I HAD TO GO AROUND THE ROCKY FORD TO GET.
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ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING.[I. Call to Order.]
WE'LL GET THE MEETING STARTED.SO THIS IS THE REGULAR MEETING OF THE DECATUR PLANNING COMMISSION FOR MARCH THE 12TH.
I WILL BE CHAIRING THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING.
AND THIS IS A SEVEN MEMBER COMMISSION OF DECATUR RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION.
IT ALSO REVIEWS AND RECOMMENDS CHANGES TO THE CITY'S ZONING REGULATIONS AND FUTURE LAND USE PLANS.
GUESS I'M GOING TO GO AHEAD AND READ THIS WHOLE THING JUST TO GET USED TO IT.
WE WILL HEAR APPLICATIONS TONIGHT IN THE ORDER THEY ARE LISTED ON THE PRINTED AGENDA.
APPLICANTS ARE GIVEN TIME TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WHEN THE APPLICATION IS CALLED.
PLEASE BE SURE TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR REMARKS.
SINCE THE BURDEN OF THE PROOF IS ON THE APPLICANT TO CONVINCE THE COMMISSION TO VOTE IN THEIR FAVOR, APPLICANTS ARE ALSO ALLOWED TO PRESENT REBUTTAL TO ANY OPPOSITION AGAINST THEM. OPPOSING PARTIES ARE NOT GRANTED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL.
WHILE WE DO NOT FORMALLY LIMIT THE TIME FOR MULTIPLE PARTIES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO AN APPLICATION, WE DO ASK SPEAKERS TO REFRAIN FROM SPENDING TIME REPEATING ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED.
ONCE ALL INTERESTED PARTIES HAVE BEEN HEARD, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE APPLICATION.
PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ANY APPLAUSE OR DIALOG DURING OR AFTER PRESENTATIONS.
GOOD EVENING, I'M GREG CHILIK.
JASON FRIEDLANDER, JENNY STEIN, MARK BRAMBLETT.
SO THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS APPROVAL FROM MINUTES FROM JANUARY 9TH MEETING.
[II.a. Approval of Minutes from January 9, 2024 regularly scheduled meeting.]
DID EVERYBODY HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? ANY CHANGES? ANY COMMENTS? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS DRAFTED.SECOND. A MOTION SECOND AND A SECOND.
AS PRESENTED. SO THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA.
WE NEED TO VOTE. OH, I'M SORRY.
WE DO NEED TO VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE SAY AYE.
AYE. NOW WE CAN GO TO NEXT MINUTES.
WE HAVE TWO ITEMS UNDER NEW BUSINESS.
[III.a. Andrew Rutledge with Office of Design has requested a conditional use permit to construct twelve (12) townhomes at 111 Church Street.]
ANDREW RUTLEDGE WITH THE OFFICE OF DESIGN HAS REQUESTED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT TO CONSTRUCT 12 TOWNHOMES AT 111 CHURCH STREET.AND CONCERNING THE SAME PROPERTY THERE'S ALSO A REQUEST FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM A HEIGHT VARIANCE FROM 40FT TO 50FT FOR THE SAME 12 TOWNHOMES.
MY NAME IS ANDREW RUTLEDGE, 924 SYCAMORE STREET, OFFICE OF DESIGN.
I'M COMING BEFORE YOU GUYS TO TO FIRST ASK FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE OF TOWNHOMES ON THIS PROPERTY.
IT IS CURRENTLY ZONED AS UM C1, I BELIEVE, SORRY, C 2.
SORRY. WHICH IN THE UDO ALLOWS FOR THE TOWNHOME? BUT IT'S KIND OF A CONDITIONAL SITUATION WHERE YOU HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU TO ASK TO TO HAVE THE TOWNHOMES PLACED IN THIS PROPERTY.
WE ARE SEEKING TO WE HAVE DESIGNED 12 TOWNHOMES TO, TO GO ON THIS AS WELL AS, AS A PART OF THAT, WE HAVE DESIGNED TWO AFFORDABLE UNITS WHICH ARE SHOWN, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS HAVE COLOR WHICH ARE SHOWN IN THE, IN THE YELLOW THE TWO YELLOW UNITS THERE.
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IN THIS ZONING, REGULAR COMMERCIAL IS ALLOWED TO BE UP TO 80FT.THE NEIGHBOR TO THE SIDE OF US IS IS AN OLDER HOME THAT IS BEING USED AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY.
NOW IT'S A STORY AND A HALF BUILDING.
BUT SINCE WE HAVE THE CORNER AND WE HAVE THE THE RAILROAD.
WE FEEL LIKE, THE HEIGHT VARIATION IS NOT AS IMPACTFUL AS IT WOULD BE IF WE WERE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, OF THE STREET OR A PROPERTY IN THE CENTER OF THE STREET VERSUS ON THE CORNER. SO THOSE ARE THE TWO THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKING FOR FROM YOU GUYS TODAY, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME.
THANK YOU. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? MR. RUTLEDGE ON YOUR ON THE SURVEY.
THERE ARE SEVERAL MATURE TREES BARKED BY THE SURVEYOR.
ANY OF THOSE GOING TO BE PRESERVED? YES. SO.
SO WE'RE GOING TO DO OUR BEST TO PRESERVE THE TREES AT THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
I BELIEVE THERE'S A GIANT MAGNOLIA OVER HERE.
AND A HARDWOOD. I THINK IT'S AN OAK.
IT'S IT APPEARS TO BE DECEASED DISEASE AS WELL.
WHEN IN BACK IN THE SUMMER, THERE WEREN'T A WHOLE LOT OF LEAVES ON THAT TREE.
SO IT'S IT'S BEING CHOKED OUT AT THIS POINT, SO.
BUT BUT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE TO REMOVE THAT IN ORDER TO, TO BUILD THE, THE PROJECT.
COULD YOU GO INTO A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON HOW.
YEAH. SO THE HEIGHT CONCERN REALLY ONLY OCCURS AT THE GABLES.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO THE STREET.
CHURCH STREET IN PARTICULAR IS MOSTLY COMPOSED OF ARTS AND CRAFTS HOMES.
