Jun 10, 2025 Planning Commission

[I. Call to Order.]

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GOOD EVENING, EVERYBODY. WELL, WELCOME GLAD YOU'RE HERE.

THIS IS A REGULAR MEETING OF THE DECATUR PLANNING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, JUNE 10TH, 2025.

MY NAME IS JOHN MCFARLAND, AND I WILL BE CHAIRING THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING FOR A PERIOD OF TIME.

MORE TO COME ON THAT. THIS IS A SEVEN MEMBER COMMISSION OF DECATUR RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION.

THIS COMMISSION HEARS APPLICATIONS FOR LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGES, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, AND LAND SUBDIVISIONS. IT ALSO REVIEWS AND RECOMMENDS CHANGES TO THE CITY'S ZONING REGULATIONS AND FUTURE LAND USE PLANS.

I WILL ACQUAINT YOU WITH THE PROCEDURES THIS COMMISSION FOLLOWS IN THE CONDUCT OF ITS MEETINGS.

WE HEAR APPLICATIONS TONIGHT IN THE ORDER THEY ARE LISTED ON THE PRINTED AGENDA.

APPLICANTS ARE GIVEN TIME TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WHEN THEIR APPLICATION IS CALLED.

SUPPORTING AND OPPOSING PARTIES ARE ALSO GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THEIR REMARCS TO THE COMMISSION.

PLEASE BE SURE TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR REMARCS.

SINCE THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE APPLICANT TO CONVINCE THE COMMISSION TO VOTE IN THEIR FAVOR APPLICANTS ARE ALSO ALLOWED TO PRESENT REBUTTAL TO ANY OPPOSITION AGAINST THEM.

OPPOSING PARTIES ARE NOT GRANTED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL.

WHILE WE DO NOT FORMALLY LIMIT THE TIME FOR MULTIPLE PARTIES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO AN APPLICATION, WE DO ASK SPEAKERS TO REFRAIN FROM SPENDING TIME REPEATING ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED.

INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS ARE ALSO ASKED TO BE AS CONCISE AS THEY CAN WHEN MAKING THEIR REMARCS.

ONCE ALL INTERESTED PARTIES HAVE BEEN HEARD, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE APPLICATION.

PLEASE REFRAIN FROM ANY APPLAUSE OR DIALOG DURING OR AFTER PRESENTATIONS.

ALL REMARCS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE COMMISSION AND WE ASK YOU TO REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING ANYONE ELSE DIRECTLY.

PLEASE SHOW THE SAME RESPECT TO ANYONE WHO IS SPEAKING THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO RECEIVE YOURSELF.

THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS ON ALL APPLICATIONS TO THE CITY COMMISSION, WHICH HAS FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY ON THESE CASES.

WE ARE SUPPORTED THIS EVENING BY OUR PLANNER, KC KRZIC.

AT THIS TIME, I'LL ASK MY FELLOW PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH MY FAR LEFT.

HELLO, CHRIS SCIARRONE. JASON FRIEDLANDER. HEY, GOOD EVENING, MARC BRAMBRUT.

ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON. SO WE NEED TO APPROVE OR RE APPROVE THE DECEMBER 10TH, 2024 MEETING MINUTES.

[II.a. December 10, 2024 regular scheduled meeting]

UNDERSTOOD. CAN I IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES AS PRESENTED? MOVE TO APPROVE THE DECEMBER 10TH MINUTES. SECOND.

SECOND. THANK YOU. JASON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. AYE. ABSTAIN. ANY NO'S? NO NO'S. OKAY. THAT PASSES.

THANK YOU. MOVING ON TO SECOND ITEM ON OUR AGENDA, WHICH IS A REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF OUR APRIL 15TH,

[II.b. April 15, 2025 regular scheduled meeting]

YEAH, I REALLY DON'T WANT TO BELABOR, AND I DON'T USUALLY NITPICK THE MEETING MINUTES, BUT IF I COULD JUST ADD ONE SENTENCE TO THE BOTTOM OF PAGE TWO, THE LAST PARAGRAPH JUST SAY THIS IS IN YOUR INBOX, BUT I'LL READ IT FOR THE RECORD.

IT WAS NOTED THAT LEASE AGREEMENTS SHOULD CLEARLY DEFINE THE BOUNDARIES OF THE LEASED PREMISES TO DISTINGUISH PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL AREAS FROM PUBLIC PARK SPACE, PARTICULARLY PARTICULARLY TO ENSURE THAT ANY PERMITTED USE OF ALCOHOL REMAINS CONFINED TO THE LEASED RESIDENCES AND DOES NOT EXTEND TO THE ADJACENT PUBLIC AREAS.

I THINK THAT CAPTURES THE INTENT OF THE CONVERSATION. YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH THAT? OKAY? YEP. OKAY.

ANY OTHER COMMENTS TO THE MINUTES? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. ALL RIGHT. JASON. SECOND.

SECOND CHRIS. ANY FURTHER COMMENTS? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. ALL RIGHT. SINCE ALL PRESENT VOTED AYE. THAT NOW HAS BEEN APPROVED.

FANTASTIC. WE DON'T HAVE ANY UNFINISHED BUSINESS.

[III. Unfinished Business.]

OKAY. SO WE'LL COME BACK HERE. IT WON'T COME BACK TO YOU ALL FOR ANY TYPE OF TRUE VOTE.

OKAY. BUT WE'LL GET YOU A COPY WHEN IT'S FINALIZED.

FANTASTIC. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. AT THIS POINT, WE'RE GOING TO MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS.

[IV.a. Falak Alam, with Goodwyn Mills and Cawood, on behalf of the City Schools of Decatur, is requesting the approval of a Comprehensive Site Development Plan for the construction of a day care and learning center for children 0-4 years old with supplemental administration offices at 346 West Trinity Place.]

SO I'M GOING TO TURN THE CHAIR OVER TO JASON FOR THE REMAINDER OF OR FOR THAT PORTION OF THE MEETING.

AND THEN I'LL COME BACK AND CLOSE IT UP. SO, JASON, THE GAVEL IS YOURS.

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OKAY. HI GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS SHAWN HAMLIN.

I'M AN ARCHITECT WITH GOODWYN MILLS CAWOOD. I LEAD THEIR EDUCATIONAL PRACTICE GROUP.

WITH ME TODAY IS [INAUDIBLE], WHO'S GOING TO BE THE PROJECT ARCHITECT AND ALAN WIECZYNSKI WITH BREEDLOVE LAND PLANNING.

AND WE'RE HERE TO TALK ABOUT 346 WEST TRINITY PLACE AND THE APPLICATION FOR AN EARLY CHILDHOOD LEARNING CENTER FOR THE CITY SCHOOLS OF DECATUR.

I ALSO HAVE SEVERAL MEMBERS FROM THE CITY SCHOOLS OF DECATUR OVER HERE THAT ARE IN IN THAT ARE ATTENDING TODAY AS WELL.

SO RIGHT NOW GOODWYN, MILLS, CAWOOD GMC IS THE ARCHITECTURE GROUP REPRESENTING THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IN APPLYING FOR THIS APPLICATION FOR ZONING. AND I KNOW THAT WE'RE APPLYING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN A C-2 PROPERTY.

SO WE KNOW THAT RIGHT NOW, WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS A EARLY CHILDHOOD LEARNING CENTER THAT'S APPROXIMATELY 35,000FT² SERVING ABOUT 134 CHILDREN AGES INFANT TO FOUR YEAR OLD.

KNOWING THAT THERE'S PROBABLY ABOUT 12 CLASSROOMS AND SOME EDUCATIONAL AND ADMINISTRATIVE SUPPORT SPACES TO PROVIDE FOR THAT SPACE.

THE SITE DEVELOPMENT TAKES UP ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF THE SITE.

THE, YOU KNOW, AND THE DESIGN WAS DEVELOPED THROUGH A VERY ARDUOUS PLANNING PROCESS WITH MEMBERS OF THE DECATUR HOUSING AUTHORITY CITY SCHOOLS OF DECATUR, PARENTS AND OTHER COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS THAT KIND OF LED TO THE FULL SCHEMATIC DESIGN PROCESS.

SO RIGHT NOW I'LL BRING UP ALAN WITH BREEDLOVE TO TALK MORE ABOUT THE THE SITE PLAN PRESENTED.

THANKS, SHAWN. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. I'M ALAN WIECZYNSKI.

I'M A PRINCIPAL WITH BREEDLOVE LAND PLANNING. WE'RE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS, CIVIL ENGINEERS. I'M HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SITE. WE HAVE A LONG RELATIONSHIP WORKING WITH THE CITY SCHOOL SYSTEM. FOR 30 YEARS, MY COMPANY'S BEEN INVOLVED, I THINK, ON EVERY CAMPUS FOR CSD.

WE'VE ALSO DONE WORK DIRECTLY FOR THE CITY, MOST RECENTLY LEGACY PARK, WHICH WAS A JOINT VENTURE BETWEEN THE TWO ENTITIES.

SO EXCITED TO BE PART OF THIS PROJECT. I AM A DECATUR RESIDENT.

I HAVE TWINS IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM GOING TO MIDDLE SCHOOL SOMEHOW NEXT YEAR.

I'M ALSO A DOWNTOWN DECATUR RESIDENT AS WELL, SO I HAVE FOND MEMORIES OF MY KIDS WERE GOING TO SCHOOL AT A, YOU KNOW, PRESCHOOL AT FIRST BAPTIST. YOU KNOW, I'D COME HOME FROM WORK, I'D GET THE EMPTY STROLLER AND I'D TAKE TAKE THAT EMPTY STROLLER THROUGH THE STREETS OF DECATUR TO PICK THEM UP AND BRING THEM BACK. THEY'RE SOME OF MY FONDEST MEMORIES I HAVE AS A DAD, AND I SEE THE SAME THING HAPPENING WITH THIS FACILITY FOR THE RESIDENTS OF DOWNTOWN AS WELL. SO THE FIRST EXHIBIT IS JUST AN AERIAL OF THE SITE.

JUST TO ORIENT YOU TO THE LEFT OF THE PAGE IS ELECTRIC AVENUE THAT'S TO THE WEST, NORTH TRINITY TO THE EAST.

TO THE RIGHT IS COMMERCE, TO THE SOUTH IS I GUESS IT'S A DE FACTO CITY STREET, BUT I'LL EXPLAIN THAT IN A SECOND, A CUT THROUGH THAT TAKES YOU FROM COMMERCE OVER TO ELECTRIC.

THE SECOND PAGE IS A GROUND RUN SURVEY OF THE SITE THAT YOU CAN SEE.

IT GOES FROM THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY INTO THE SITE ITSELF.

THE SITE IS ABOUT 2.87 ACRES IN SIZE. AND IT'S INTERESTING, SOMETHING I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND ABOUT THIS SITE UNTIL WE GOT THE SURVEY, IS THAT THAT ROAD TO THE SOUTH, IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A PUBLIC STREET, BUT THE EAST PORTION OF IT IS ACTUALLY OWNED BY THE DECATUR HOUSING AUTHORITY, WHERE YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE PARKING. AND THEN THAT PORTION TO THE WEST IS OWNED BY THE CITY SCHOOL SYSTEM.

