKING ISSUE WOULD BE A GREAT PUBLIC NUISANCE.
BECAUSE AT ONE END, WHERE YOU HAVE MOWED THAT AT THE INTERSECTION OF FAULKNER AND GLENDALE, IF YOU'RE THERE ON THE WEEKEND, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING.
SO VISITORS TO THAT FACILITY, THEY PARK ON BOTH SIDES.
AND, YOU KNOW, THE CONCERN WOULD BE.
WITH ANOTHER SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT.
AT THE OTHER END, YOU EFFECTIVELY CLOSE OFF THE STREET.
THANK YOU. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I'M CAROL HARVEY. I LIVE AT 9 GLEN COURT.
I JUST HAVE A FEW THINGS TO SAY.
THAT WAS MY HUSBAND WHO DID BEFORE, MARK, WHO DID A GREAT JOB.
AND I WORK AS A CLINICAL ETHICIST AND AN ETHICS, JUST LIKE YOU HAVE BEEN TRAINED TO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE ETHICAL DECISION TO BE MADE IN ANY SORT OF CONFLICT OR A DECISION THAT'S DIFFICULT.
AND I HAD TO THINK OF THAT IN LOOKING AT WHAT'S MISSING OR WHAT'S THE CHALLENGE OF THIS PLAN.
YOU'VE HEARD I WILL NOT REPEAT WHAT'S BEEN SAID, BUT LET ME ADD A FEW THINGS THAT OF OUR CONCERN.
WHAT IS THE BENEFIT OF THIS PROPERTY TO OUR COMMUNITY? WHAT IS THE BURDEN OF THIS PROPERTY? WE DO THE SAME THING IN HEALTH CARE.
I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE THAT THE MISSING MIDDLE INITIATIVES ACROSS THE COUNTRY HAVE HAD MIXED RESULTS AND THERE HAVE BEEN SOME EXCELLENT, EVEN RECENTLY IN THE LAST YEAR IN THE WASHINGTON POST, EXCELLENT ARTICLES WITH ADVICE TO PLANNING AND NEIGHBORHOODS AND COMMUNITIES AS A WHOLE.
THESE PEOPLE BEHIND ME ARE MY COMMUNITY.
WE ARE ON THIS ON SEVEN SMALL HOUSES.
WE REPRESENT A LOT OF OUR GREATER NEIGHBORHOOD.
SO WHAT WE WANT TO BE SURE HERE IS THAT THE THE BENEFIT TO US AND TO THE GREATER CITY CERTAINLY OUTWEIGHS THE BURDEN OF TRAFFIC SAFETY. THE WHOLE FIRE SAFETY, LOOKING AT PUTTING SPRINKLERS IN LOWER END HOUSING HOMES AND THOSE RISK LOOKING AT SPRINKLER SYSTEMS WORK, BUT NOT IF THEY HAVE TO BE REPAIRED.
LOOKING AT THE DENSITY OF THIS HOUSING AND THE SIZE OF THESE HOUSES, WE I HOPE THAT IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A TEMPLATE FOR HOUSING THAT GOES INTO BACKYARDS, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THIS TO BE A MODEL TO GO IN EACH OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AS THE CHALLENGE TO ALL OF US FOR MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING TO MEET A CITY GOAL. LET'S BE SURE THAT IT'S THE RIGHT SIZE.
THESE HOUSES NEED TO BE SMALL AND WE HAVEN'T SEEN ANY.
WE ONLY SEE PLOT SIZES, NOT THE HOUSING SIZE.
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AS MAXIMUM.THE OTHER THINGS THAT THAT THAT REALLY DISTURB US, THE WATER IS HUGE.
THIS IS AN UNUSUAL LOT WITH ITS CHANGE IN ELEVATION AND HE COULD NOT COME UP WITH AN AFFORDABLE SOLUTION AT THAT TIME TO THE WATER DRAINAGE PROBLEM THAT WAS WAY BACK AND THEN THE MINUTE.
THANK YOU. THE TREE CANOPY, THE LOSS OF THE MAMMALS AND THE BIRDS THAT LIVE IN THOSE TREES.
AND LASTLY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO REALLY IF THIS IS GOING TO BE A COMMITMENT AND WE'RE GOING TO GET REALLY THINK OF THE BENEFIT THAT I WANT TO BE SURE THAT WE WE PROTECT THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BUYING THESE HOMES AND YOU'LL PROTECT THE NEIGHBORHOODS AROUND IT, THAT THESE HOMES CANNOT BE USED FOR AIRBNBS.