SO WE'RE TRYING TO KIND OF GO INTO THAT SAME VEIN AND DO AN ARTS AND CRAFTS TOWNHOME DESIGN.
THE WAY THAT THE HEIGHT IS MEASURED IN THE CITY, DECATUR IS AT THE TOP OF THE, TOP THE RIDGE.
SO AS YOU CAN SEE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS, THE TOP OF THE RIDGE IS AT 50.
THE LOWER PORTION IS PROBABLY A LITTLE BIT OVER 40, PROBABLY LIKE 44.
SO THE LOWER PORTION IS THAT BEFORE THE SETBACK, THE PORT.
SO THESE UNITS IN THE MIDDLE WOULD ACTUALLY ARE ACTUALLY LOWER.
SO IT'S REALLY ONLY THE TIP TOP OF THE GABLE WHERE WHERE THE 50 IS GOING TO COME INTO PLAY.
IT'S HIGHER THAN WHAT'S PRESCRIBED PER THE CODE.
BUT IT'S LOWER THAN 50 I'M NOT SURE.
IT LOOKS LIKE UNITS TWO, THREE AND FOUR AND FIVE.
BUT YOU SAID YOU SAID THEY WERE ONLY 40FT TALL BUT THEY'RE ACTUALLY 50FT TALL.
IT'S JUST STEP BACK. EXCUSE ME.
SO THE PERCEPTION FROM THE STREET AND THE PERSPECTIVE IS LESS THAN 50.
BUT I THINK IT SHOULD BE CLEAR THEY ARE 50FT TALL.
OKAY. BUT THE PERCEPTION IS THAT ONLY THE GABLES WOULD APPEAR TO HAVE THAT HEIGHT.
BECAUSE WHAT YOU'RE SEEING IN THE BACK.
FROM 45 DEGREES AS PRESCRIBED IN THE UDO IS ACTUALLY NOT.
IT WOULD NOT BE SEEN, PER THAT DESCRIPTION IN THE UDO.
I MEAN, IT'S JUST A STEP BACK.
I THINK IT STILL COULD BE SEEN AND IT COULD BE SEEN FROM THE ADJACENT PROPERTY ON CHURCH STREET.
CORRECT? YOU'RE GOING TO BE 50FT AT THE THREE FOOT BUFFER LINE.
THE TOP OF THAT BUILDING IS 50FT.
CORRECT. THAT'S THE THAT'S THE GABLE POINT.
CORRECT. THREE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE.
THAT ONE IS. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING, IS THE GABLES, THE TWO END UNITS WOULD BE PERCEIVED.
YEAH. THE CENTER UNITS WOULD NOT BECAUSE THEY'RE ACTUALLY THEY'RE LOWER.
AND THEN YOU HAVE A WHOLE ROOF DECK AND THEN YOU HAVE THAT PENTHOUSE SITUATION.
IT'S ALSO A PRESCRIPTION THAT'S THAT'S USED IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION DISTRICTS.
WHAT'S THAT? YOU SAID THE HEIGHT IS AT 40FT.
THE HEIGHT IS IS PROBABLY 42 AND SOME CHANGE TO THE TOP OF THIS, THIS ROOF AND THE CENTER UNITS.
SO THAT WOULD BE UNITS, THAT WOULD BE UNITS TWO THROUGH FIVE AND THEN UNITS EIGHT THROUGH 11.
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THAT IS THAT SETBACK.THAT'S SETBACK IS IT'S APPROXIMATELY 15FT BACK TO WHERE THE PENTHOUSE RISES UP.
SO WHERE THAT 50FT TO WHERE YOU HAVE A 50 FOOT ROOF.
OH, TO 50 FOOT IS IN THE CENTER OF THE OF THE UNIT.
SO THAT'S GOING TO BE OR TO THE ROUTE TO THE..
SO IT'S GOING TO BE 20 ABOUT 22.5FT TO THAT 50 50 FOOT RIDGE.
FRONT OF THAT ROOF IS AT WHAT HEIGHT? 42. NO, NO, NO.
THE ROOF OF THE ONE, TWO, THREE FOURTH STORY.
IS ALL THE. ALL THE RIDGES ARE 50.
HOW ABOUT THE LOWER PART OF THE ROOF? RIGHT WHERE THE AT THE OVERHANG.
RIGHT AT THE SOFFIT, BASICALLY.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THE THIS OVERHANG THAT'S GOING TO BE BELOW 40.
NO NO NO. THE HIGH ROOF THAT STARTS AT THE PEAK IS AT 50.
IT'S NOT A YES. NO, IT'S NOT 50.
IF THAT'S 50, THAT LOOKS LIKE THAT'S AT LEAST ANOTHER FIVE FEET.
ARE WE TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING? YEAH, I THINK SO. AND THAT STARTS WHERE? HOW FAR BACK FROM THE THAT STARTS AT HALFWAY POINT ON THE UNIT, WHICH THE UNITS ARE 45FT WIDE, ARE 45FT DEEP.
THERE'S NONE OF YOUR RENDERINGS SHOWED THE PERCEPTION FROM CHURCH STREET.
I FEEL NOT REALLY. I MEAN, THERE HAD AN ANGLE.
THOSE RENDERINGS ARE ACTUALLY AS A PEDESTRIAN ON THE STREET.
SO THAT'S IT FIVE FOOT SIX AND IT'S DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET.
BUT WHAT IF YOU'RE ON THE SIDEWALK NEXT TO THE UNITS? BECAUSE THAT'S WHERE A PEDESTRIAN IS GOING TO BE.
THEY'RE NOT GOING TO STAND IN THE MIDDLE OF CHURCH STREET.
RIGHT. STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK SO THEY'LL BE PERCEIVED EVEN LOWER.
THEY'LL SEEM HIGHER BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE CLOSER TO THE BUILDING.
YOUR ANGLE GOING UP IS GOING TO BE STEEPER.
THE END UNITS, OF COURSE, WILL BE 50, SO THEY'LL BE PERCEIVED AT 50 NO MATTER WHAT.
BUT THE CENTER UNITS WILL BE PERCEIVED LOWER IF WE APPROVE THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
IN ORDER TO BUILD THE 12 TOWNHOMES AS PART OF THE FIRST PART OF THIS.