SO IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S A CITY STREET, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT.

SOME OTHER INTERESTING THINGS ABOUT THE SITE. I DON'T THINK THIS WILL COME TO A SURPRISE ANY DECATUR RESIDENT ELECTRIC AVENUE IS EXTREMELY NARROW.

IT'S KIND OF ARDUOUS TO DRIVE THROUGH, SOMETIMES HARROWING.

THAT'S THE ROAD OVER ON THE WEST SIDE. AND THEN THIS SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY DECATUR HOUSING AUTHORITY PROPERTY.

THERE WAS A SERIES OF BUILDINGS ON THIS PROPERTY THAT WERE DEMOLISHED SOME TIME AGO.

SO WHEN YOU GO OUT TO THE SITE, YOU SEE A LOT OF THE OLD FOUNDATION WALLS THAT ARE STILL IN PLACE WITH TREES THAT HAVE KIND OF HAVE BEEN ROOT BOUND, PARTICULARLY AGAINST TRINITY.

WHEN THOSE BUILDINGS CAME OUT, SOME OF THOSE TREES STAYED IN PLACE.

THE NEXT EXHIBIT THAT WE HAVE IS A THIRD PARTY ARBORIST REPORT.

WE WENT AHEAD AND HIRED ARBOR GUARD TO DO AN ASSESSMENT OF THE TREES.

SO WHAT WE'VE DONE HERE IS PROVIDED A COPY OF THEIR REPORT THEY'VE GONE THROUGH AND IDENTIFIED WHICH TREES ARE DEAD.

THERE'S TWO OF THEM. TREES IN POOR CONDITION, FAIR CONDITION AND GOOD.

FOR THE SAKE OF THIS COMMISSION, WE WENT AHEAD AND JUST COLOR CODED THAT EXHIBIT SO YOU CAN QUICKLY SEE THE GREEN OF TREES THAT ARE HEALTHY, ORANGE ARE TREES IN FAIR CONDITION, RED ARE POOR.

AND THEN THE TWO DEAD TREES ARE IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE. I BRING THIS EXHIBIT UP JUST SO ONE, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT WE'RE TAKING TREE PROTECTION VERY SERIOUSLY.

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THEY HAVE NO OBJECTIONS TO ARBOR GUARD'S FINDINGS.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS EXHIBIT, IF YOU HAD TO MAKE ONE RECOMMENDATION, IT WOULD BE, WELL, MAYBE YOU SHOULD PUT THE THE BUILDING UP IN THE THE TOP LEFT CORNER OF THE SITE. IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE THE AREA FOR LESS TREE IMPACTS.

AND IN FACT, THAT'S WHAT WE'VE DONE IN THE SITE PLAN. KAY IS HERE, I APPRECIATE HER GUIDANCE ON THIS PROJECT.

SHE HAS RECOMMENDED THE RELOCATION OF FIVE TREES THAT ARE SMALLER ON THE SITE TO AN AREA THAT'S GOING TO BE PRESERVED FOR GREEN SPACE THAT WILL KEEP THE SITE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE CITY'S TREE ORDINANCE. WE VETTED THAT WITH OUR CLIENT.

THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAVE AGREED THAT THAT'S A GOOD APPROACH, SOMETHING THAT WILL TACKLE IN THE FALL WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT. ALL RIGHT.

THE NEXT PAGE IS OUR ILLUSTRATIVE SITE PLAN, WHICH SHOWS THE POSITION OF THE BUILDING ON THE SITE.

I'LL KIND OF GIVE YOU THE BIG PICTURE AND THEN WALK THROUGH A COUPLE SPECIFICS I THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO NOTE. THE MEDIA CENTER PORTION OF THE BUILDING IS ANCHORED TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE SITE. SO THAT'S THE CORNER OF ELECTRIC AND WEST TRINITY PLACE.

THE ELEVATION OF THE BUILDING THERE IS A LITTLE HIGHER THAN THE REST OF THE BUILDING, AND THERE'S A ENTRANCE THAT READS LIKE A FRONT DOOR ON THAT PORTION OF THE BUILDING ITSELF. REALLY, MOST USERS OF THE BUILDING WILL BE ENTERING FROM THE SOUTH.

THAT'S WHERE THE PARKING LOT IS. THAT'S WHERE YOU'LL HAVE A SECURED VESTIBULE.

SAFETY IS OBVIOUSLY PARAMOUNT FOR A FACILITY LIKE THIS.

THAT'S WHERE ALL VISITOR STAFF PARENTS WILL BE ENTERING THE BUILDING. THROUGH THAT AREA.

THAT WILL BE THE LOADING AND UNLOADING AREA FOR NOT ONLY YOU KNOW, PARENTS WHO ARE TAKING THOSE STROLLERS OR BIKES OR TAKING VEHICLES THEY'LL BE ENTERING RIGHT THERE. THERE'S A LONG CANOPY IN CASE OF RAIN EVENTS OR PROVIDE SHADE AND THAT DROP OFF AREA AT THAT DOOR.

WE'VE ALSO PROVIDED BIKE PARKING AND STROLLER PARKING AS A COURTESY.

THE PARKING IS TO THE SOUTH, WHICH I'LL COVER IN A SECOND. IN THE MIDDLE OF THE BUILDING WILL BE A SECURE COURTYARD TO MEET THE EARLY LEARNING CENTER EDUCATION NEEDS.

WE'RE STILL WORKING THROUGH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THAT, BUT WE'RE HONING IN ON AN INTERESTING THEME.

I THINK MOST PEOPLE KNOW THAT THE TRAIN TRACKS IN DECATUR ARE THE EASTERN CONTINENTAL DIVIDE. SO IT'S A WATERSHED THAT ON THIS SIDE OF DECATUR, WATER FLOWS TO THE GULF OF MEXICO. THE OTHER SIDE GOES TO THE ATLANTIC.

WE'RE USING THAT AS A THEME TO INTEGRATE INTO THIS COURTYARD THAT DOESN'T SHOW UP HERE.

BUT THIS ALL THE POINT IS, IT'S AS MUCH OF AN OUTDOOR LEARNING CLASSROOM AS IT WILL BE A PLAYGROUND.

OVER TO THE EAST, YOU CAN SEE THAT THERE'S A OPEN SPACE THAT IS BEING PRESERVED.

IT'S ABOUT 32,000FT², A LITTLE BIT OVER ABOUT 0.74 ACRES.

THERE'S A DOOR TO THE BUILDING THAT IF THERE'S EVENTS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THE CAFETERIA OR THE MULTI-USE SPACE AFTER HOURS THAT CAN BE OPENED UP TO THE PUBLIC SO THAT PEOPLE CAN COME TO THAT ENTRANCE WITHOUT HAVING TO GO THROUGH THE EARLY LEARNING CENTER, ACADEMIC CORRIDORS.

THE WAY THAT WE'VE DESIGNED THE VEHICULAR CIRCULATION FOR THE SITE IS TO KEEP IT CLOCKWISE.

SO THE IDEA IS THAT WHEN VEHICLES ARE COMING INTO THE SITE, THEY'LL ENTER FROM THE SOUTHEAST OFF OF COMMERCE.

THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS ENTERING INTO A SHARED USE AGREEMENT WITH THE ATLANTA, SORRY, DECATUR HOUSING AUTHORITY, SO THAT VEHICLES WILL COME IN THROUGH THAT PARKING AREA. THEN THERE'LL BE A ONE WAY CIRCULATION PATTERN TO GET VEHICLES UP INTO THE BUILDING WHERE THERE'S A LOADING DOCK OVER TO THE STRAIGHT AHEAD AND SORT OF TO THE RIGHT.

VEHICLES WILL TAKE A LEFT INTO THOSE PARKING SPACES WHERE THE ADA PARKING, PARENT PARKING, VISITOR PARKING WILL BE, AS WELL AS SOME STAFF PARKING. WE'VE MAINTAINED A GENEROUS DRIVE WIDTH THROUGH THERE.

SO ALTHOUGH IT'S ONE WAY YOU COULD POTENTIALLY FACILITATE TWO VEHICLES PASSING EACH OTHER, WHICH IS A GOOD IDEA FOR A LOT OF LOADING AND UNLOADING AT A EARLY LEARNING CENTER.

ALL THE VEHICLES THEN WOULD EXIT OUT TO THE SITE ONTO ELECTRIC AVENUE.

WE HAVE PROPOSED THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS ABSORBING THIS COST AS PART OF THIS PROPOSAL TO ACTUALLY WIDEN ELECTRIC AVENUE, PUSH THAT CURB OVER TO THE EAST ABOUT SIX FEET, PRESERVE THE ON STREET PARKING THAT'S AGAINST WEBSTER GYM, GET TWO PROPER TRAVEL LANES RUNNING NORTH SOUTH ALONG ELECTRIC.

AND THEN THERE'S A FEW PARKING SPACES YOU SEE THAT ARE BEING PROPOSED ON THE EARLY LEARNING CENTER SIDE OF THAT CURB WITH SOME BULB OUTS TO PROTECT THEM.

SO THERE ARE OBVIOUSLY A LOT OF CONCERNS ABOUT ELECTRIC AVENUE.

I THINK THIS IS A GENEROUS GESTURE FROM THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO IMPROVE THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY IN THIS AREA.

AS YOU WORK UP TO THAT CORNER AGAIN, YOU SEE ONE OF THE SUGGESTIONS THAT THE CITY HAD THAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM HAS IMPLEMENTED IS A BULB OUT IN THE CURB.

SO THAT BULB OUT WOULD ALLOW A WIDER PEDESTRIAN LANDING PLACE FOR A LOT OF THE PARENTS WHO WILL BE WALKING FROM TRINITY WALK AND SOME OF THE HOUSING THAT'S OVER TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE SITE. THAT BULB OUT WOULD GO UP TO THE EXISTING BIKE LANE THAT RUNS ALONG TRINITY AVENUE.

WE'RE PROPOSING TO PRESERVE THE ON STREET PARKING ALONG TRINITY FROM ELECTRIC ALL THE WAY TO COMMERCE.

THE STREETSCAPE WILL MEET CITY DOWNTOWN STANDARDS FIVE FOOT PLANTING STRIPS, SIX FOOT SIDEWALK.

BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE BUILDING UNDULATES A LITTLE BIT, THERE'LL BE TIMES WHEN THAT SIDEWALK IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE BIT WIDER. BUT ALONG ELECTRIC AND WEST TRINITY, FULL STREETSCAPE IMPLEMENTATION WITH FURNITURE ZONES, LIGHTING TREES AND ALL THAT.

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WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THE OPEN SPACE ON THIS CAMPUS, THAT'S ABOUT 0.74 ACRES, ABOUT THREE QUARTER ACRES.

THE PUBLIC STREETSCAPE ITSELF, OF COURSE, WILL BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

THAT'S A PUBLIC AMENITY. THAT'S ABOUT 0.19 ACRES TO THE SOUTH OF THE PARKING LOT.

THERE'S ANOTHER GREEN SPACE THAT ABUTS THE APARTMENTS TO THE SOUTH.

WE'RE PROPOSING A RAIN GARDEN THERE, SOME BIO RETENTION, BUT THAT WILL ALSO BE ANOTHER OPEN SPACE DESIGNED TO FACILITATE PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC FROM ELECTRIC OVER TO COMMERCE, WITHOUT HAVING TO CROSS THROUGH THE SCHOOL CAMPUS.