THEY WOULD BE FABULOUS AS AIRBNBS, BUT THAT WOULD REALLY BE A DEATH KNELL TO THE PROPERTIES AROUND IT THAT THERE CANNOT BE QUALIFIED FOR SHORT TERM HOUSING EITHER FOR 20 OR 50 OR 100 YEARS.
THAT SHOULD PROBABLY ALSO GO FOR THE IF THOSE APARTMENTS ARE TURNED INTO CONDOS.
WITH THAT, I'LL STOP AND THANK YOU AND JUST REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THAT YOU DO FOR OUR COMMUNITY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK AND SERVICE.
YES, MA'AM. GOOD TIME FOR ME? YES. OKAY.
I HAVE THE EXACT SIZE PROPERTY.
I HAVE ONE HOUSE AND A COTTAGE.
SORRY ABOUT THAT. I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH COTTAGE COURTS.
I DESIGNED AND PROPOSED ONE TO THE CITY SIX YEARS AGO.
FIVE YEARS AGO. I WORKED WITH WITH ANGELA.
BUT ALL OTHER CONDITIONS WERE MET.
SO AT THAT TIME IT GOT A LITTLE IT GOT BUSY NEXT DOOR.
WE STARTED TRYING TO FIGHT THE 1540 STORY BUILDING BUILDINGS SO THAT WHAT HAPPENED.
AND THEN A HISTORY OF NICK STORE ON THE OTHER SIDE WHICH IS MY FINE NEIGHBORS THAT ARE NICE.
WE WERE THERE. WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR 26 YEARS.
THAT WAS ONE HOUSE IN A FIELD OR A BUNCH OF TREES.
THE DEVELOPER WHO I THINK WAS RELATED TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR THE WHATEVER.
WHATEVER THE REASON, HE GOT PERMISSION TO BUILD THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD.
OKAY. THE HOUSES ARE BEAUTIFUL.
PEOPLE ARE WONDERFUL, BUT THERE'S NO LOT LINES.
THEY DID NOT FOLLOW THE LOT LINES.
THE BACK OF THEIR HOUSES ARE WITHIN FIVE FEET OF THE LOT.
LINES IN SOME PLACES, YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHERE IT IS.
SO THEY GOT THEY BOUGHT HOUSES THAT WERE WITHIN THE SETBACK.
IT'S TIGHT BACK THERE, BUT THEY HAVE BEAUTIFUL, HUGE HOMES.
I'M HERE. I NEVER TALKED TO THIS GUY.
WE DON'T GET ALONG. SO I DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THIS, BUT I REVIEWED THE PLANS.
I HAVE A BACKGROUND IN REVIEWING PLANS.
I DO IT FOR CITIES AND COUNTIES.
I REVIEW PLANS, STORMWATER BUFFERS, SETBACKS, THE WHOLE BIT.
I READ THIS PLAN AND ACTUALLY I LIKED IT.
I LIKED IT. IF HE FOLLOWS ALL THE RULES BECAUSE HE AND I TALKED ABOUT COTTAGE COURTS YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS TRYING TO GET HIM TO DO A COTTAGE COURT INSTEAD OF THOSE 40 FOOT TALL, 15 TOWNHOMES THAT WERE GOING TO LOOK EXACTLY LIKE MODA.
SO ANYWAY, HE'S BACK WITH THIS.
I THINK IT MEETS THE CITY'S REQUIREMENTS AS LONG AS ALL THE SETBACKS ARE MET.
ALL THE SIZES PROPOSED ARE 1500 SQUARE FEET OR LESS RIGHT FOR THE HOUSES.
ISN'T THAT RIGHT? WELL, HOLD ON.
IS THAT CORRECT? THESE WHY DON'T WE FINISH UP AND THEN WE'LL.
BUT I WOULD OBJECT IF IT WAS BIGGER THAN 1500 OR CLOSE TO IT.
ONE MINUTE IS I THINK IT'S A GOOD ONE AS LONG AS THE FIRE CHIEF AGREES.
AND I'M GOING TO FOLLOW EXACTLY WHAT HE DID, IF NOT BETTER, BECAUSE I'M A STORMWATER SCIENTIST, SO MINE'S GOING TO BE ALL GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE AND FLOWERS AND GARDENS AND IT'S GOING TO BE GORGEOUS AND IT'S NOT GOING TO BE SMALL LITTLE HOUSES, IT'S GOING TO BE COMMUNITY AND HIS NEEDS TO BE THE SAME.
NOT HUGE, NOT PUSHING EVERY ENVELOPE WHERE HE CAN BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE'LL DO.