DO YOU ARE YOU GOING TO SEEK ANY VARIANCES FROM THE UDO? I'M SEEKING THE JUST THE HEIGHT VARIANCE.
YEAH. SO WE ALSO KNOW NO OTHER NO STORMWATER? NO. NO TREE CANOPY, NO NOTHING ELSE.
NO. FOR ARE YOU DOING? YEAH, YEAH, I MIGHT NOT BE DONE, BUT UNITS NINE AND TEN.
ARE THERE ANY PARKING ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE UNITS? THERE'S NONE ON SITE.
SO THOSE ARE THE ONLY UNITS THAT WE HAVE THAT HAVE SINGLE SINGLE CAR PARKING.
ON. THE REST OF THE UNITS ARE ALL DOUBLE GARAGE.
OKAY, SO THERE'S NOT A CAR IN THE.
OH, SORRY. YEAH, A GARAGE, THAT'S KIND OF.
OKAY. AND SO VISITOR PARKING IS ON THE STREET.
VISITOR PARKING IS ON THE STREET.
THERE'S THERE'S A WHOLE ROW OF STREET PARKING HERE.
THERE'S ALL STREET PARKING ALONG CHURCH AS WELL.
WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 12 PARKING SPACES AND WE HAVE 20.
TWO. YEAH, WE'RE REQUIRED TO HAVE 12 SPACES AND WE HAVE 22 SPACES.
YEAH. THE RENDERING I'M LOOKING AT JUST DIDN'T HAVE ANY AT ALL.
WELL. I HAVE A COUPLE COPIES TOO, IF ANYBODY ELSE NEEDS.
AND YOU'RE NOT SEEKING TO HAVE HOWARD CHANGED FROM ONE WAY TO THE TWO WAY? YEAH. ALTHOUGH I DO REMEMBER WHEN IT WAS.
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SURE. THE STUCCO ELEMENTS ARE THERE, SO THE MAJORITY OF THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE STUCCO.AND IT'S MY CLIENT IS JACK BUILD.
I DON'T I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS YOU MAY NOT HAVE SEEN THAT IN THERE.
SUB WHO IS MORE LIKE A PLASTERER.
IT'S MORE LIKE AN ITALIAN PLASTER.
BY THE TIME IT'S DONE, YOU CAN RUN YOUR HAND ON IT.
IT'S NOT EVEN LIKE THE VERY FINE PEBBLE STUCCO, BUT IT'S GOING TO BE A TRUE THREE COAT STUCCO.
IT'S NOT EPHAS, IT'S NOT BLOWN ON.
IT'S TROUT ON OLD FASHIONED WAY.
YEAH. WHY THAT MATERIAL JUST ARCHITECTURALLY.
I MEAN, IS THAT SOMETHING, IS THAT A BUDGET CONSTRAINT OR MORE OF AN ARCHITECTURAL SORT OF ESTHETIC THING? IT'S MORE OF AN ESTHETIC. YEAH.
IT'S IT'S SIMILAR TO I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH CHARLES RENNIE MACKINTOSH IN SCOTLAND.
BUT YEAH, NOW, NOW IT'S ENDING.
YOU'RE COMING ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE STUCCO, WHICH MAYBE WE CAN PUT INTO THE MINUTES.
IT'S MUCH BETTER THAN CEMENTITIOUS.
ETHAS DOESN'T LAST, YOU CAN PUT A PENCIL THROUGH IT.
YEAH. STYROFOAM. YEAH. IT'S STYROFOAM.
BUT TRUE STUCCO THAT'S APPLIED CORRECTLY IS A VERY LASTING PRODUCT.
WHEREAS CEMENTITIOUS BOARD IS PRETTY GOOD, BUT IT HAS ITS, YOU KNOW, IT'LL FRAY AT THE ENDS.
IT CAN STILL HAVE SOME MILDEW ISSUES AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
YEAH, WE HAVE SOME BRICK IN THE BACK.
EXCUSE ME, THIS ONE. YEAH, BUT AROUND THE WINDOWS, IT'S STUCCO.
YEAH, IT'S MOSTLY JUST THE EASTWARD ELEVATION ON UNIT C6.
WELCOME EVERYBODY ELSE'S THOUGHTS.
STILL WRESTLING WITH THE 50FT, IT JUST SEEMS. THIS ESPECIALLY DEFEATED A THREE FOOT BUFFER STOP BACK FROM AN ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT'S CURRENTLY A ONE AND A HALF STORY BUILDING.
IT'S GOING TO, LIKE, COMPLETELY SHADE THEM.
I LOOKED AT THE SOLAR ANGLES ON THAT AND BASICALLY THEY'RE IN THE SHADE.
YEAH. BY THIS BUILDING, IF YOU WERE DOING A MULTIFAMILY BUILDING OR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, YOU COULD GO MUCH TALLER, RIGHT? SO, YOU CAN DO 80FT.
DID YOU DO ANY DRAWINGS OR DESIGNS THAT CAP THE HEIGHTS CLOSER TO THE 40FT OR AT THE 40FT? WE DID NOT.
HONESTLY, I DIDN'T NOTICE UNTIL I WAS ALMOST DONE HOW HIGH IT WAS, TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, BECAUSE I KNEW I WAS TRYING TO SATISFY WITH THE PROGRAM. THAT'S ALL OF THE FLOORS.
I MEAN, THE FLOOR TO CEILING. I MEAN, YOU COULD PROBABLY JUST GET IT IN THERE.
I THINK THEY'RE 10.5FT FLOOR TO FLOOR.
AND THEN WE'VE GOT 18 INCH TRUSSES.
THE FOURTH STORY THAT GETS YOU.
YEAH. IS THERE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? THE CENTER UNITS JUST TO KIND OF DRIVE HOME FOR MR. FARLAND. THOSE ARE VERY SIMILAR TO THE UNITS BEHIND FELLINI'S OFF OF HOWARD.
SO THEY ARE PERCEIVED AS THREE STORIES, AND THEN THEY HAVE THAT FOURTH LEVEL PENTHOUSE BACK BEHIND.
SO, GIVES YOU A BETTER VISUAL.
ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION? ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING, PLANNING COMMISSION.
AS THIS PROJECT IS WITHIN THE DOWNTOWN AREA.
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THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY PROVIDES REVIEW AS WELL AS A RECOMMENDATION TO THIS BODY AS WELL AS THE CITY COMMISSION, BEFORE THE FINAL ACTION IS TAKEN.ON FRIDAY, JANUARY 12TH, THIS PROJECT DID COME BEFORE THE DDA, AND THEY ULTIMATELY PASSED A RESOLUTION IN SUPPORT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THIS SITE AS PROPOSED.
THEY ARE MOSTLY FOCUSED ON TRADE, COMMERCE, INDUSTRY, EMPLOYMENT IN OUR DOWNTOWN DISTRICT, BUT THEY'RE ALSO LOOKING AT THE LAND USE PATTERNS AND MAKING SURE THAT IT IS SUPPORTIVE OF TRADE, COMMERCE, INDUSTRY AND EMPLOYMENT IN OUR CORE BUSINESS DISTRICT.
DURING THE DISCUSSION, HOWEVER, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD DID NOTE THAT THE TWO INCLUSIONARY HOUSING UNITS, WHICH ARE NOTED AS UNITS NINE AND TEN ON THE PLAN THEY ARE NARROWER.
AND WHILE THEY DIDN'T GO MUCH MORE INTO THE THE DEPTH OF THAT CONVERSATION, I WILL SHARE WITH YOU AS THE PRIMARY AUTHOR OF THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE. YOU KNOW, THAT ORDINANCE DID COME BEFORE THIS BODY AND WAS ULTIMATELY APPROVED AND ADOPTED AND BECAME EFFECTIVE IN JULY OF 2020.
I DO CAUTION THE PLANNING COMMISSION IN SUPPORTING AN APPLICATION THAT IS CONTRARY OR IN CONFLICT WITH THAT INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE.
AND SO THERE ARE FOUR CRITERIA FROM THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE.
AND I'M JUST GOING TO READ THESE TO YOU THAT THE INCLUSIONARY DWELLING UNITS IN THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SHALL BE DESIGNED TO HAVE A NUMBER OF BEDROOMS IN THE SAME PROPORTION AS THE MARKET RATE DWELLING UNITS.
AND AMONG THE MARKET RATE DWELLING UNITS WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT CONCURRENTLY WITH THE MARKET RATE DWELLING UNITS AND DESIGNED, THE FOURTH ONE IS DESIGNED TO BE FUNCTIONALLY EQUIVALENT IN STYLE AND QUALITY WITH THE MARKET RATE DWELLING UNITS IN THE DEVELOPMENT, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE FIRST THREE ARE BEING MET, BUT THIS LAST ONE WHERE IT'S TALKING ABOUT THE STYLE AND THE QUALITY.
I THINK THIS WOULD SET A VERY BAD PRECEDENT IN VARYING FROM THESE REQUIREMENTS.
AND SO I AM REQUESTING THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IF YOU DO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL WITH CONDITIONS THAT THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING UNITS MEET THE MINIMUM WIDTH OF 16FT.
THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ELSE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATIONS? IS THERE ANYONE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION OF THE APPLICATIONS? DO WE HAVE ANYBODY ONLINE? NO. NOT ONLINE. OKAY.
AND NOW PLANNING COMMISSION CAN TALK ABOUT THE PROJECT.
BESIDES THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION, AND I ASKED MR. RUTLEDGE SPECIFICALLY IF IT WOULD, AND HE SAID NO.
AT THIS POINT, I CAN'T SUPPORT THIS BECAUSE I THINK IT'S GOT, THERE'S TOO MANY UNKNOWNS HERE.
I THINK PERHAPS GOING BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND COMING BACK WITH A DIFFERENT.
PROPOSAL. THE WAY I'M SITTING RIGHT NOW, I JUST.
THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY HUMAN SCALE TO IT.
COULDN'T SEE THE FULL CITY CITYSCAPE.
I THINK THOSE COULD BE IMPROVED.
I KNOW IT'S ESPECIALLY ASKING FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
ONE THING FOR WHAT YOU NEED TO DO FOR.
IF YOU'RE COMING TO ME FOR SOMETHING.
I DON'T DISAGREE. I DO WANT TO SAY THAT WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THIS, WE NEED TO LOOK AT IT AS TWO ONE FOR THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT. RIGHT. AND THEN THE SECOND FOR THE HEIGHT EXCEPTION.
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WELL, I MEAN, IF I WERE TO SUPPORT PART A, THAT'S JUST THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.PERIOD. WHAT HAPPENS IF THIS GETS APPROVED? BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THE ADDITIONAL VARIANCE FOR DOES THAT COME BACK BEFORE US AGAIN? ZONING BOARD FOR GOES TO THE BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS OKAY.
DIFFERENT BODY. SO NOTING THAT THEY'RE NARROWER, DO THEY HAVE THE SAME NUMBER OF BEDROOMS IN UNITS NINE AND TEN? THEY DO. BUT WHAT DO YOU HAVE THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE BETWEEN.
I DON'T HAVE THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE, BUT I CAN GET THAT FOR YOU.
I WILL TELL YOU, THE DECISION TO MAKE THESE SMALLER WAS BECAUSE OF WE WERE TRYING.
WE'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE ONE AFFORDABLE UNIT.
IN ORDER TO DO THAT, WE'RE TAKING A LOSS ON THE AFFORDABLE UNITS.
THIS IS WHY YOU'VE PROBABLY NEVER SEEN A TOWNHOME COME THROUGH HERE.
SINCE THAT THIS HAS BEEN PASSED, IT'S REALLY HARD TO BUILD A THREE STORY BUILDING AND MAKE IT AFFORDABLE SO THAT SOMEONE CAN ACTUALLY MAKE ENOUGH MONEY OFF OF, OFF OF IT TO, TO WALK AWAY. THEY DON'T TECHNICALLY.
I WILL SAY IF AND THEN THIS, I'M NOT TRYING TO PRESSURE ANYBODY OR ANYTHING.