THAT'S ABOUT 0.17 ACRES OF SPACE. SO ALL TOLD, YOU ADDED UP.

ABOUT 38% OF THE SITE IS GOING TO BE PRESERVED AS PUBLIC ACCESS OPEN SPACE WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE TOTALITY OF THE ACREAGE OF THE ENTIRE SITE.

STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, IT ALWAYS COMES UP IN THESE MEETINGS.

THE DRAINAGE BASIN RUNS FROM THE NORTHEAST TO THE SOUTHWEST.

WE ARE PROPOSING THAT RAIN GARDEN I JUST TALKED ABOUT POROUS PAVER PARKING LOT, WHICH HELPS US MEET SOME OF THE LEED CREDITS.

THIS WILL BE A LEED ACCREDITED BUILDING. UNDERNEATH THAT PARKING LOT AS WELL WILL BE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITY THAT CAPTURES ALL THE RAINWATER FROM THE ROOF AND THE SITE.

THE WATER WILL PERCOLATE THROUGH THOSE POROUS PAVERS INTO THAT CHAMBER, INFILTRATE INTO THE SOIL.

OUR GOAL IS TO PROVIDE ONE INCH OF INFILTRATION FOR ALL THE RAIN THAT FALLS ON ANY IMPERVIOUS SURFACE ON THE SITE.

FORCE THAT INTO THE GROUND, AND THEN, IN SEVERE RAIN EVENTS, ALL THE STORMWATER WILL GO UNDERGROUND TO THE CITY'S VAULT OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

SO THAT IS THE SITE IN A NUTSHELL. I'M SORRY.

ONE LAST THING. THE LOADING, THE THE LOADING.

SORRY. THE SERVICE AREA AT THE SOUTH EAST CORNER OF THE BUILDING.

EVERY SCHOOL HAS TO HAVE A PLACE FOR DUMPSTERS, GENERATORS, THE BIG UGLY STUFF THAT MAKES BUILDINGS GROW.

WE'VE TUCKED IT INTO THAT CORNER OF THAT BUILDING, SOUTHEAST CORNER, SOUTH OF THE CAFETERIA AND WE'VE INTRODUCED A FREESTANDING SCREEN WALL COMING OUT OF THAT BUILDING, WORKING ITS WAY AROUND THAT LOAD, THAT LOADING AREA AND UTILITY AREA.

SO THAT FOR THE PUBLIC, WHEN THEY'RE ON THE GREENSPACE SIDE OR YOU'RE OVER ON COMMERCE, YOU'LL NEVER GET A CLEAR VIEW OF THAT SERVICE AREA, IT WILL BE BLOCKED. SO HAPPY TO TAKE QUESTIONS AFTERWARDS.

SHAWN, I GUESS YOU'RE GOING TO WALK THROUGH THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT WITH THE FLOOR PLAN. I THINK WE HAVE THE FLOOR PLAN.

SO, YEAH, THIS IS A PRELIMINARY FLOOR PLAN THAT WE'VE DEVELOPED WITH THE CLIENT.

AS ALAN MENTIONED, IF WE LOOK FROM THE LEFT HAND IN THE NORTHWEST CORNER AND WORK OUR WAY AROUND THE, THE NORTHWEST CORNER IS THE PROMINENT CORNER OF THE SITE.

BUT THE WAY THE BUILDING OPERATES IS WE HAVE AN INTERNAL COURTYARD, BECAUSE THE EARLY CHILDHOOD LEARNING COMPONENT REQUIRES ALL THE INDIVIDUAL CLASSROOMS HAVE DIRECT ACCESS TO THE OUTDOORS. AND THE MAIN FEATURE OF THIS BUILDING IS THE SAFETY AND SECURITY OF THE STUDENTS AND THE FAMILIES THAT THEY SERVE.

SO WHILE WE HAVE A VERY PUBLIC PROMINENT CORNER THAT'S GOING TO HAVE AN ELEMENT THERE, THE MAIN ENTRANCE, LIKE ALAN MENTIONED, IS ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER OF THE SITE TO KIND OF FOLLOW THROUGH THE CIRCULATION.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE MAJORITY OF THE FAMILIES WILL WALK THROUGH THE BUILDING UP INTO THE ADMINISTRATION WING, ALSO HAS SOME SERVICES THAT PROVIDE BEYOND THE STUDENTS AND TO OTHER FAMILIES.

OTHER OTHER ASPECTS OF THE FAMILY. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, WE HAVE THE 12 CLASSROOMS KIND OF SURROUNDING THE COURTYARD, AND THERE ARE A COMBINATION OF INFANT CLASSROOMS TO, YOU KNOW, ONE TO TWO YEAR OLD AND THEN THREE AND FOUR YEAR OLD ON THE TOP HAND SIDE.

AND THEN WE ALSO HAVE KIND OF AN INDOOR PLAY AREA FOR PHYSICAL EDUCATION, AND THEN AN ADAPTIVE PLAY FOR STUDENTS WHO MIGHT HAVE SOME MOBILITY CHALLENGES.

SO IN ALL OF THAT, WE HAVE A SINGLE LOADED CORRIDOR ON THE OUTSIDE FACING.

SO AS WE KIND OF FACE MORE OF THE PROMINENT SIDE OF THE STREETSCAPE, IT'S WE AREN'T PUTTING THE CHILDREN IN DIRECT LINE OF SIGHT WITH THE PUBLIC.

WE STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A CIRCULATION. AS WE ADDRESS THE STREETSCAPE WE ENVISION THE WINDOWS BEING A LITTLE BIT HIGHER UP ON THAT POINT SO WE STILL GET NATURAL LIGHT INTO THE BUILDING. BUT FROM A SAFETY AND SECURITY STANDPOINT STILL MAKES IT OPERATIONALLY A LITTLE BIT MORE SECURE.

AND THEN, YOU KNOW, LIKE ALAN MENTIONED, WE HAVE ACCESS INTO A SECURE INTERNAL COURTYARD THAT'S GOING TO BE OPEN TO MEET THE EDUCATIONAL NEEDS AND COMPONENTS OF THE EARLY CHILDHOOD. YOU KNOW, THE THE EARLY CHILDHOOD CERTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW.

AND THEN AS WE WORK TOWARDS THE RIGHT HAND SIDE OF THE BUILDING, WE DO HAVE A CAFETERIA WITH A FULL SERVICE KITCHEN TO PROVIDE FOR THE STUDENTS THAT ARE GOING TO BE SERVED THROUGHOUT THE DAY, WHETHER IT'S BREAKFAST, LUNCH OR EVEN POTENTIALLY DINNER.

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AND THEN THERE'S A MULTI-PURPOSE ROOM TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE SO IT CAN BE USED AFTER HOURS OR SECURED INTO THE BUILDING.

AND THEN THE NORTHEAST CORNER, THERE IS A SERIES OF ABOUT 13 ADMINISTRATION OFFICES THAT ARE GOING TO BE MORE FOR FLEX USE BY THE CITY SCHOOLS OF DECATUR, BECAUSE THE YOU KNOW, ADJACENT TO THE CENTER IS THEIR CITY SCHOOL HEADQUARTERS.

SO THEY THEY STILL HAVE SOME, SOME ADMINISTRATION THAT DON'T HAVE DEDICATED OFFICES OR THEY NEED TO HAVE FLEX OFFICES.

SO IT ALLOWS THEM SOME OPPORTUNITIES TO KIND OF WORK ADJACENT TO THE SCHOOL FACILITY, BUT STILL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF FLEXIBILITY IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE IN THERE FROM A DAY TO DAY, WHETHER THEY'RE COUNSELING SERVICES, SPEECH, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO THAT'S THE NATURE OF THE FLOOR PLAN RIGHT THERE.

AND THEN FROM A, YOU KNOW, FROM A LIFE SAFETY ACCESS, THE THE COURTYARD DOES HAVE AN OPENING DOWN, BUT IT'S A SECURED KIND OF FENCE THAT'S GOING TO BE DIRECTLY ACCESSED IF THERE IS AN EMERGENCY INSIDE THE BUILDING.

SO, WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS IF YOU GUYS HAVE.

ANY QUESTIONS FOR ME? I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT PARKING.

I NOTICED I DIDN'T I'M NOT SURE I HAVE THE EXACT RIGHT COUNT, BUT I COUNTED 50 SOMETHING PARKING SPACES.

IS THERE ANY OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE THAT? I THINK THAT'S I'M PRETTY SURE THAT'S BEYOND WHAT THE ORDINANCE ASKS FOR TWO PER CLASSROOM.

THAT'S A THAT'S A LOWER NUMBER. I'M SURE THERE'S SOME REASON, BUT I'M JUST WONDERING I THINK ALL THE STORMWATER STUFF IS GREAT, BUT I'M JUST I'M WONDERING IF THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE PARKING.

SURE. OKAY, SO, CHRIS, YOU'RE RIGHT. THERE'S 54 SPACES AND 3 FLEX SPACES.

WHAT THOSE FLEX SPACES ARE, ARE SHARED SPACES BETWEEN THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND THE EVENING THAT THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, USE THOSE SPACES. THEN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WILL USE THEM DURING THE DAY, DURING THE SCHOOL WEEK WHEN THEY'RE OPERATIONAL.

OF COURSE, ALL THE PARKING ON THE STREET IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE. THE WE WERE CHALLENGED WITH PROVIDING A MINIMUM OF 60 PARKING SPACES BY THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. THEY FELT INTERNALLY THROUGH THEIR DELIBERATIONS THAT THAT WAS THE NUMBER OF PARKING THAT THEY NEEDED TO SUPPORT THE PROGRAM OF THIS BUILDING.

WE HAVE PUSHED AND PULLED AND LOOKED AT THE SITE.

A LOT OF DIFFERENT WAYS TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT.

AND UNFORTUNATELY, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO ACHIEVE THAT TARGET FOR THEM WITHOUT PUSHING PARKING FURTHER PAST THAT BUILDING LINE AND INTO THAT GREEN SPACE TO THE EAST, WHICH IS HOW WE ENDED UP WITH WHAT WE FEEL IS THE MOST THE CLOSEST TO THE NUMBER THAT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM ASKS US TO ACHIEVE.

HAVE YOU ALL INVESTIGATED SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS WITH ANY OF THE SURROUNDING AREAS THAT HAVE LARGE DECKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT THAT ARE AVAILABLE? AS A DESIGN TEAM, I HAVE NOT. I'M NOT SURE IF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS ENGAGED IN ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH PRIVATE ENTITIES FOR PARKING.

A CLARIFYING QUESTION. SHAWN MENTIONED THAT YOU WERE APPLYING FOR A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

IS THAT ACCURATE OR? ARE WE APPLYING FOR CONDITIONAL USE? WE ARE. SO YOU DON'T NEED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

YEAH. THE DAYCARE IS A PERMITTED USE IN THE C-2 DISTRICT AS A CIVIC BUILDING ALLOWED WITHIN A C-2.

I DON'T THINK A CONDITIONAL USE IS RIGHT. SO YOU'RE GOING THROUGH THE MASTER SITE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS.