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MAKE HIM STAY IN THE RULES, MAKE HIM BE NICE, GIVE SOME DISTANCE AS MUCH AS YOU CAN BETWEEN THEM, BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY RIGHT ON THE LINE.AND THEN I SAY GO FOR IT AND BE A MODEL.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO ELSE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK EITHER IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION? ALL RIGHT, THEN I WILL OPEN THE FLOOR FOR REBUTTAL.
I MIGHT AS WELL JUST GO THROUGH THE LIST.
THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED.
WE DID DECIDE TO KEEP THE APARTMENT.
WE COULD HAVE TORN IT DOWN AND DONE THE WHOLE THING.
COTTAGE COURT. BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN IT WOULD HAVE MADE A LOT MORE MONEY.
I MEAN, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, COTTAGE COURTS, YOU CAN MAKE MORE ON COTTAGE COURTS THAN YOU CAN WITH A 1950 APARTMENT BUILDING THAT COSTS A TON TO RENOVATE. AND THE REALITY IS THAT THEY'RE NOT GOING TO RENT FOR THE NEW APARTMENT BUILDING THAT'S BEING BUILT DOWNTOWN OR OVER ON, YOU KNOW, COLLEGE STATION.
SO WE DID WE WE CHOSE IT WAS IT WAS THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
YEAH. WE HAD LOOKED AT OTHER PLANS.
WE HAD GONE THROUGH DIFFERENT SCENARIOS.
BUT WE DID. WE DECIDED TO KEEP THE APARTMENT BUILDING.
THE REALITY IS WE DID MEET WITH THESE INDIVIDUALS FOR THE OTHER PROJECTS.
SO, WE DID ADDRESS IN THIS PROPOSAL A LOT OF THE THINGS THAT THEY CAME UP WITH.
AS FAR AS THE THINGS THAT THEY WANT.
AND AS FAR AS PARKING CONCERNED, THE INDIVIDUAL TALKED ABOUT A 2019.
GUESS WHAT? WE DIDN'T EXIST. IN 2019.
THAT APARTMENT BUILDING WAS UNDER CONSTRUCTION.
IT WAS EMPTY. SO, IF THERE WAS PARKING THERE.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S NOT ME PUTTING TENANTS.
AND IN FACT, IT'S MY TENANTS THAT ARE PARKING NOT ON THE STREET.
THEY'RE PARKING IN THE PARKING LOT.
SO THAT'S NOT AN ISSUE THAT I CAN ADDRESS.
AND THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I CAN'T ADDRESS ISSUES WITH NEIGHBORS THAT DON'T RELATE TO ME.
AND THAT, TO ME, PROVES EXACTLY MY POINT.
THERE WAS NO ONE IN FAULKNER TO 58.
MARCH OF 2022 WE HAD OUR FIRST TENANTS.
IF WE CONTINUE DOWN THE SORT OF THE LIST.
WATER WE HAVE, THERE IS CURRENTLY NO STORMWATER CONTROL ON THE SITE.
AND WE HAVE GONE THROUGH IT WITH OUR ENGINEERS, WITH THE CITY ENGINEERS, AND WE WILL HAVE.
EVERYTHING THAT'S REQUIRED AND BEYOND.
THAT'S WE'VE DONE EVERYTHING THAT WE CAN, EVERYTHING THAT IS REQUIRED OF US.
AND IT'S A FIRST, ITS ABILITY AND I THINK I'M GOING TO GET THIS CORRECT.
BUT IT'S THE FIRST POLE LINE THAT THEY NEED.
IT'S NOT ACTUALLY A SPECIFIC REQUIREMENT.
IT'S A REQUEST OF THE FIRE MARSHAL.
SO SHE WANTS A IF A HOME IS LESS THAN A CERTAIN IF IT'S MORE THAN A CERTAIN AMOUNT FROM THE FIRE HYDRANT, SHE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO. NORMALLY, SHE PULLS UP, SHE HOOKS UP, AND THEN SHE FIGHTS THE FIRE.
IN THE CASES WHERE THEY'RE FURTHER AWAY, SHE HAS TO SHE CAN'T REACH IT FROM THE FIRE TRUCK.
SHE HAS TO REACH IT FROM THE HYDRANT.
SO THIS PROVIDES THAT FIRST FIGHT FOR HER.
AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S NOT A DEMAND.
IT'S A SIMPLE REQUEST THAT ALLOWS HER THE ABILITY TO FOR THOSE THREE HOUSES AT THE END, THAT THERE IS SOME FIRST FIGHT PROVIDED BY THOSE SPRINKLERS.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE DISTANCE BETWEEN THE HOMES.