IF IF THE ONLY THING I CAN DO TO CHANGE THIS FROM THE VARIANCES THAT WE'RE REQUESTING, AS FAR AS THE PLOT GOES, IS WE'RE GOING TO GET RID OF THE OTHER UNIT, AND WE'LL JUST HAVE ONE AFFORDABLE UNIT AND WE'LL HAVE 11 UNITS TOTAL MOST LIKELY.
SO THAT'S JUST THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT WORKS.
THERE'S ONLY SO MANY THINGS YOU CAN FIT INSIDE A PARAMETER OF SOMETHING.
SO IF YOU HAD 11 UNITS YOU'D STILL NEED TWO.
IT'S TEN. IT'S, IT'S IT'S 10% OF THE UNITS BUILT.
SO IF YOU BUILT TEN UNITS YOU HAVE ONE.
I MEAN, IF WE WERE WILLING TO ACCEPT A NARROWER TOWNHOUSE, WE COULD HAVE TWO INSTEAD OF ONE.
I CONCEDE THAT IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO LIKE THIS.
WOULDN'T ACCEPT OR DISAPPROVE THE NARROW TOWNHOUSE.
IT WOULD STILL HAVE TO GO RIGHT FOR THE.
THESE TWO HAVE SPACE FOR ONE CAR.
WELL, IT'S NOT REALLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING REQUIREMENT.
IT'S MORE JUST A VARIANCE ON THE TOWNHOUSE WIDTH RIGHT.
I MEAN RIGHT I MEAN BUT IT'S THE YEAH I MEAN THE MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR THE UNITS THAT RIGHT.
YES. DO YOU LIKE THE LOCATION FOR TOWNHOMES? IT'S A VERY WALKABLE LOCATION.
I THINK IT'S A GREAT PLACE TO PUT.
SOME TOWNHOUSE AND YOU'RE CLOSE TO THE SCHOOLS.
YOU KNOW, THE HEIGHT DOESN'T BOTHER ME IN THIS.
I DO WISH THAT THE AFFORDABLE UNITS WERE MORE SIMILAR TO THE MARKET RATE UNITS.
I'M NOT SURE IF THERE'S A WAY TO, LIKE, INTERSPERSE THEM AND HAVE ADD A FOOT AND THEN PUT THE OTHER ONE AT LIKE UNIT FOUR, KIND OF IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OTHER CLUSTER, BUT THAT'S SOMETHING FOR D7 IS 19FT, FOUR INCHES.
YEAH. WOULD YOU RATHER HAVE ONE 18FT OR 262 50 FOOT?
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ANGEL, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, JUST HOW THAT WORKS.SO IS THAT IN PERPETUITY THEIR THEIR THEIR SALES PRICE IS CAPPED AT FOR THE THE INCOME LEVEL? YES. SO EVERY YEAR IN THE SPRING TIME AROUND MAY HUD ISSUES THEIR AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
AND WE HAVE HEARD FROM MR. RUTLEDGE THAT ALL OF THESE UNITS WOULD BE FOR SALE BASED ON OUR INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, THE SALES PRICE WOULD BE CAPPED AT 120%. AMI SO THE PURCHASER, THE HOUSEHOLD PURCHASING THE UNIT SHOULD MAKE NO MORE THAN 120% AREA MEDIAN INCOME.
THERE IS ALSO THE DECATUR LAND TRUST THAT WILL BE ABLE TO HELP THE DEVELOPER FIND THE PURCHASERS THAT MEET THE CRITERIA OF THE THE INCOME. AND WE ALSO HAVE A PREFERRED LENDER THAT ALSO UNDERSTANDS ANY SORT OF DEED RESTRICTIONS THAT COME ALONG WITH, YOU KNOW.
YES. FOR THE RESALE OF THESE ARE ALSO SUBJECT TO THE SAME REQUIREMENTS.
RIGHT. AND WE HAVE A FORMULA RESALE FORMULA AS WELL THROUGH THE THROUGH THE LAND TRUST.
IN WHICH CASE WOULD THERE BE TWO.
IF THERE'S 15 OR SOMETHING THEN IT'S 1.5.
THEN YOU DO TWO. CORRECT. YES.
SO ANYTHING UNDER 15 WOULD BE ONE.
RIGHT. AND SO THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN.
SO ANY FRACTION OF 0.5 AND ABOVE YOU ROUND UP AND OF COURSE LESS YOU WOULD ROUND DOWN.
AND JUST FOR CLARITY, WOULD YOU REPEAT CRITERIA NUMBER FOUR AGAIN? YES. THANK YOU.
OKAY. SO CRITERIA NUMBER FOUR IS THAT THE INCLUSIONARY DWELLING UNITS SHALL BE DESIGNED TO BE FUNCTIONALLY EQUIVALENT IN STYLE AND QUALITY WITH THE MARKET RATE DWELLING UNITS IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
BUT EVEN WITH THE THE PARKING, IT'S YOU KNOW, IT'S STILL MEETING THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT, I THINK, FOR, YOU KNOW, FOR WHAT I BROUGHT UP IS JUST MEETING THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT OF 16FT OF WIDTH.
YOU'RE NEVER GOING TO GET TWO CARS SIDE BY SIDE WITH 15FT.
YEAH. LOOKS LIKE THE 18 MAYBE.
YEAH. I MEAN, THE GARAGES AND THE DOORS WITH A DOUBLE DOOR.
THERE'S I'VE SEEN TOWNHOUSES WHERE THEY HAVE.
TANDEM IN SUCCESSION, IN TANDEM.
YEAH. SO I MEAN, IT'S POSSIBLE TO MAKE SOMETHING LIKE THAT WORK, BUT.
DO WE WANT TO START WITH LOOKING AT JUST THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THEN MOVE.
SO IF WE WERE TO TRY TO PUT IN A CONDITION THAT.
THE UNITS NOT INTENDED TO BE 16FT.
WHERE DOES THAT FALL FALL ON? I ASSUMED IT WOULD FALL IN THE CONDITIONAL USE ON THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT AND THEN BE FORWARDED TO CITY COMMISSION.
AND THEN A POSSIBLE ADDITION TO THE ORDINANCE.
WE ALL CAN FEEL FREE TO CHANGE.