YOU'RE ASKING FOR A VARIANCE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT GETTING THE PEDESTRIAN OVERLAY DISTRICT. WE ARE MEETING PEDESTRIAN OVERLAY DISTRICT STANDARDS FOR THE STREETSCAPE.

I THINK THERE'S SOME REQUIREMENTS THAT, LIKE THE MAIN ENTRANCE FACE OUT TO A STREET AND THINGS LIKE THAT WITH LIKE TRINITY.

YEAH. AND I THINK YOUR PRIMARY ENTRANCE IS FACING INTO THE PARKING LOT AT THE MOMENT.

GOTCHA. I MIGHT HAVE TO RELY TO OUR ARCHITECTURAL PARTNERS ON THIS ONE.

SINCE WE DID NOT SUBMIT THE APPLICATION FOR A VARIANCE ON THE ENTRANCE BECAUSE OF THE NATURE OF THE BUILDING AND THE CONSTITUENTS IT SERVES, YOU DON'T WANT TO HAVE THE MAIN ENTRANCE ON SUCH A PUBLIC CORNER RIGHT THERE ON ELECTRIC AND WEST TRINITY.

WE WOULD REALLY WANT TO SERVE THE, YOU KNOW, ON A SECURED ENTRANCE ON THE SOUTH SIDE WHERE WE'RE KIND GO.

CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT? I'M JUST NOT SURE BECAUSE, LIKE, I KNOW THERE'S A COUPLE OTHER LIKE TALLY AS THEIR ENTRANCE FACING OUT ONTO THE STREET. AND IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN, I THINK THEIR DOORS ARE LOCKED, SO I'M NOT SURE.

A LOT OF IT HAS TO DO WITH THE INTERNAL ORGANIZATION TOO, TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE A SINGLE POINT OF ENTRY FOR THE PARENTS THAT COME IN AND DROP THEIR STUDENTS OFF. SO THEY'RE OBSERVED BY THE STAFF WITH THE SECURITY VESTIBULES, THE WAY THEY'RE SET UP THROUGH THE SECURITY REQUIREMENTS OF THE CITY SCHOOLS OF DECATUR.

SO DR. WHITAKER, WOULD YOU LIKE TO ELABORATE? HI, GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. I'M DR. GYIMAH WHITAKER.

I SERVE AS THE SUPERINTENDENT OF THE CITY SCHOOLS OF DECATUR.

AND WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT EARLY LEARNING, WHICH IS STUDENTS WHO ARE BIRTH TO THE AGE OF THREE OR POTENTIALLY PRE-K GOING TO FOUR,

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LITTLE CHILDREN AS MUCH AS WE LOVE THEM, THEY LIKE TO GET AWAY.

SO YOU NEED THEM AS FAR AWAY FROM THE TRAFFIC AS POSSIBLE ESPECIALLY DURING DROP OFF AND THE SUCH.

AND TO THE PIECE ABOUT THE PARKING SPACES. THE NUMBER OF ADULTS IN THE ROOM IN THE ACTUAL BUILDING ITSELF WOULD PROBABLY BE ABOUT 45. AND THEN WHEN YOU INCLUDE FAMILIES THEMSELVES THAT WOULD WANT TO COME VISIT AND, YOU KNOW, AT ANY SCHOOL AT ANY TIME, YOU WOULD HAVE, YOU KNOW, PARENTS WANTING TO READ TO THE CLASS THINGS OF THAT NATURE.

IT'S REALLY ONLY A COUPLE OF ADDITIONAL. THANK YOU.

ISN'T THERE ALSO, I THINK I WAS LOOKING AT THE ORDINANCE FOR THE PEDESTRIAN OVERLAY, AND THERE'S I THINK THIS CAME UP ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. AND I KNOW THERE'S I GET THE NEEDLE THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO THREAD WITH SAFETY AND ALSO VISIBILITY AND STUFF.

DO YOU, DO YOU GUYS KNOW IF THE IF THAT TRANSPARENCY CRITERIA, I THINK IT'S 25% OR SOMETHING.

IS THAT IS THAT ALREADY ACHIEVED OR IS THAT SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO.

THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE AIMING FOR. ABSOLUTELY. I THINK FROM A, YOU KNOW, FROM A VISIBILITY STANDPOINT, LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT THE VISIBILITY OF THE MEDIA CENTER AT THE NORTHWEST CORNER, AS WELL AS STILL GETTING SOME VISIBLE VIEWS AND LIGHT INTO THE CORRIDORS AND THEN ALSO INTO THE ADMINISTRATION WING ON THE NORTHWEST, THE NORTHEAST CORNER.

WE'RE GOING TO, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO MEET THAT FOR THAT STANDPOINT.

YEAH. AND THE OTHER UNIQUE CHARACTERISTIC ABOUT THE SITE IS THERE'S ABOUT AN EIGHT FOOT DROP FROM THE NORTHEAST CORNER DOWN TO THE SOUTHWEST CORNER.

YEAH, I NOTICED THE RAMPS IN THE CORRIDOR. SO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS TO MINIMIZE THE THE DISPLACED OF BALANCING THE SITE, STAFFING THE BUILDING UP AT VARIOUS INTERVALS, AND KIND OF TAKING ADVANTAGE OF THE STREETSCAPE TO KIND OF HIGHLIGHT SOME OF THOSE DISTINGUISHING CHARACTERISTICS OF THE BUILDING. YEAH.

GO ON BACK TO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

SO THAT'S NOT REQUIRED. NO, IT'S IN THE C-2 DISTRICT, THE DAYCARE LEARNING CENTER IS A RIGHT.

IT'S ACTUALLY A LIMITED USE IN OUR CODE, BUT THE ONLY REQUIREMENT IS THAT THEY ACTUALLY HAVE THE OUTDOOR PLAY AREA AND THEY HAVE THAT.

SO GOING BACK TO THE PARKING, AND YOU SPOKE EXTENSIVELY ABOUT THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT YOU EXPECT TO WALK.

HAVE YOU CONDUCTED A I THINK THERE'S A TRAFFIC STUDY PENDING.

DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA OF THE NUMBER OF FAMILIES THAT YOU EXPECT TO BE WALKING FROM THE COMMUNITY VERSUS DRIVING, GETTING DROPPED OFF? AS A DESIGN TEAM WE HAVE NOT DONE ANY STUDIES AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS PENDING.

THAT'LL BE PART OF THE TRAFFIC. DO YOU HAVE AN IDEA FROM THE CURRENT FACILITY, LIKE WHAT PERCENTAGE WALK OR? THE MAJORITY MAJORITY AT OUR CURRENT FACILITY WELL, WE HAVE TWO ACTUALLY.

SO THE AT THE FRAZER CENTER. JUST ABOUT EVERYONE DRIVES.

YEAH. AND SO THE STAFF ARE DROPPING THEIR CHILDREN OFF AND THEN GOING TO ONE OF OUR OTHER 10 OR 10 OTHER FACILITIES IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WHEN IT COMES TO THOSE ARE AT THE EARLY COLLEGE CENTER OR NOT, EARLY EARLY CHILDHOOD LEARNING CENTER, COLLEGE HEIGHTS, THOSE INDIVIDUALS, THE MAJORITY STILL DROP, BUT THEY DROP IN CAR.

BUT YOU DO HAVE SOME THAT DO WANT TO OBVIOUSLY TRANSPORTATION IS KEY. WE ARE PROVIDING EARLY LEARNING FOR PRE-K STUDENTS, THOSE PRE-K STUDENTS PROVIDE TRANSPORTATION FOR THAT PARENT, THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER PERSON.

SO THOSE ARE SOME OF THE DIFFERENT VARIABILITIES THE TYPES OF CARS OR OTHER VEHICLES THAT WOULD ACCESS THE SPACE.

WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING OH, SORRY, ONE ONE QUESTION, I MIGHT ADD JUST ABOUT THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO BUTTON IT UP.

WE DO HAVE A CONSULTANT ON BOARD TO DO A TRAFFIC STUDY.

UNFORTUNATELY, THE [INAUDIBLE] SUMMERTIME IS THIS AREA IS LEAST TRAFFICKED, AND UNFORTUNATELY WE JUST WEREN'T ABLE TO TEE THEM UP BEFORE THE DROP OFF AND TRAVEL OVER THE SUMMERTIME. SO THIS WASN'T, YOU KNOW, BY ANY MEANS AN ACT TO, YOU KNOW, NOT GET A TRAFFIC STUDY DONE.

WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE COUNT WAS ACCURATE BASED ON WHEN THE SCHOOL WOULD BE OPERATIONAL. SO THAT WILL BE HAPPENING IN AUGUST WHEN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM IS OPERATING, OPERATING AND ALL THE SURROUNDING AREAS AS WELL.

HIGH SCHOOL. AND THE CITY HAS MADE THAT VERY CLEAR.

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YEAH, I GUESS I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THAT. I MEAN, WHEN WE'RE REVIEWING THESE, I GUESS SOME OF THE REVIEW STANDARDS IS TO EVALUATE THE TRAFFIC STUDY. I MEAN, AT THIS BODY. SO WHY ARE WE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION NOW INSTEAD OF AUGUST AFTER THE TRAFFIC STUDY? I THINK IT'S UNFORTUNATELY JUST THE TIMING OF THE DESIGN PROCESS AND THE WAY THAT THIS HIT THE CALENDAR.

SOMETHING THAT WAS JUST BROUGHT UP. SO THERE WILL BE BUSSES THAT WILL POTENTIALLY BE COMING.

IS THAT ADDRESSED IN THE CIRCULATION? I DON'T SEE A BUS DROP OFF AREA.

GOTCHA. SO THERE WILL NOT BE MY UNDERSTANDING IS THERE WON'T BE REGULAR BUS TRAFFIC.

THIS ISN'T LIKE A TALLY STREET OR, YOU KNOW, OR SOMETHING OF THE LIKE.

THERE WILL BE TIMES WHEN THERE ARE NO BUSSES USED TO SHUTTLE BACK WHERE, LIKE THE SUPERINTENDENT MENTIONED.

ALONG ELECTRIC, THERE ARE THREE STRIPED OFF SPACES.

WHICH YOU CAN SEE IF YOU'RE COMING OUT OF THE PARKING LOT AND YOU'RE TAKING A RIGHT ONTO ELECTRIC.

THERE'S THREE SPACES THAT ARE STRIPED. WE CALL THEM PARALLEL SPACES UNLOADING IN THE PLAN.

THOSE SPACES, THE IDEA THAT THEY'LL BE USED SIMILAR TO THE SPACES OUTSIDE TALLY STREET ELEMENTARY, WHICH ARE STRIPED OFF FOR USE DURING SCHOOL HOURS BUT ARE OTHERWISE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.

OTHER TIMES OF THE DAY AND WEEKEND. WE TALKED ABOUT THE DOOR, AND I UNDERSTAND THE RATIONALE WHY YOU WANT TO HAVE THE SITE SECURED.

SO I GUESS PROCEDURALLY, THOUGH, I MEAN, YOU'RE NOT ASKING FOR A VARIANCE, THOUGH TODAY, RIGHT? I MEAN, HOW DOES, SHOULDN'T YOU ASK FOR A VARIANCE FOR THAT? I DON'T RECALL THAT COMING UP IN OUR REVIEW WITH STAFF THAT THAT WAS NECESSARY, BUT MAYBE I'M MISTAKEN.