IT'S SIMPLY A RELATIONSHIP TO THE THE HYDRANT AND HER DESIRE FOR FOR A FIRST FIGHT.
I KNOW WE'VE GONE THROUGH THIS AND I'VE TALKED A LOT WITH THESE NEIGHBORS AS FAR AS TREE CANOPY.
AND WE'VE WE'VE MET WITH THE CITY ARBORIST.
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OR WE'RE IN THE PROCESS OF IT BEING APPROVED.I THINK THAT'S IT. THAT'S ALL THAT I HAD ON MY LIST.
ALL RIGHT. DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS BEFORE WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT? I'VE GOT A QUESTION REGARDING STORMWATER AND I SAW THAT YOU GOT THE STORM WATER SYSTEM THAT'S UNDERGROUND.
THE CITY REQUIREMENT FOR A SUBDIVISION LIKE THIS IS.
90%. NO, YOU ATTENUATE STORMWATER RUNOFF TO A LEVEL 90% OF WHAT WOULD BE GENERATED FROM THE SITE IN ITS NATURAL, UNDEVELOPED STATE FOR ALL STORMS FROM TWO, FIVE, TEN, 25, 50 AND 100 YEAR.
THE UNDISTURBED SITE IS NO DEVELOPMENT WHATSOEVER, SO IT'S 90% OF A VEGETATED WOODLAND SITE.
DO YOU HAVE THOSE CALCULATIONS FROM YOUR CIVIL ENGINEER ON HOW THEY SIZE THE STORM SYSTEM? STORM CENTER SYSTEM, YEAH.
AND THAT WAS ALL SUBMITTED WITH THE THE APPLICATION.
AND THERE WAS AN ACTUAL STORM WATER CALCULATION CALCULATION THAT WAS CFS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF.
YEAH. AND I DID NOT INCLUDE THAT.
I DID NOT INCLUDE THAT LEVEL OF TECHNICAL ANALYSIS FOR Y'ALL.
BUT WE ARE IN RECEIPT AND IT MEETS, IT MEETS THAT 90% OF AN UNDISTURBED.
UNDEVELOPED STATE IS CLEARLY WHAT IT SAYS, NATURAL, UNDEVELOPED STATE.
THOSE ARE THE EXACT, AS FAR AS I KNOW, BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN MULTIPLE BIG SYSTEM.
I APPLAUD YOU FOR PUTTING IT IN.
AND IT ALSO INFILTRATES VERSUS JUST DETAINS.
YEAH, I MEAN WE HAVE THAT HAS NOT COME UP FROM THE CITY ENGINEER FROM AS FAR AS IT LACKS IN THE REQUIREMENTS OR IT DIDN'T MEET THE NEEDS OF WHAT HE WAS REQUESTED OR THE NEEDS OF THE CODE.
SO. I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW THE SPECIFICS AS FAR AS BUT I KNOW THAT WE HAVE HAD MANY MEETINGS AND I KNOW THAT THE DRAWINGS HAVE GONE BACK AND FORTH.
SO IT HAS BEEN SUBMITTED SEVERAL TIMES.
AND I KNOW A STORM WATER ANALYSIS HAS AN OFFICIAL STUDY HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND IT HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND THEN WE HAVE GONE BACK AND CLARIFIED SOME THINGS AND IT HAS GONE BACK TO HIM. AND I TOOK THE LIBERTY OVER THE WEEKEND TO WALK, WALK THE SITE AND I DIDN'T NOTICE HOW THE AS THE THE NEIGHBORS HAVE POINTED OUT, THE LAND DROPS, YOU KNOW, SORT OF CRESTS AND THEN DROPS DOWN.
AND LOOKING AT THE STORM WATER DESIGN, IT LOOKS, AS BEST I CAN TELL, ON THE PLANS.
SO THE GUTTERS WERE PIPED INTO THE STORM THAT IS STORM.
THAT'S CORRECT. UM, AND I HAVE A QUESTION.
DOES ANYONE ELSE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR MR. PULASKI? ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. GO AHEAD.
CAN YOU EXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL THE CURRENT PARKING SITUATION, IT SEEMS LIKE FROM I ACTUALLY VISITED THE SITE AND IT APPEARS THAT LIKE MOST OF THE SPACES ARE DESIGNATED FOR THE APARTMENTS.
BUT THEN QUITE A FEW PEOPLE SEEM TO PARK IN WHAT'S DESIGNATED TO BE LIKE THE GUEST PARKING.