WHEREAS ALL FOUR CONDITIONS OF THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE MUST BE MET.
AND THAT'S WHERE I SEE MYSELF FALLING.
I UNDERSTAND THE ATTEMPT TO MAKE TWO UNITS.
GO ALONG WITH THAT, BUT WE CAN STILL APPROVE THE CONDITIONAL USE, I GUESS IS YOUR POINT.
I THINK WE COULD WITH THE ADDITIONAL WHEREAS.
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BUT WE DON'T HAVE TO EITHER.THERE'S ONE THING I AM HEARING IS IF THAT CONDITION WAS PUT IN, THERE MIGHT BE A REDESIGN.
AFTER THIS THOUGH, WE NEED TO BE SOME REDESIGN OF THIS TO MEET.
BUT YOU WOULDN'T HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A TOWNHOUSE AND USE, I GUESS, IS MY POINT, RIGHT? AS LONG AS THAT WAS MET WITH THE EXTRA CONDITION, AND ASSUMING THE 50 FOOT HEIGHT WAS REQUIREMENT, IT COULD GO FORWARD TO THE CITY COMMISSION.
AND ANGELA, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT IF THE CHANGES DID NOT INCORPORATE ALL FOUR CONDITIONS OF THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE, IT WOULD THEN GO BEFORE THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS, WHO I BELIEVE HAS FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY.
THEY DO. A COUPLE OTHER SETBACK VIOLATIONS ON THIS RENDERING RIGHT NOW.
SOME SORT OF PATIO OFFER UNIT A ONE.
WHO'S ASKING ABOUT THAT EARLIER TOO? BUT YOU SAID THAT'S PRIVATE PROPERTY.
RIGHT CORNER. YEAH, THAT'S GOOD CORNER.
THIS THING, IT'S HANGING OVER THE THREE.
ARE YOU SAYING THIS WAY? YEAH, YEAH.
IF YOU ZOOM IN AND SEE BETTER.
ADJACENT BUILDING IN THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE NORTH, ACTUALLY OVER THE PROPERTY.
THAT ULTIMATELY STOOPS ON THE PRIVATE RIGHT OF WAY.
ACTUALLY I DO. ANGEL, I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION.
SINCE THE ORDINANCE DOES REFERENCE EXHIBIT A AS THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, WHICH WOULD SHOW THE 12 TOWNHOMES. IF THIS WAS CHANGED AND THE NUMBER OF TOWNHOMES WAS CHANGED, WOULD IT NEED TO COME BACK BEFORE THE PLANNING COMMISSION? TYPICALLY, WHAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION HAS DONE FOR THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL IS TO STATE THAT IT SHALL BE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR.
BUT IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THAT WOULD BE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR, THEN YES, IT WOULD NEED TO COME BACK TO THE COMMISSION.
KIND OF SHAKEN UP TO SOUND LIKE.
ALLOWING IF THEY MEET ALL FOUR ELEMENTS OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.
I WOULD LOVE TO GET Y'ALL'S THOUGHTS ONE MORE TIME ON THIS SORT OF FACADE OF THE C UNIT.
I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS, RIGHT, WHICH YOU'RE GOING TO BE FACING AT EAST HOWARD.
NO. ESTHETICS ARE ESTHETICS ARE IMPORTANT.
ESPECIALLY SOMETHING THAT LARGE.
I MEAN, WHAT THRESHOLD OR CHANGE WOULD COULD WE DESCRIBE THAT? WOULD I MEAN, THE AREAS AROUND THIS BRIDGE.
I MEAN, IF YOU LOOK AT NATURAL BUILDING MATERIALS IN OUR AREA, IT'S BRICK.
YOU KNOW, THERE'S AND THERE'S BRICK ELEMENTS ON OTHER ASPECTS OF THIS.
YEAH. I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF MATERIALS WITH ANY THAT THEY COULD DRAW FROM IS A BRICK.
YEAH. THERE'S SOME THERE'S THERE'S WOOD ACCENTS.
I MEAN, I WOULD JUST TRY TO USE ELEMENTS FROM THIS.
I DON'T KNOW. WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? YEAH, I MEAN, WE THE COOL THING ABOUT IS CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IS WE CAN PUT ALL KINDS OF CAVEATS ON, FOR BETTER OR WORSE.
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SO YOU WERE MENTIONING UNIT C THERE AT THE CORNER OF CHURCH AND HOWARD, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH. SO IN ARTICLE TWO OF OUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE, THERE ARE TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS AND LIMITATIONS ON BLANK WALL AREA.AND SO WHEN THIS GOES THROUGH THE ZONING REVIEW, WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT MAKING SURE THAT THOSE FACADES THAT FACE A PUBLIC STREET MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS.
ONE THING I WILL POINT OUT IS THAT DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET IS THE RAILROAD.
AND SO, I DON'T KNOW, REQUIRING ADDITIONAL WINDOWS AND OPENINGS MAY NOT BE ALL THAT GREAT, BUT I'M LESS FOCUSED ON OPENINGS AND MORE JUST MATERIAL DIFFERENTIATION.
SO IT'S NOT JUST SUCH A LONG, BLANK FACADE, BUT YOUR POINT IS WELL TAKEN.
I UNDERSTAND THE DEVELOPER HAS INDICATED THAT THEY'RE GOING TO PRESERVE THE TREES.
THE PLAN IS TO PRESERVE ALL OF THE HEALTHY TREES.
CAN WE ADD SOMETHING TO PRECLUDE THE USE OF THE THE TREE COMPENSATION FEE IN LIEU OF PRESERVATION OF TREES.
WOULD YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? THE BASICALLY THE TREE CANOPY COVERAGE MUST BE MET FULLY ON SITE WITH NO USE OF THE TREE BANK.
THANK YOU. THAT'S VERY CONCISE.
I SUPPORT THAT, I THINK, YES, I MEAN, IT'S WHETHER THE PROPOSED USE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ZONING DISTRICT IN WHICH THE USE IS PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED.
YEAH. I MEAN, AS MR. WALLACE POINTED OUT, THEIR TOWNHOUSE, TOWNHOMES ON THE OTHER SIDE OF CHURCH STREET, FURTHER UP.