THAT'S PROBABLY SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO KIND OF FURTHER REVIEW. WE'VE WE'VE HAD SEVERAL DISCUSSIONS WITH ANGELA THREADGILL AND HER STAFF ABOUT SOME OF THESE THINGS.

SO WE'LL MAKE SURE WE WANT TO GET THAT RIGHT.

YEAH. I MEAN THERE'S OTHER A COUPLE OTHER THINGS TOO, LIKE IN THE PEDESTRIAN OVERLAY. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, PARKING, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE NO SURFACE PARKING WITHIN 60FT OF ANY PUBLIC STREET.

SO I THINK THERE'S LIKE 5 OR 6 SPACES THAT ARE WITHIN THAT, WHICH WOULD PROBABLY BE TECHNICALLY OUTSIDE OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

AND THEN WE TALKED ABOUT THE DOOR, WHICH IS, YOU KNOW, BUT I MEAN, IT'S REALLY THE SPIRIT OF IT IS REALLY ACTIVATION, RIGHT? AND IF YOU LOOK AT THE ELEVATIONS, I MEAN, BOTH CORNERS OF TRINITY AND COMMERCE ARE LIKE SOLID 16 FOOT WALLS.

SO I DON'T KNOW BUT JUST FROM A DESIGN PERSPECTIVE WHAT WAS I MEAN, I UNDERSTAND AGAIN, IT'S MORE OF A AS YOU SAID, YOU'RE TRYING TO THREAD THE NEEDLE BETWEEN DESIGN AND FUNCTION.

BUT AGAIN, I GUESS I WAS SURPRISED IT WASN'T VARIANCES THAT ACCOMPANIED BECAUSE IT IS KIND OF JUST OUTSIDE OF THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

A SAFETY CONCERN. NO, I UNDERSTAND, AND I THINK WE SHOULD WEIGH THAT ON THE MERITS.

I JUST BUT AS PRESENTED, I MEAN, IT DOESN'T REALLY COMPLY, I GUESS.

I MEAN, THAT'S MY QUESTION. I MEAN, IS THERE A IS THERE A RATIONALE.

AND THERE IS A ENTRY OFF THE SIDE AT THE CORNER OF THE MEDIA CENTER AND ALONG ELECTRIC AVENUE JUST SOUTH OF THE MEDIA CENTER, AND IT'S REACTING TO THAT, YOU KNOW, LIKE, NO, I MEAN, AND THAT'S JUST A VERY, VERY PRELIMINARY KIND OF RENDERING THAT WE JUST DID CONCEPTUALLY SO.

GOTCHA. SO THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO KIND OF ACTIVATE, THERE'S MORE OPPORTUNITY AS WE START EVALUATING MORE OF THE HEIGHTS AND VIEWS INTO THE BUILDING. AND LIKE CHRIS HAD MENTIONED, THE 25% MINIMUM REQUIREMENT FOR TRANSPARENCY THOSE ARE SOME OF THE OPPORTUNITIES.

AND THERE ALSO IS A ENTRY PIECE THAT DOES HAVE A SMALLER VESTIBULE THAT COULD BE ACTIVATED AFTER HOURS, OR IT COULD BE ACTIVATED FOR CITY CITY STAFF TO GET OR SCHOOL STAFF TO GET TO AND FROM INTO THE BUILDING.

YEAH, THAT OTHER CORNER ON COMMERCE AND TRINITY WASN'T RENDERED, BUT SIMILARLY LIKE A BIG JUST CORNER.

JUST KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF WORK TO BE DONE.

IT SAYS THE PRIMARY BUILDING ENTRANCE SHOULD FACE ONTO THE STREET AND SIDEWALK.

SO, LIKE, I KNOW YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A SECONDARY, BUT IN THE SPIRIT OF THE AREA, I KNOW THAT WE'VE RECEIVED SOME WRITTEN COMMENTS ABOUT THE FACILITY AND HOW IT'S GOING TO FIT INTO THE PLANS FOR THE CITY.

AND SO, LIKE JUST THAT, I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY GO A LONG WAY.

YEAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, JUST TO READ IT, THE PURPOSE OF THIS REQUIREMENT IS TO ENCOURAGE THE DEVELOPMENT OF BUILDINGS, THEY COMPLIMENT PEDESTRIAN ACTIVITY IN THE CBD. BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU GET IT. OKAY. THE OTHER THING THAT WE GET SOMEWHAT REGULARLY IS ABOUT LIKE NOISE FROM GENERATORS. I THINK YOU MENTIONED THERE'S A GENERATOR ON SITE. IS HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT INTO USING I THINK THE UTILITIES BUILDING HAS SOLAR WITH BATTERY BACKUPS. HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT INTO [INAUDIBLE].

THERE'S ACTUALLY, BECAUSE WE ARE ADHERING TO THE CITY'S SUSTAINABILITY ORDINANCE WE ARE FOLLOWING THE GUIDELINES FOR A LEED SILVER CERTIFIED BUILDING.

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[INAUDIBLE] BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY THE CITY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT DOES HAVE A THIRD PARTY VENDOR THAT DOES PROVIDE THEY'VE DONE [INAUDIBLE] STREET, THEY'VE DONE THIS AT OTHER SCHOOLS, AND WE'RE WORKING WITH THEM TO KIND OF MAXIMIZE THE THE BUILDING ORIENTATION AND THE WINGS ABOVE THE CLASSROOMS TO PROVIDE FOR SOLAR TO, TO MITIGATE SOME OF THE ENERGY OFFSET AND USAGE FOR THE BUILDING.

SO THAT'S SO WHEN THIS GENERATOR THAT'S MARKED IN THE BOTTOM RIGHT HAND CORNER OF THE FLOOR PLAN IS THAT YOU'RE SAYING THAT WOULD BE LIKE A BATTERY BACKUP. SO THAT WE'RE STILL IN REVIEWING OF DISCUSSIONS ABOUT WHAT'S THE MOST ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY AND THAT STILL ADHERES TO THE SAFETY AND SECURITY AND RISK MANAGEMENT OF THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

RIGHT NOW IT YOU KNOW, IT'S A IT'S IT FOLLOWS THE SCHOOL STANDARDS OF BEING A OF A GAS FED GENERATOR.

SO TO YOUR POINT, WE ARE LOOKING AT OPPORTUNITIES WHETHER OR NOT TO USE SOLAR POWER WITH BATTERY BACKUP AND INVERTERS TO PROVIDE FOR THAT.

BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE'RE WORKING THROUGH WITH THE OWNER AT THE MOMENT. AND THEN GOING TO THE EASEMENT ON TUNING WITH THE DECATUR HOUSING AUTHORITY.

I GUESS THERE ARE SOME EXISTING PARKING SPACES THAT SORT OF FACE THE BUILDINGS.

IS THE INTENT FOR THOSE GUYS TO REMAIN THERE? CORRECT? YEP. THOSE WILL BE KEPT IN PLACE. YEAH.

NO NEW CONSTRUCTION. SO THIS KIND OF SPEAKS TO THE TRAFFIC THING, BUT IN THE MORNING, IT'S EVERYBODY'S COMING IN. LIKE, THEORETICALLY, THOSE GUYS ARE BACKING OUT AND THEY'RE COMING OUT ONTO COMMERCE.

IS THAT RIGHT? I MAY HAVE MISLED YOU. THEN THE IDEA IS THAT THAT SECTION OF ROAD WILL MAINTAIN TWO WAY TRAFFIC, SO THAT THOSE WHO ARE PARKING AT THE HOUSING AUTHORITY ARE ABLE TO EXIT OUT ONTO COMMERCE, AS OPPOSED TO NECESSARILY HAVING TO TRAVEL THROUGH THE SCHOOL'S PROPERTY.

THEORETICALLY, IN THE GRAPHIC WHERE YOU SEE THAT FIRST WHITE ARROW POINTING NORTH, THAT WOULD BE THE POINT AT WHICH THE BEGINNING COMES IN.

OTHERWISE THEY'RE GOING BOTH WAYS. SORRY IF I UNINTENTIONALLY.

NO. IT'S OKAY. I MEAN, IT JUST KIND OF SPEAKS TO THE TRAFFIC THING. I GUESS I'M JUST WORRIED ABOUT QUEUING, YOU KNOW, IN THE MORNING AS PEOPLE ARE REVERSING IN THE MORNING AND JUST PEOPLE COMING IN. IT'S JUST I WAS CURIOUS HOW ALL THAT WORKED.

YEAH, EARLY ON WE DID A LOT OF STUDIES LOOKING AT HOW CAN WE BEST FACILITATE FACILITATE GETTING THE MOST AMOUNT OF CARS OFF THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY AND THE MOST EFFICIENT WAY POSSIBLE. AND THIS IS WHERE WE ONE WAY IT MAKES SENSE FOR SURE.

ONE OF THE THINGS WE DID ASK THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER, WHICH AGAIN, IT'S HYPOTHETICAL UNTIL YOU ACTUALLY SEE THE REPORT.

BUT THEY WILL EVALUATE THAT ANALYSIS INDEPENDENTLY AND DETERMINE IF THAT IS INDEED THE BEST WAY TO FACILITATE STACKING, WHICH WE BELIEVE IT IS. YEAH, YEAH. YEAH. ME TOO.

THANK YOU. SORRY FOR ALL THE QUESTIONS, BUT THAT'S SUPER HELPFUL. THANK YOU. I'M GOOD. AT THIS POINT, I GUESS DO WE HAVE ANY COMMENTS FROM THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN ATTENDANCE IN THE ROOM THAT ARE IN OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICATION? IF YOU COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE TO SPEAK, PLEASE REMEMBER TO GIVE US YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. FIRST OF ALL, DID YOU ALL SEE THE COMMENTS FROM KATHY GANNON? YES. OKAY. DID YOU ALL HAVE A COPY OF THAT? OKAY.

THEN I'M GOING TO READ SOME COMMENTS [INAUDIBLE] .

YES IT IS. SO I'M GOING TO READ SOME DIFFERENT COMMENTS FROM MYSELF SINCE YOU ALREADY HAVE KATHY'S COMMENTS.

I JUST NEED YOU TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.

MY NAME IS MARY KOWALSKI AND MY ADDRESS IS 119 BERRY STREET.

ACCORDING TO THE TOWN CENTER TOWN CENTER 2.0 PLAN, THERE ARE MORE THAN 3500 DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS.

THE TOWN CENTER 2.0 PLAN IS RATHER DIRECT AND IS THOUGHT ABOUT THOUGHTS ABOUT DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS.

IT VIEWS US AS A CASH COW FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, PLAINLY STATING THAT ONLY 22% OF DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS HAVE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN AND GENERATE $170,000 PER ACRE OF PROPERTY TAX ANNUALLY, WHILE THE SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, OF WHICH 43% HAVE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN, ONLY GENERATE $56,000 OF PROPERTY TAX PER ACRE PER YEAR.