WHAT EACH UNIT HAS ONE SPOT THAT'S DESIGNATED FOR THEM SPECIFICALLY AND TO CLARIFY EACH UNIT.
AND A COUPLE THREE BEDROOMS, IS THAT CORRECT? NO, THEY'RE ALL TWO BEDROOMS. THEY'RE ALL EXACTLY THE SAME.
OKAY. SORRY. I THOUGHT I SAID THREE BEDROOMS. OKAY. NO, THEY'RE ALL TWO BED - THEY'RE EXACTLY THE SAME.
ALL TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH UNITS.
IF WELL, ON THE FRONT OF THE APARTMENT BUILDING.
EACH UNIT HAS ONE SPOT DESIGNATED FOR THEM.
THERE ARE ALSO GUEST SPOTS INTERMIXED WITHIN THOSE PARKING AND THEN AT THE BACK.
WE SORT OF DECIDED THAT THOSE SPACES IN THE BACK IS GUEST PARKING.
I MEAN, I'VE BEEN THERE DURING THE DAY.
I'VE BEEN THERE AT NIGHT. I USED TO WHEN IT FIRST STARTED AND WE HAD TENANTS I WAS MAINTAINING ON.
I'VE NEVER SEEN A TENANT PARK ON THE STREET.
I MEAN, WE HAVE PLENTY OF PARKING.
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IT DOESN'T HAPPEN.THE APARTMENT. SO, BUT TO CLARIFY, THE THE SUBDIVISION YOU'RE PROPOSING WOULD HAVE THOSE TEN SPOTS AND THEN NINE OTHER SPOTS. SO, YOU'RE TAKING SOME OF THE GUEST SPOTS AND YOU'RE CONVERTING THEM INTO SPOTS I ASSUME WOULD BE DESIGNATED FOR THE SIX THREE BEDROOM.
SO, THERE WILL BE A TOTAL OF 19 SPOTS.
THAT IS THE 38 BEDROOMS BECAUSE THERE'S 38 BEDROOMS AND THAT NEEDS CITY RULES.
ONE PER DWELLING UNIT, NOT ONE PER BEDROOM, ONE PER DWELLING UNIT, ONE PER DWELLING UNIT.
AND IT'S WHAT WHAT DO YOU DO WHICH GETS SACRIFICED, RIGHT? AND SO, THIS WAS SORT OF THE COMMON GROUND THAT WE CAME TO.
WE HAD MORE SPOTS AND WE SORT OF, YOU KNOW, WE DIDN'T WE NEEDED TO WE WANTED TO CUT BACK.
AND THAT WASN'T JUST NECESSARILY US DOING THAT.
IT DIDN'T MAKE SENSE MAYBE TO HAVE SOME OF THESE SPOTS HERE.
AND IT'S LIKE, WELL, THE IMPACT ON SOME OF THE TREES AND HOW THE AMOUNT OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE.
YOU PROBABLY CAN FIT FOR THE CITY RULES.
YOU COULD PROBABLY FIT TWO CARS ON FAULKNER.
IS IT THE DRIVE ENTRANCE? YEAH. YOU PROBABLY HAVE TWO MORE SPOTS THAT ARE ALLOWED.
SO EACH OF THE APARTMENTS IS TWO BEDROOM.
I DON'T SEE THE HOW MANY BEDROOMS ARE IN EACH OF THE PROPOSED COTTAGES.
THERE'S SIX COTTAGE AND EACH ONE IS EITHER A 3/2.
AND WE DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICS OF EACH ONE YET.
BUT THEY WOULD EITHER BE A THREE, TWO OR A TWO.
DO YOU HAVE A FLOOR AREA RANGE FOR THOSE COTTAGES IN MIND YET? THERE WAS A QUESTION, TOO.
YEAH, THEY ARE ALL LESS THAN 1500 SQUARE FEET.
OKAY. I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE.
I MEAN, THEY'RE ALL IN COMPLIANCE WITH.
THEY'RE BEING BUILT TO FIT THE COTTAGE COURT.
AND EACH ONE OF THESE HAS TO BE SUBMITTED.
AND FOR IT TO GET APPROVED, IT MUST COMPLY WITH THOSE REQUIREMENTS.
THERE ARE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS FOR COTTAGE COURT.
SO SOME OF THE THINGS THAT WERE MENTIONED ARE NOT FOR A COTTAGE COURT COMMUNITY.
THAT'S FOR THE ZONING FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES AND ARE 60 OR 85.
GOT IT. I JUST WANTED AN ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION ON THE RECORD.
I HAVE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS, BUT ANGELA.