THEY'RE NOT 50FT TALL, THOUGH.
I THINK HE'S REFERRING TO THE ONES NEAR CLOSER TOWARDS TRINITY.
OH. COPS OUTSIDE SET THE CORNER OF HOWARD.
IF YOU GO UP CHURCH STREET TOWARDS TRINITY CHURCH.
OH, OKAY. I KNOW THAT ONE. THEY'VE BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE.
THEY'RE BASICALLY THE THEY'RE THIS WITHOUT THE TOP PART.
WHETHER THE PROPOSED USE RESULTS IN A USE WHICH WILL OR COULD CAUSE AN EXCESSIVE OR BURDENSOME USE OF EXISTING STREETS, TRANSPORTATION FACILITIES, UTILITIES, OR OTHER PUBLIC FACILITIES.
I MEAN THAT, RIGHT? I DON'T THINK IT DOES.
I MEAN, IT'S GOING TO PUT A LOT.
I MEAN, AND JUST HOPE NO ONE'S COMING THE OTHER WAY, WHICH THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SEE.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT'S REALITY IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN, BUT.
BUT THAT'S THE ONLY REALLY IMPACT.
AND NUMBER FIVE IS WHETHER THERE IS ADEQUATE INGRESS AND EGRESS.
KIND OF RELATED TO THAT DISCUSSION TO THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, INCLUDING EVALUATION OF THE TRAFFIC, IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED USE AND STREET CAPACITY. IT'S SIGNIFICANT, WHICH IS 12 CARS.
SO IT'S ACCESSIBLE AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS DOES NOT CREATE THAT MUCH.
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YEAH. TRAFFIC.AND FINALLY WHETHER THERE ARE OTHER EXISTING OR CHANGING CONDITIONS, WHICH BECAUSE OF THEIR IMPACT ON THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, MORALITY AND GENERAL WELFARE OF THE COMMUNITY, GIVE SUPPORTING GROUNDS FOR EITHER APPROVAL OR DISAPPROVAL.
SO WHAT I HAVE IS A POSSIBLE MOTION TO APPROVE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.
WITH THE EXISTING ORDINANCE ADDING.
WHEREAS ALL FOUR CONDITIONS OF THE INCLUSIONARY HOUSING ORDINANCE MUST BE MET.
I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN EXACTLY WHAT YOU SAID, SO CORRECT ME.
WHEREAS THE TREE CANOPY COVERAGE MUST BE MET.
AND THEN I WROTE WITHOUT USING THE TREE BANK.
YEAH. FULLY ON SITE, FULLY ON SITE.
GONNA OFFER SOME INFORMATION ON THAT PERSPECTIVE.
WE WE WERE ASKED BY THE CITY PLANNERS AND JENNINGS BELL TO ALIGN THIS SIDEWALK.
SO YOUR PLAN, THE TREES THAT ARE DEPICTED THERE ARE THOSE THE REPLACEMENTS? THOSE ARE NEW TREES, RIGHT? YEAH. THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE THE SIDEWALK WORK, THE WAY THAT THE CITY STAFF WANTS IT TO WORK, IS TO REMOVE THOSE TREES.
YEAH. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT SAYING YOU CAN'T DO THAT.
WE'RE JUST SAYING. YOU'RE SAYING YOU HAVE TO PLANT NEW TREES.
YOU GOT TO MAKE SURE I DON'T, I DON'T, I JUST I DON'T WANT THAT TO BE HELD AGAINST US.
YEAH, YEAH. NO CUTTING DOWN TREES.
THOSE ELMS THAT THEY'RE NOT FULLY MATURE.
I DON'T KNOW HOW RECENTLY THEY'VE BEEN PUT IN.
THERE WAS A VERY MATURE TREE DOWN AT THE SOUTH EAST CORNER THAT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE.
THAT WAS REMOVED IN THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SOMETHING TO TRY TO KEEP.
SO WHAT WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, THEY COULD MOVE FORWARD AND DROP FROM THE 12 UNITS TO 11.
I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF THAT WOULD, UNLESS THEY MAKE THAT ALSO A TWO CAR GARAGE.
TO SAY THAT IT'S SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR.
I'M NOT SURE THAT JUST DROPPING AND LEAVING.
NO, THEY WOULD HAVE THEY'D HAVE TO MAKE IT WIDER.
BUT WE WOULD, WE WOULD GO FROM 12 TO 11 IF THERE WERE OTHER UNITS IN HERE THAT HAD ONE CAR GARAGE AS WELL, THEN I WOULD THINK, I THINK THE CASE COULD BE MADE THAT THEY'RE SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR.
BUT YEAH, THEY'D HAVE TO BASICALLY REPLICATE A UNIT B STYLE.
YEAH. OR, OR INTERSPERSE A COUPLE OF THE WHICH WOULD ACTUALLY HELP THEM.
SO OUR OTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO I AGREE THAT WE DEFER THIS.
OR ASK IF THE APPLICANT IS WILLING TO.
LOOK AT THOSE ISSUES AND COME BACK.
WE CAN CERTAINLY ASK IF THE DEFER OR DENY OR RECOMMEND NON-APPROVAL WITH THESE CAVEATS? OR IS THE APPLICANT WILLING TO EXCEPT? ACTUALLY. SO WITH THIS NO CONSENSUS ON THE STUCCO, THOUGH.
YEAH, I KNOW I AGREE WITH YOU, MARK, THAT I WOULD LIKE TO PUT SOMETHING IN THERE ABOUT ENHANCING THE FACADE ON THE SOUTH FACADE ON UNIT C6 TO BE MORE SIMILAR TO THE FRONT FACING FACADES OF ALL OF THE OTHER UNITS TO UTILIZE THE BECAUSE IT IS FRONT FACING AND HOWARD UTILIZE THE CURRENT, YOU KNOW, THE ARCHITECTURAL PALETTE.
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YEAH. SO SO YOU'RE LOOKING FOR TO REPLICATE SOMETHING ALSO ONE OF THE OTHER ELEVATIONS.THIS WALL IS JUST, YOU KNOW, JUST VERY FLAT AND VERY, YOU KNOW UNARTICULATED WITH, YOU KNOW, WHAT I PERCEIVE, I GUESS I THINK IT'S FAIR TO SAY THE MARKET PERCEIVES AS AN INFERIOR MATERIAL.