AS A DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS, I HAVE SEVERAL QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS WHICH REQUIRE YOUR CONSIDERATION PRIOR TO MAKING A DECISION REGARDING THE CITY SCHOOLS OF DECATUR'S REQUEST. FIRST OF ALL, WHY ARE WE EVEN HERE THIS EVENING? AS A PROPERTY OWNED BY CSD AND IS BEING DEVELOPED AS A COMPONENT OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, THE PROPER ZONING FOR THIS PARCEL IS INSTITUTIONAL.

I COULD FIND NO INFORMATION REGARDING HOW, WHEN, OR WHY THIS PARCEL BECAME ZONED C-2, THUS REQUIRING TODAY'S APPROVAL.

THE SITE WAS PREVIOUSLY USED BY THE HOUSING AUTHORITY AND PRESUMABLY WAS WAS ZONED INSTITUTIONAL, AS IS ALL THE OTHER HOUSING OWNED BY THE AUTHORITY.

ACCORDING TO PUBLICLY AVAILABLE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS ON GOOGLE EARTH, THE PUBLIC HOUSING EXISTED ON THIS PARCEL UNTIL AT LEAST FEBRUARY OF 2014,

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ALL OF THE OTHER PARCELS IN THE CITY USED THAT ARE USED BY EITHER THE CITY, THE CSD OR THE HOUSING AUTHORITY ARE CURRENTLY ZONED INSTITUTIONAL.

WOULDN'T IT MAKE MORE SENSE TO REQUIRE CSD TO REZONE THIS PROPERTY AS INSTITUTIONAL, TO BE CONSISTENT WITH THE CITY'S CURRENT LAND USE AND ZONING DESIGNATIONS? C-2 IS ZONED FOR COMMERCIAL AND HIGH DENSITY, HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT.

THAT MAKES NO SENSE FOR THIS PARCEL UNLESS IT IS TO BE SOLD IN THE FUTURE FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.

C-2 ZONING DOES NOT FIT THE SINGLE STORY, SPRAWLING NATURE OF THE BUILDING, AND THE OVERALL LOOK OF THE FACILITY IS NOT KEEPING WITH THE DENSE URBAN DEVELOPMENT FAVORED BY THE CITY OF DECATUR IN RECENT YEARS.

THE LAYOUT AND LOOK OF THE AT THE FACILITY HAS A VERY SUBURBAN LOOK AND FEEL MORE AT, AND IT WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE AT HOME IN GWINNETT COUNTY OR IN THE NORTHERN SUBURBS. THERE ARE 57 PARKING SPACES FOR THIS FACILITY, NOT INCLUDING THE ON STREET PARKING AVAILABLE ALONG WEST TRINITY PLACE.

I WAS UNAWARE OF THE ELECTRIC AVENUE PARKING.

THAT'S ANOTHER 19 SPACES. THAT'S AN AWFUL LOT OF PARKING SPACES FOR A FACILITY THAT SERVES BABIES AND TODDLERS.

THE CITY OF DECATUR HAS BEEN ENCOURAGING NEW FACILITIES WITH LITTLE OR NO PARKING, INCLUDING THE NEW HOTEL SITE AT SWANTON WAY AND PONCE PLACE.

IF A HOTEL OF THAT SIZE CAN BE ACCOMMODATED WITHOUT PARKING, SURELY, SURELY SO CAN THIS FACILITY FOR BABIES AND TODDLERS.

I AM SURE THAT CSD CAN ENCOURAGE STAFF AND OFFICE WORKERS TO WALK OR USE PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION FOR THE GREATER GOOD OF A MORE SUSTAINABLE FUTURE, AS THAT IS WHAT IS EXPECTED WITH OTHER DEVELOPMENT DOWNTOWN IN THE CITY OVERALL.

TREE PROTECTION ZONES AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE CITY ARE A PROBLEM.

DEVELOPERS LIKE TO SHOW EXISTING TREES TO BE SAVED, BUT OFTEN DO NOT RESPECT THE CRITICAL ROOT ZONES REQUIRED TO SAVE TREES IN A VIABLE CONDITION DURING CONSTRUCTION. FOR EXAMPLE, THE CHAPEL ON SYCAMORE.

THE DEVELOPER PRESENTED A SITE PLAN TO THE COMMUNITY THAT SHOWED EXISTING TREES IN WHAT USED TO BE THE PLAYGROUND AS REMAINING, AND THE SITE PLAN WAS APPROVED. HOWEVER, DURING CONSTRUCTION, ONE OF THE LARGE OAK TREES WAS REMOVED FOR AN UNKNOWN REASON, AND THE CRITICAL ROOT ZONE ON THE REMAINING LARGE OAK WAS SIGNIFICANTLY COMPROMISED DURING CONSTRUCTION OF THE PARKING LOT.

IF YOU LOOK UP INTO THE TOP OF THAT EXISTING TREES, CAN IT BE TODAY YOU CAN SEE DIEBACK, WHICH WILL ONLY CONTINUE TO GET WORSE.

TWO TREES ON THE SITE PLAN PRESENTED IN THIS PACKAGE IMPACT THE CRITICAL ROOT ZONE AND EXISTING TREES OF EXISTING TREES IDENTIFIED AS REMAINING.

THE CITY ARBORIST IS NOT ENFORCING THIS REQUIREMENT, SO DEVELOPERS SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN CREDIT OR ACKNOWLEDGMENT FOR SAVING TREES, WHICH LIKELY REPRESENT A REMOVAL COST TO TAXPAYERS IN THE NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE.

I ALSO POINT YOU TO LEGACY PARK AND THE LOCATION OF THE TREE PROTECTION FENCE AROUND THE EXISTING TREES.

THEY PUT IT AROUND THE TRUNKS, BUT NOT AT THE CRITICAL ROOT ZONE.

THIS FACILITY IS A WANT AND NOT A NEED FOR THE RESIDENTS OF DECATUR.

THE CHILDREN THAT WOULD BE USING THIS FACILITY ARE CURRENTLY BEING SERVED BY CSD AND EXISTING FACILITIES, AND PRESUMABLY COULD EASILY REMAIN IN THOSE ACCOMMODATIONS, CONTINUING THE EXISTING PROGRAMS AND SERVICES.

CITY TAXPAYERS C ITY TAXPAYERS RECENTLY INVESTED $5.9 MILLION CONSTRUCTING OFFICES FOR CSD AT 105 ELECTRIC AVENUE, WITH THE CURRENT OFFICE FACILITIES CONSTRUCTED BETWEEN 2014 AND 2015.

CSD HAS NOT ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED HOW THEY UNDERESTIMATED THEIR NEED FOR OFFICE SPACE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THE SIZE OF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE GROWING, OR WHY THEY HAVE NOT CONSIDERED RECONFIGURING THEIR EXISTING SPACE AND OR RENTING SPACE, WHICH MAY BE MORE COST EFFECTIVE IN THE NEAR TO MEDIUM TERM.

DURING A PERIOD OF DECLINING ENROLLMENT BETWEEN 2004 AND 2013, CSD CHOSE TO MOTHBALL WESTCHESTER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND THEN SPENT A NOT INSIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY REPURPOSING THE BUILDING FOR CSD OFFICES, ONLY TO SPEND ALMOST ANOTHER MILLION DOLLARS TO REOPEN THE BUILDING AS AN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. IN 2014. WESTCHESTER IS AGAIN EXPERIENCING A DECLINE IN ENROLLMENT, FROM 333 STUDENTS IN 2019 TO 183 STUDENTS IN 2023. AS CSD EXPLORED REPURPOSING WESTCHESTER ELEMENTARY SCHOOL INTO THE EARLY CHILDHOOD CENTER, RATHER THAN SPENDING AN ESTIMATED 15 TO $22 MILLION TO CONSTRUCT THIS FACILITY ON SITE THAT WOULD BETTER SERVE DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS AS A PASSIVE GREEN SPACE. CSD IS OPERATING IN A BUDGET DEFICIT THIS YEAR, USING $3.15 MILLION FROM THE SURPLUS TO CLOSE THE GAP.

THIS DEFICIT, AND THE OPTIMISTIC PROJECTIONS TO QUICKLY REPLENISH THE GENERAL FUND OVER THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS DO NOT INCLUDE THE OPERATING AND MAINTENANCE COSTS ASSOCIATED

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BUT UNDER THE ORDINANCE SECTION 6.5.2B DAYCARE, WHEN A DAYCARE FACILITY REQUIRES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT, YOU MUST CONSIDER THE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED FACILITY.

HAVE IN PART ON THE GENERAL WELFARE OF THE RESIDENTS OF THE CITY, ESPECIALLY DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS.

CSD HAS NOT BEEN TRANSPARENT REGARDING THE NEED FOR THE FACILITY, THE COST TO CONSTRUCT THE FACILITY, OR THE COST ASSOCIATED WITH THE OPERATING AND MAINTENANCE OF THE FACILITY.

ALL RESIDENTS OF DOWNTOWN, INCLUDING THOSE TO BE SERVED BY THE FACILITY.

AND THE RESIDENTS LIVING ADJACENT IN THE ADJACENT ALAN WILSON APARTMENTS WOULD BENEFIT MORE BY KEEPING THIS PARCEL AND OPEN GREEN SPACE, RATHER THAN DEVELOPING IT INTO A DAYCARE CENTER.

IN THE EVENT THAT YOU CHOOSE TO APPROVE THE CSD'S APPLICATION, YOU MUST ALSO PROTECT CITY TAXPAYERS FROM AN OVERLY AMBITIOUS SCHOOL BOARD BY PLACING AN 18 MONTH START OF CONSTRUCTION LIMITATION ON ANY ON ANY PERMIT OR AUTHORIZATION THAT YOU GRANT.

IF THE START OF CONSTRUCTION DOES NOT OCCUR WITHIN THAT TIME FRAME, YOU MUST REQUIRE CSD TO BEGIN THE PROCESS OF NEWS SO THAT CITIZENS CAN ONCE AGAIN WEIGH IN ON WHETHER THE DECISION AND COSTS ASSOCIATED WITH MOVING FORWARD WITH THIS FACILITY.

AND TO DETERMINE WHETHER OR NOT IT'S THE BEST USE OF TAXPAYER FUNDS.

ADDITIONALLY, AS ANY COMPONENT OF ANY PERMIT OR AUTHORIZATION THAT YOU GIVE, YOU MUST PLACE REQUIREMENT ON CSD THAT THE GREEN SPACE SHOWN BETWEEN THE EARLY CHILDHOOD FACILITY AND COMMERCE DRIVE, AS DEPICTED ON THE SITE PLAN REMAIN A PASSIVE PUBLIC GREEN SPACE OPEN FOR USE BY THE CITIZENS OF DECATUR IN PERPETUITY IN EXCHANGE FOR THE FINANCIAL INVESTMENT WE, AS DOWNTOWN RESIDENTS MAKE IN CSD AND IN ITS STUDENTS.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. ANYONE ELSE IN THE ROOM WISH TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICATION? HEARING NONE. ANYONE ONLINE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICATION, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND. THE CHAT IS NOT WORKING, SO I'M GOING TO UNMUTE THE TWO FOLKS THAT ARE ON AND ASK IF THEY ARE WANTING TO SPEAK. MISS GANNON, CAN YOU HEAR US? YES I CAN.

CAN YOU HEAR ME? YES, MA'AM. DID YOU WISH TO MAKE ANY COMMENTS? YES, I WOULD. THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. YOU'RE WELCOME.