SO WHEN THE IN THE STAFF REPORT, I BELIEVE IT TALKS ABOUT THE MINIMUM AMENITY SPACE BEING 19% OF THE SITE AREA, BUT I'M NOT SEEING NECESSARILY WHAT THOSE AMENITIES ARE ON THE SITE PLAN.
SO WHAT QUALIFIES AS AN AMENITY SPACE OR I THINK IT ALSO MENTIONS A COURTYARD.
SO WHAT QUALIFIES AS AN AMENITY VERSUS A COURTYARD AND.
WE'LL JUST GIVE YOU THE FLOOR WHILE YOU HAVE IT.
THERE IS ALSO THE YARD IN FRONT THAT'S ADJACENT BETWEEN THE APARTMENT BUILDING AND FAULKNER DRIVE.
THAT WOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED PART OF THAT AMENITY SPACE.
SO CALCULATIONS SHOW THAT IT'S ABOUT 19% OF THE TOTAL SITE AREA, WHEREAS 5% IS REQUIRED.
SO, AMENITY SPACE CAN JUST BE AN OPEN? YES, OPEN SPACE.
IT CAN HAVE FEATURES LIKE GAZEBOS, PLAYGROUNDS.
AND MY OTHER QUESTION IS, CURRENTLY THERE'S A DUMPSTER THAT'S VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
AND I SEE ON THE SITE PLAN THAT IT DOES SAY ENCLOSE AND PAD TO A DUMPSTER.
IS THAT A REQUIREMENT FROM THE CITY? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT CAN BE ENFORCED?
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YES. SO FOR A PROJECT OF THIS SIZE, OUR SANITATION DIVISION IS GOING TO REQUIRE THAT THERE BE ONE AREA FOR TRASH PICKUP AND THAT IT ALSO MUST BE ENCLOSED.SO NOT VERY VISIBLE FROM THE STREET.
AND THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE WANT.
YEAH. THAT THE NEW LOCATION ACCOMMODATES BOTH BUILDINGS OR BOTH PHASES.
I SEE TWO DUMPSTERS TO THE CITY REQUIRE ONE FOR TRASH AND ONE FOR RECYCLING.
IT'S LIKE A SIZE BASED ON HOW BIG? YEAH. AND AS WE CONTINUE TO WORK WITH THE PUBLIC WORKS, SANITATION, YOU KNOW, THERE MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RECYCLING BINS.
WE'LL WE'LL DETERMINE SPECIFICALLY WHAT WHAT THAT TRASH PICKUP WILL LOOK LIKE.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS AND MAYBE I CAN ADDRESS SOME OF THE THE COMMENTS.
ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR ANGELA? I ASKED HER. THANK YOU.
SO A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS THAT CAME UP ABOUT THE COTTAGE COURT AND COTTAGES AND THE SIZE AND THE FLOOR AREA OF COTTAGES. SO PREVIOUSLY, AS YOU KNOW, THE DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF DECATUR INVESTED IN A SITE AT 230 COMMERCE DRIVE TO DO A PILOT PROJECT FOR A COTTAGE COURT.
AND AT THAT TIME, OUR CODES FOR COTTAGE COURTS WERE VERY DIFFERENT.
THERE WERE MUCH LARGER SIZES THAT WERE PERMITTED AT THAT TIME, 1800 SQUARE FEET WAS THE MAXIMUM.
AS WE CONTINUED TO WORK WITH BRUCE TAYLOR, WHO WAS THE ARCHITECT FOR THE 230 COMMERCE DRIVE PROJECT, IT BECAME CLEAR THAT THAT 1800 SQUARE FEET WAS QUITE LARGE.
AND SO WE DID RECOMMEND A TEXT AMENDMENT TO REDUCE THE SIZE TO 1500 SQUARE FEET MAXIMUM FROM WHAT WE LEARNED FROM THAT PILOT PROJECT, AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT WE HAVE LEARNED.
SO, I DID WANT TO BRING THAT TO LIGHT SO THAT WE WE DID STUDY THAT AS PART OF THAT.
I THINK THERE WAS A RECENT COMMENT ABOUT SOME ADDITIONAL SPACES PERHAPS ALONG FAULKNER.
I WOULD CAUTION THAT WE SHOULDN'T BE ENCOURAGING MORE PARKING SPACES, ESPECIALLY AT THE FRONT YARD, BECAUSE OUR CODES DO PROHIBIT PARKING BETWEEN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING AND THE STREET.
AND SO, CURRENTLY THOSE TEN PARKING SPACES ARE PRETTY MUCH ALIGNED.