TO ME, THAT SEEMS LIKE A LITTLE BIT OF AN OVERSTEP OF OUR OBLIGATIONS.
FOR THIS BOARD AND IF THE MARKET DECIDES THAT IT'S NOT ADEQUATE, THEN.
I THINK, THOUGH I CONCUR WITH JASON.
I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO.
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT APPROVAL PROCESS.
PUT SOME REQUIREMENTS ON THAT WILL ULTIMATELY IMPROVE IT FROM A COMMUNITY STANDPOINT.
MANAGING ASPECTS OF THAT GO BEYOND THE ORDINANCES.
I HOPE THE APPLICANT TAKES INTO CONSIDERATION WHAT'S BEING SAID.
DO WE HAVE A MOTION? I'M GOING TO READ IT ONE MORE TIME.
AND WHEREAS THE TREE CANOPY COVERAGE MUST BE MET FULLY ON SITE WITHOUT USING THE TREE BANK.
I MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE ORDINANCE, AS AMENDED.
DO WE HAVE A SECOND? A MOTION IS ON THE TABLE.
THEN MOVING ON TO THE SECOND IS THE.
[III.b. Andrew Rutledge with Office of Design has requested a special exception height variance from 40 feet (max.) to 50 feet for townhomes at 111 Church Street.]
40FT TO 50FT.AND THERE ARE ALSO SOME CONSIDERATIONS FOR A HEIGHT REQUIREMENT EXCEPTION.
AND THE IMPACT ON PUBLIC SAFETY TRAFFIC ON THE PUBLIC STREETS, TRANSPORTATION, THE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED EXCEPTION ON ESTABLISHED PROPERTY VALUES ON THE HEALTH, SAFETY, COMFORT AND GENERAL WELFARE, AND ANY ADDITIONAL CRITERIA SET FORTH IN THE SECTION AUTHORIZING THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION.
SO CONSIDERATIONS AS LISTED ON THE STAFF REPORT USES AND HEIGHTS OF ADJACENT OR NEARBY BUILDINGS.
LISTED TWICE, IN FACT, THAT THE PROPOSED BUILDING WILL HAVE ON THE ESTABLISHED PROPERTY VALUES.
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IT WILL SIGNIFICANTLY SHADE.WITH THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE NORTH.
DRAMATICALLY SO BECAUSE YOU HAVE 50FT AT A THREE FOOT SETBACK.
THEY WON'T EVEN SEE THE SUN ON THE WINTER SOLSTICE.
WILL COMPLETELY BLOCK THE SUN.
SO WORST CASE, IT'S THE WORST CASE.
NOT SURE THIS IS A QUESTION FOR ANGELA CASEY, BUT IF BY RIGHT, IF THEY WERE TO BUILD A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, IS THERE A SETBACK REQUIREMENT ABOVE THE 40FT? 50FT? LIKE, WHAT'S THE THRESHOLD AT WHICH A SETBACK REQUIREMENT MIGHT APPLY? THAT ONLY APPLIES WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT IS ADJACENT TO A RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICT.
OTHERWISE IT WOULD BE LIKE THE ARLO AND IT CAN CONTINUE UP 80FT.
OKAY. YEAH. WHICH IS THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT? YES.
IN YOUR OPINION, JOHN? WOULD. THESE TOWNHOMES, AT THE HEIGHT OF 40FT HAVE THE SAME EFFECT ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY? ON.
DON'T BLOCK THE SUN ON THE WINTER SOLSTICE AT THE FAR END OF THAT PROPERTY.
AND THE SUN ANGLE ON THE WINTER SOLSTICE IS 33 DEGREES.
BUT TO THE POINT IF TOWNHOMES WEREN'T BEING BUILT HERE WITH A CONDITIONAL USE, IT COULD BE 80FT. THE ADJACENT PROPERTY IS NOT A RESIDENCE.
VACATION PROPERTY COULD BECOME A DEFEAT.
THAT'S TRUE, MR. RUTLEDGE. IF YOU WOULD IF YOU'D LOOK AT ELEVATION TWO, THE ONE FACING HOWARD STREET, WHICH I THINK OR YOU CAN LOOK AT ELEVATION ONE.
THE VERTICAL ELEMENT THAT'S ON THE FRONT FACE OF THAT, OF THE BUILDING.
WHAT'S THE PEAK HEIGHT OF THAT? WHAT'S THE TOP HEIGHT OF THAT? 50FT? THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING THE ONE.
THE ONE FOR UNITS B, THE VERTICAL ELEMENT OF THE VERTICAL WALL.
I CAN I CAN POINT IT TO YOU IF YOU CAN SEE TALKING ABOUT THAT RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S WHAT I WAS SAYING WAS 42.
YEAH. BECAUSE IF THERE'S OCCUPATION ON THAT ROOF, WE HAVE TO HAVE A 42 INCH TALL GUARDRAIL.
I REALLY WISH YOU HAD DONE AN ELEVATION LIKE THAT, BY THE WAY.
THAT SHOWED A PEDESTRIAN STANDING ON THE SIDEWALK NEXT TO THE BUILDING.
THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN VERY HELPFUL.
REFERENCE THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR.
IT'S JUST NOT. THAT'S NOT HELPFUL, BY THE WAY.
WE'RE NOT A BIRD. JUST SAYING SORRY DIDN'T APPEASE YOU.
TWO FOOT HIGH. SIX FOOT TALL PERSON.
BACK IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SIDEWALK.
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FOR SOME ANGLES.IS THERE ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THE 40 TO 50FT? ANY AMENDMENTS TO THIS OR IS IT JUST.
HAS ANYBODY PROPOSED ANY? NO. NO AMENDMENTS.
UNLESS ANYBODY HAS ANY TO PROPOSE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE AS DRAFTED.
AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? ONE OPPOSED, ANY ABSTAINED.
[IV.a. Next meeting: April 9, 2024.]
WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING IN APRIL.WHICH SMARTIES WILL BE BACK BEFORE US? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY.
OH. MEETING ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.