OKAY. AND I APOLOGIZE. I AM STRANDED IN NORTH GEORGIA WITH A HOTSPOT, SO IT'S VERY TENUOUS INTERNET.

AND I DID MAILING COMMENTS. MY NAME IS KATHY GANNON.

I LIVE AT 335 WEST PONCE DE LEON AVENUE IN DOWNTOWN DECATUR, ABOUT A BLOCK FROM THIS GREEN SPACE.

I AM NOT I DID SEND IN SOME COMMENTS. I AM NOT GOING TO GO OVER THEM WORD BY WORD.

BUT I DID WANT TO HIGHLIGHT A COUPLE OF ISSUES THAT HAVE SORT OF BEEN ALLUDED TO OR QUESTIONED, BUT I THINK DESERVE A LITTLE MORE REVIEW. ONE IS JUST TO NOTE THAT GOING BY THE CITY'S REPORT IN THE MATERIALS FOR THE MEETING, IT TALKS ABOUT HOW THE CITY SCHOOLS ACQUIRED THIS PROPERTY IN 2018, WHICH OF COURSE WAS A VERY DIFFERENT TIME IN OUR HISTORY, IN OUR STUDENT POPULATION, IN OUR FINANCIAL BUDGETING FOR THESE KINDS OF SERVICES.

AND SINCE THAT TIME, THERE'S BEEN OTHER EARLY LEARNING CENTERS ADDED TO THE SCHOOL.

AND THEY HAVE CATEGORIES AND LISTING ON THEIR WEBSITE, AND THEY'RE VERY PROUD OF THAT ACCOMPLISHMENT.

THE EARLY LEARNING CENTER MISSION IS CLEARLY STATED, AND NOWHERE IN THE CONVERSATION OR THE MATERIALS DOES IT TALK ABOUT DAYCARE, BECAUSE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT EDUCATIONAL FACILITIES FOR CHILDREN, ACADEMIC EXCELLENCE, THE KIND OF DEVELOPMENT AND TRAINING THAT THEIR TEACHERS HAVE.

NOWHERE IS DAYCARE DISCUSSED AT ALL. AND IN FACT THE ONLY IN THEIR PRESENTATION TONIGHT DID NOT DISCUSS DAYCARE AS WELL.

THE ONLY DAYCARE NOTATION IS FROM CITY STAFF, THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT STAFF, WHERE THEY CALL THIS A DAYCARE CENTER. AND I SUGGEST THAT THAT IS A LEGAL BAIT AND SWITCH BECAUSE DAYCARE IS ALLOWED

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THEREFORE, WE WILL BE LOOKING AT A ZONING WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT SPECIAL USE PERMITS.

WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAN A SIMPLE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THERE WOULD BE MORE ROBUST PUBLIC PARTICIPATION.

WHILE THEY TALKED ABOUT A VERY EXTENSIVE PUBLIC INPUT PROCESS I WOULD SUGGEST THAT IT REALLY WAS NOT.

BUT ANYWAY, THIS DEFINITION OF DAYCARE IS NOWHERE IN THE SCHOOL'S OFFERINGS.

AND I QUESTION MY QUESTION WOULD BE, ARE WE ADDING DAYCARE TO OUR CITY SCHOOL SERVICES FOR TAXPAYERS TO PAY FOR? SO THAT'S AN ISSUE. ALSO, THERE ARE REVIEW STANDARDS WHEN YOU EVEN IF YOU ARE DOING A SITE REVIEW, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF REVIEW STANDARDS, SIX ELEMENTS THAT SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AND THIS APPLICATION HAS A NEGATIVE IMPACT ON FIVE OF THOSE ELEMENTS. BUILDING ON A GREEN SPACE AS OPPOSED TO AN ALREADY PAVED PROPERTY WHICH IS PART OF THE CITY'S VISION AND GOAL.

IS NOT A SUITABLE PROPOSED USE, A SCHOOL NOT BEING CONSISTENT WITH A COMMERCIAL DISTRICT.

IT'S A CAR ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, ADDING EXCESS AND BURDENSOME USE TO OUR STREETS, ESPECIALLY ELECTRIC AVENUE.

EXCUSE ME. AND IT OVERWHELMS OR ENDANGERS THE SURROUNDING PEDESTRIAN USERS.

THIS IS AN URBAN ENVIRONMENT, A PEDESTRIAN ORIENTED URBAN ENVIRONMENT.

SO THAT'S AN ISSUE. WE ALSO HAVE YOUTH AND ELDERLY.

YOU CAN GO OVER THERE AND WATCH THEM COMING OUT OF THE SWIMMING POOL, CROSSING ELECTRIC PEOPLE, WALKING BACK AND FORTH WITH WITH ALL THIS EXCESS TRAFFIC IS IS A DANGER AND AN ACCIDENT WAITING TO HAPPEN.

SO I'M GLAD YOU'VE TALKED ABOUT INGRESS AND EGRESS ON ELECTRIC AVENUE, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU HAVE ADEQUATELY ADDRESSED IT WITH NO TRAFFIC STUDIES TO LOOK AT WHAT WE'RE REALLY TALKING ABOUT. THE EXISTING VOLUME, ACCORDING TO THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE THERE, IS ALREADY EXCESSIVE, SO THAT NEEDS TO BE CAREFULLY LOOKED AT.

THE EXCESS PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE HAVE ALSO BEEN POINTED OUT.

THERE IS A DECATUR TEN MINUTE NEIGHBORHOOD HOOD CONCEPT THAT STAFF IS FOND OF QUOTING, BUT THIS CERTAINLY WILL NOT MEET THAT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM. AND ALL OF WHICH ARE MEANT TO MINIMIZE THE IMPACT OF LAND DEVELOPMENT ON OUR NATURAL ENVIRONMENT. AND THIS, I SUGGEST, IS A VERY POOR LOCATION FOR THIS FACILITY, WHETHER IT BE A DAYCARE CENTER OR A, QUOTE, EARLY EARLY LEARNING CENTER.

WE TALK ABOUT THE RELEVANCY OF THE 2020 STRATEGIC PLAN.

I'VE SENT YOU SOME INFORMATION ON THE IMPACT OF SEVERAL OF THOSE ELEMENTS, AND WE TALK ABOUT EVERYTHING BEING CONNECTED.

AND ONE OF THE OVERARCHING CONNECTIVE POINTS FOR ALL OF OUR GOALS UNDER THE 2020 PLAN 2030 PLAN, EXCUSE ME, IS EQUITY AND RACIAL JUSTICE OF COURSE, BUT ALSO CLIMATE ACTION.

I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE IMPACT OF SEVERAL OF THESE, ESPECIALLY ON CLIMATE ACTION, IS NEGATIVE. IT'S NEGATIVE ON MAKING OUR PUBLIC SPACES MORE WELCOMING BECAUSE THIS WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF THE PUBLIC SPHERE, EVEN THOUGH IT'S A PUBLIC SCHOOL. IT WILL NOT BE A PUBLIC FREE PUBLIC FACILITY TO GO AND UTILIZE.

THE CARBON IMPACT ON CITY DECISIONS, THERE'S BEEN NO EVALUATION OR DISCUSSION OF HOW THIS INCREASED CONCRETE PAVING CAR ORIENTED KIND OF DEVELOPMENT WILL IMPACT THE CITY'S CARBON CLIMATE ACTION GOALS.

WE TALK ABOUT CONDUCTING HEAT ISLAND ASSESSMENTS, PARTICULARLY IN REGARD TO VULNERABLE POPULATIONS.

THIS IS THE ONE AREA IN THE CITY OF DECATUR WHERE THE HEAT ISLAND IS GONE DOWN WHERE IT SHOULD BE, BUT THIS WILL BRING IT RIGHT BACK UP. THE GREEN SPACE AND RECREATION PLAN FACILITIES MASTER PLAN CALLS ON THE CITY TO ACQUIRE MORE GREEN SPACE. THE DOWNTOWN NEIGHBORHOOD IS THE ONLY NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE CITY THAT DOES NOT HAVE A PARK.

AND I SUGGEST THAT A PUBLIC SIDEWALK WITH WITH LANDSCAPE ELEMENTS IS NOT AN OPEN GREEN SPACE.

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AND THE ECONOMIC GROWTH, IT'S WE'RE SUPPOSED TO DIVERSIFY OUR TAX BASE AND USE COMMERCIALLY ZONED LAND FOR COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENTS, WHICH ARE TECHNICALLY GENERALLY THEY ARE TAX PRODUCING OPPORTUNITIES.

AND OF COURSE, THE SCHOOL IS PAID FOR WITH OUR TAXES AND THOSE TAXES.

SO I'M JUST SUGGESTING THAT THERE IS SOME MISINFORMATION HERE IN TERMS OF WHAT WE'RE REALLY LOOKING AT.

ARE WE LOOKING AT A DAYCARE CENTER THAT IS ALLOWED, OR ARE WE LOOKING AT A SCHOOL THAT IS NOT ALLOWED AND NEEDS ADDITIONAL APPROVAL, APPROVAL AND ADDITIONAL PROCESS? EITHER WAY I WOULD SUGGEST AT THE I SUGGEST DENIAL, BUT AT THE VERY LEAST DEFERRAL TO CLARIFY THE PROPOSAL AND WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY BEING REQUIRED TO DO.

AND SO ON BEHALF OF THE NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE MANY, SEVERAL THOUSAND NEIGHBORS WHO LIVE DOWNTOWN AND WOULD LIKE TO SEE A PARK AND THE QUESTIONS ABOUT FINANCING AND OTHER THINGS THAT THE SCHOOL HAS NOT BEEN TRANSPARENT ON A DEFERRAL, AT THE VERY LEAST, WOULD BE APPROPRIATE TO GO BACK AND ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS AND FIND OUT WHAT PROCESS WE ARE ACTUALLY FOLLOWING HERE.

AND SO WITH THAT, I SUGGEST DEFERRAL AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

AND I GUESS MY OTHER QUESTION WOULD SIMPLY BE A POINT OF ORDER IS DO WE HAVE A QUORUM THIS EVENING WITH THREE MEMBERS? SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

GOOD EVENING. I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. THANK YOU.

OKAY.

SO AT THIS POINT, I WOULD ASK ANYBODY WHO'S PRESENT IN THE ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF THE APPLICATION TO PLEASE STEP FORWARD.

HEARING NONE, WE WANT TO CLARIFY IF LAUREL WANTS TO MAKE COMMENTS IN SUPPORT OR.

SHE DIDN'T WANT TO MAKE COMMENTS. OH WELL, I DON'T KNOW.

LET'S SEE. MY APOLOGIES. HI. THANK YOU SO MUCH.

I'M ACTUALLY A MEMBER OF THE DESIGN TEAM. ON VACATION SO JUST LISTENING IN.

THANK YOU. OKAY. HEARING NO ONE IN THE ROOM OR ONLINE, I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT TO APPROACH THE MICROPHONE FOR ANY FURTHER REBUTTAL OR COMMENTS FROM WHAT THEY'VE HEARD.

SURE. SO, YEAH, WE APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THIS.

I KNOW THAT IT'S A, A MUCH DISCUSSED PROCESS.

AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE IN THE AIR.