SO, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD THAT COMMENT, BUT I DID WANT TO MAKE THAT ABOUT PARKING ON THE STREET.
WE WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO COUNT THAT OR CREDIT THAT.
YEAH. SO PARKING ON THE STREET DOES QUALIFY FOR SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, BUT NOT FOR COTTAGE COURT.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT WOULD. IT'S FOR THE THE MISSING MIDDLE HOUSING ORDINANCE, WHICH IS THE DUPLEXES, TRIPLEXES AND QUADPLEXES.
IT WOULD NOT BE APPLICABLE TO THE COTTAGE COURT DESIGN.
THOSE WOULD NEED TO BE ON SITE PARKING SPACES.
I BELIEVE MISS MISS FOX HAD A QUESTION.
WAS IT A SETBACK QUESTION? YEAH. COMPLY WITH ALL SETBACKS.
SO ON THE SECOND PAGE OF THE STAFF REPORT, WE I DO HAVE A TABLE LISTING WHAT THE 17 ZONING DISTRICT, THE MINIMUM SIDE INTERIOR YARD, WHICH IS THREE FEET MINIMUM, AND IT'S IT VARIES.
QUESTIONS THAT MAY HAVE COME UP.
I CAN'T REMEMBER ANY THAT WENT UNADDRESSED.
AND MR. MCFARLAND, YOU HAD MENTIONED SOMETHING ABOUT STORM WATER OR.
YEAH. COMPLYING WITH WITH WHAT THE CITY STORMWATER ORDINANCE IS REGARDING 90% OF AN UNDISTURBED NATURAL SITE, YOU KNOW, BECAUSE THAT IS A, THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN 90% OF WHAT'S CURRENTLY THERE.
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RIGHT. SO I WILL DEFINITELY SHARE THAT INFORMATION, THAT TECHNICAL ANALYSIS.IF THAT IS DESIRED BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION, PLEASE EMAIL ME.
TYPICALLY, WE HAVE NOT PROVIDED THAT LEVEL OF ANALYSIS BECAUSE, YOU KNOW, OUR OUR ENGINEER, OUR ON SITE ENGINEERS USUALLY REVIEW THAT, BUT I'M HAPPY TO SHARE IT IF YOU WANT TO DIG IN.
THANK YOU. IT'S TOO LATE FOR MINE, RIGHT? YES. THERE'S NO REBUTTAL TO THE REBUTTAL.
SO WHAT ARE WE THINKING? AND SO TO CLARIFY, I THINK THIS QUESTION WAS ASKED AT THE VERY BEGINNING, BUT THE DEVELOPMENT MEETS ALL CODES AS PRESENTED TODAY EXCEPT FOR STREET FRONTAGE.
I THINK THERE WAS AN ASTERISK BY STREET FRONTAGE BY THE 99 FOOT.
YEAH, BUT IT WAS WITHIN THE VARIANCE THAT'S ALLOWED.
YEAH. YEAH, BUT I THINK THE POINT IS WELL MADE THAT WE'VE GOT A DEVELOPMENT PROPOSAL THAT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY VARIANCES. AND AS RACHEL POINTED OUT EARLIER, IF YOU CHANGE THE OWNERSHIP STRUCTURE AND NOTHING ELSE, YOU COULD BUILD THIS EXACTLY THE WAY IT'S PROPOSED.
AND WE COULDN'T SAY BOO ABOUT IT.
AND GOING FORWARD IT WILL HAVE TO MEET ALL STORM WATER AND ANY OTHER CITY REQUIREMENTS.
I MEAN, AS I SAID, I APPLAUD THE, THE STORM WATER DESIGN.
SO IT'S IT DOES REDUCE TOTAL VOLUME AS WELL AS CONTROLLING THE RATE.
KEEP LOOKING THIS WAY. I NEED TO TURN MY BACK TO YOU.
SORRY. DOES ANYONE HAVE A MOTION THEY WANT TO MAKE OR ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION? I'M PULLING UP THE DRAFT ORDINANCE.
THANK YOU. AND I JUST NEED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE ORDINANCE.
JUST. THERE'S A STATEMENT ON THE LAST THE LAST PARAGRAPH THAT SAYS THE THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL SET ASIDE ONE TWO BEDROOM COTTAGE COURT.
AND THE CONCERN IS THAT IF THEY WERE ALL THREE BEDROOM THAT WE WOULDN'T BE IN COMPLIANCE.
JUST SO THAT IT'S NOT SPECIFIC TO A TWO.
IT SAYS TWO BEDROOMS. IF IT WERE TO BE A THREE BEDROOM, BECAUSE IF IT WERE TO BE A THREE BEDROOM OR IF WE WERE TO BUILD ALL THREE BEDROOMS AND THIS SAYS TWO, I WOULD EITHER BE IN I WOULDN'T BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CODE OR I WOULDN'T BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONS.
THE CONDITIONS. BUT JUST THAT WASN'T TO REMOVE THAT, I THINK WE COULD MAYBE ALTER IT TO SAY, TWO OR MORE BEDROOMS. AT LEAST TWO BEDROOMS. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THAT WAY IT CAN'T BE A ONE BEDROOM COTTAGE.
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RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY.IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION? I DON'T HAVE ANY. OKAY.
THEN I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE AS WRITTEN.
WITH THE EXCEPTION FOR NUMBER SIX, THE DEVELOPMENT SHALL.
SET ASIDE ONE COTTAGE WITH AT LEAST TWO BEDROOMS AS AN INCLUSIONARY DWELLING UNIT.
OKAY. IT HAS BEEN PROPERLY MOVED AND SECONDED THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION.
RECOMMEND APPROVAL. WE'RE APPROVING THE SUBDIVISION.
OKAY. IT HAS BEEN IT'S A PRELIMINARY PLAT.
SO IT IS A RECOMMENDATION THAT DOES GO ON TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
THANK YOU. SO I WAS RIGHT THE FIRST TIME WE ARE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OR THE MOTION IS TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION TO THE CITY COMMISSION WITH THE STAFF RECOMMENDED CONDITIONS, ACCEPT CONDITION NUMBER SIX IS MODIFIED TO SAY THE DEVELOPER SHALL SET ASIDE ONE COTTAGE WITH AT LEAST TWO BEDROOMS AS AN INCLUSIONARY DWELLING UNIT WITH THE REST OF THAT LANGUAGE IN THAT CONDITION REMAINING THE SAME.
IS THERE ANY QUESTION OR CONCERN ON THE MOTION? ALL RIGHT. HEARING NONE. ALL IN FAVOR.
ALL RIGHT, ALL RIGHT. THE MOTION PASSES UNANIMOUSLY.
THAT IS OUR LAST PIECE OF BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA.
ANGELA, DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US?
[IV. Other Business.]
IN OTHER BUSINESS.HOWEVER, I KNOW LAST MEETING YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT IF THERE WAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE A WORK SESSION, I THINK NOVEMBER WOULD PROBABLY BE IT. WE HAVE NO NEW APPLICATIONS FILED, AND WHAT WAS ACTED ON TONIGHT IS NOT RETURNING BACK TO YOU.
SO MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WOULD YOU PREFER TO HOLD A WORK SESSION? IF SO, WHAT IS THE TOPIC DU JOUR OR WOULD YOU PREFER TO CANCEL THAT NOVEMBER MEETING? JASON, WHAT SAY YOU? FIND WITH THE WORK SESSION.
I MEAN, MY THOUGHT WAS IF THERE'S ASPECTS OF THE STORMWATER MASTER PLAN THAT WERE RECOMMENDED AS CODE CHANGES, IF IF THOSE HAVEN'T BEEN INCORPORATED, WE COULD POTENTIALLY DO SOME WORDSMITHING HERE WITH THE WITH THE UDO AND THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS.
SO ,I THINK MAYBE, I MEAN, I'LL TAKE IT ON PERHAPS TO WORK, ANGELA, WITH YOU BETWEEN NOW AND MAYBE THE NEXT 2 OR 3 WEEKS TO SEE IF WE CAN PUT TOGETHER SOMETHING MEANINGFUL THAT WE COULD THEN WORK ON.
BUT IF WE CAN, THEN YOU KNOW, AND I WOULD PREFER TO HAVE OUR PROJECT CIVIL ENGINEER JENNINGS BELL, WHO IS VERY MUCH INGRAINED IN THE CITY STORM WATER MASTER PLAN AND POSSIBLY OUR SENIOR ENGINEER, CARA SHARE TO BE PRESENT FOR THOSE DISCUSSIONS JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE WORKING IN IN THAT ORDINANCE EVERY DAY.
SO I WILL MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE AVAILABLE AND THEN CONFIRM.
I HAVE ACCUSED YOU AND UNJUSTLY.
WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? ANGELA I THINK THAT'S IT.
I DO NOT HAVE THOSE READY FOR YOU YET.
YOU WILL HAVE THEM AS SOON AS THEY ARE.
ALL RIGHT. ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANYTHING FOR THE GOOD OF THE ORDER? HEARING NOTHING. WE STAND ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.