BUT I THINK FROM OUR STANDPOINT WE'RE DEFINITELY LOOKING TO WORK WITH YOU TO FULFILL THE NEEDS OF YOUR STREETSCAPE ORDINANCE.

MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING AND ASKING FOR THE PROPER VARIANCE.

WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF PROCURING A TRAFFIC STUDY TO DO IT AT THE RIGHT TIME, WE KNOW THAT'S HIGHLY IMPORTANT.

AND WORKING WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT TO KIND OF REALLY TAKE INTO SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOUT SECURITY AND ACCESS.

SO A COUPLE OF THE COMMENTS THAT WERE MADE, I JUST HAD A COUPLE QUESTIONS REGARDING THOSE.

SO ONE OF THE COMMENTS WAS AROUND THE MARTA STATION BEING NEARBY.

I'M NOT POSITIVE I THINK THERE'S FIVE BUSSES THAT DROP OFF THERE.

THERE'S A COMMENT ABOUT 45 STAFF POTENTIALLY BEING IN THIS BUILDING YET WE HAVE 57 PARKING SPACES.

HAS THERE BEEN ANY THOUGHT OR DISCUSSION AROUND ENCOURAGING STAFF TO UTILIZE THE PUBLIC TRANSIT THAT IS AVAILABLE? I CAN TAKE THAT. ONCE AGAIN, GOOD EVENING. ONE OF THE HALLMARKS OF OUR STRATEGIC PLAN IS THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE TO CULTIVATE AND TO RETAIN HIGH QUALITY PROFESSIONALS.

EDUCATORS. I'M JUST GOING TO BE HONEST, ON THE SCALE OF 1 TO 100 ARE NOT PAID AT THE 100 SCALE.

AND SO A LOT OF TIMES, MANY OF OUR EDUCATORS ARE NOT NECESSARILY WALKING, BUT MORE SO DRIVING BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY RESIDENTS OF DECATUR.

NOW, WE DO HAVE STAFF THAT DO COME BY PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION.

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AND SO AS A SUPERINTENDENT WITH A STAFF OVER 900, WHICH IS WE HAVE OVER 900 EMPLOYEES IN THE CITY SCHOOLS OF DECATUR, WE HAVE TO BE MINDFUL THAT MAKING A CONDITION OF EMPLOYMENT TO BE ONE THAT YOU WOULD WALK OR TAKE THE BUS.

WE CANNOT NECESSARILY DO IT. NOW WE CAN ENCOURAGE IT AND WE DEFINITELY PROVIDE WHAT WOULD BE SUSTAINABLE OPTIONS.

BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY SOMETHING WE CAN REQUIRE.

AND I WOULD JUST SAY IN CLOSING, THE CITY SCHOOLS OF DECATUR, THE BOARD OF EDUCATION MYSELF, WE'RE COMMITTED TO PROVIDING HIGH QUALITY EDUCATION FOR THE ENTIRE DECATUR COMMUNITY, THAT IS FROM THE CRADLE TO THE CAREER. AND WHILE THIS FACILITY DOES PROVIDE PRIMARY SERVICE TO THOSE THAT ARE BIRTH TO FOUR, IT IS AN EDUCATIONAL COMPONENT COMPONENT OF THOSE WHO ARE IN WORKFORCE DEVELOPMENT, I.E. OUR HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS WHO ARE INTERNING.

IT'S NOT REALLY CALLED THAT, IT'S CALLED WORK BASED LEARNING MORE SO AND LEARNING WHAT IT MEANS TO BE AN EDUCATOR SO THAT THEY CAN HAVE THAT CREDENTIAL.

AND HOPEFULLY WE CAN WELCOME THEM BACK HOME TO BE AN EDUCATOR WITH US IN THE FUTURE.

SO IT IS TRULY A MULTI-PURPOSE, MULTIFACETED FACILITY THAT WOULD PROVIDE THAT HIGH QUALITY EARLY LEARNING ACCESS FOR CHILDREN WHO NEED IT. DO PEOPLE PAY FOR IT? FORGIVE MY IGNORANCE, BUT IS IT, DO PEOPLE PAY FOR IT OR IS IT FREE TO CITY RESIDENTS? HOW DOES IT WORK? WELL IT DEPENDS. SO PART OF ME, I REALLY DON'T KNOW.

WELL, JUST TO JUST SO THAT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME FAMILIES THAT DO PAY AND THEIR PAY AND THEIR PAY IS FULL PRICE OF TUITION AT OUR CURRENT COLLEGE HEIGHTS FACILITY AT OUR FRAZER CENTER, FOR OUR STAFF, IT'S A REDUCED PAY.

BECAUSE WHAT DO WE WANT TO DO? WE WANT TO RETAIN OUR STAFF.

AND THE MAJORITY OF THE STAFF OF CITY SCHOOLS OF DECATUR ARE ACTUALLY WOMEN, ACTUALLY OVER 73%.

AND SO THAT MEANS HIGH QUALITY ACCESS TO THAT EARLY LEARNING IS KEY FOR THEM, SO THAT THEN THEY CAN GO OFF FROM 8 TO 3 AND DO WHAT THEY DO EVERY SINGLE DAY IN OUR SCHOOLS.

THAT'S THE DAYCARE DESIGNATION. I MEAN, IT REALLY IS.

EXACTLY HOW WOULD YOU DIFFERENTIATE IT FROM A DAYCARE FACILITY? FROM A COMMERCIAL DAYCARE FACILITY VERSUS OURS IS ONE NOT EVERY PERSON, AS FAR AS NOT ALL COMMERCIAL FACILITIES, ARE GOING TO APPLY FOR THE GEORGIA DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION DESIGNATION.

AND SO THAT'S A BIT OF A DIFFERENT NUANCE. BUT THAT'S BECAUSE WE ARE A CITY SCHOOL SYSTEM AND WE MUST.

SO YOU HAVE BOTH PAYING AND NONPAYING. AND YES AND THOSE NON PAYING INDIVIDUALS ACCESS THAT IN VARIOUS WAYS THROUGH MULTIPLE I WOULD SAY GOVERNMENT POSSIBILITIES OR SCHOLARSHIPS.

HOW MANY HOW MANY KIDS ARE CURRENTLY IN THE TWO FACILITIES THAT YOU HAVE.

[INAUDIBLE] HI, GOOD EVENING. I'M JENNIFER BURTON, THE ASSISTANT SUPERINTENDENT FOR TEACHING AND LEARNING. WE HAVE 60 AT THE FRAZER CENTER AND 270 AT COLLEGE HEIGHTS.

AND WE HAVE WAITLISTS AT BOTH. AND I THINK WE HEARD THAT THIS WILL HAVE 134 CAPACITY, 130, 125 TO 150, DEPENDING. SO DEPENDING ON THE IF WE DO A SPECIAL NEEDS PRE-K, THEN THAT WOULD BE A SMALLER CAPACITY, BUT WE WANT TO BE RESPONSIVE TO THE NEEDS OF THE COMMUNITY AND FLEX DEPENDING IF WE NEED THOSE SPECIAL NEEDS PROGRAMS. HEARING. I'M HEARING SOME QUESTIONING OF SORT OF THE THE FLUCTUATION OF THE POPULATION.

SO I'M JUST CURIOUS, OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU'RE CONSIDERING DOING THIS, THERE'S A NEED OR DESIRE, IT SOUNDS LIKE, BUT JUST KNOWING WHAT YOU HAVE CURRENTLY.

PLUS, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY ARE ON THE WAITING LIST? WE HAVE 118 ON THE WAITLIST AT COLLEGE HEIGHTS AND FRAZER, THIS IS A BALLPARK, BUT IT'S 15 OR 20, I BELIEVE.

BUT DON'T QUOTE ME ON THE FRAZER NUMBER. WILL THIS BE DISTRICT? DISTRICT? OR IS IT JUST FIRST COME, FIRST SERVE? IF SOMEBODY WANTS TO BE A COLLEGE, IT WILL NOT BE DISTRICTED.

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NO. FRAZER CENTER THE 60 WILL MOVE INTO THIS NEW FACILITY.

THE FRAZER CENTER IS WELL OVER CAPACITY, SO I'M SORRY.

THAT WILL CLOSE. YES, THAT WILL CLOSE, AND IT WILL MOVE INTO THIS NEW FACILITY.

AND TONIGHT WE HAD A BOARD MEETING WHERE WE PRESENTED MUCH MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THIS WHICH IS A REALLY, YOU KNOW, I'D ENCOURAGE ANYONE THAT'S LISTENING TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THAT, AS WELL AS AN UPDATED FAQ ON OUR WEBSITE, BECAUSE WE GET A LOT OF THE SAME RECURRING QUESTIONS.

SO TO CLARIFY, IF I'M UNDERSTANDING THIS CORRECTLY.

SO THE FRAZER CENTER IS NOT OPEN TO CITY RESIDENTS.

IS THAT CORRECT? SO FIRST IT'S IT'S FILLED BASED ON PRIORITY.

WE START WITH STUDENT PARENTS. SO TEEN PARENTS, WE MOVE TO DHA RESIDENCE. WE MOV TO CSD STAFF AND THEN WE LOOK AT REMAINING OPEN TO OUTSIDE COMMUNITY. SO TO THE COMMUNITY. SO IT'S FILLED BASED ON A PRIORITY STATUS.

WHAT WAS THE SECOND ONE YOU SAID? STUDENT PARENTS AND WHAT WAS THE SECOND ONE? THE HOUSING AUTHORITY RESIDENCE.

SO AND CURRENTLY, THERE'S NO OUTSIDE OF THE STUDENT PARENTS AND THE HOUSING AUTHORITY.

THERE'S NO OTHER RESIDENTS THAT AREN'T IT'S NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC THE SAME WAY THAT IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. BUT WE WE FILL THE OTHERS FIRST.

THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. WITH THIS EXPANSION, WILL THERE BE ANY SPACES? INTEREST RATE WE HAVE IN THE PUBLIC OR... WE WOULD ANTICIPATE, YES, BUT OF COURSE WE WOULD STILL GO THROUGH THAT PRIORITY.

YEAH. WHAT ARE THE HOURS OF THE PEAK DROP OFF AND PICKUP? WE HAVEN'T WORKED THROUGH THE EXACT TIMING OF THE EARLY LEARNING CENTER.

BUT IT WAS THE WHAT'S COLLEGE HEIGHTS, FOR EXAMPLE.

YEAH. SO IT WOULD BE AROUND 6:30-7:00 TO 6 P.M..

SO THAT'S A TYPICAL KIND OF DAYCARE IS MORE OF A 12 HOURS.

BUT FAIR TO SAY PEAK. IS THERE A CERTAIN PARTICULAR TIME IN THE MORNING WHERE THERE'S THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE COMING? I MEAN, I WOULD GUESS PROBABLY AROUND 7:30. THAT'S AROUND WHEN I DROPPED MY KIDS OFF, KIND OF 7:00- 07:30. HOW DOES THAT ALIGN WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL ACROSS THE STREET? IT'S KIND OF THE SAME. THEY STARTED AT 8:20 OR SOMETHING.

IS THAT RIGHT? YEAH. THEY START A LITTLE BIT LATER.

THE PICKUP IS MORE LIKE 5 TO 6 KIND OF. YES. THANK YOU.

ANYBODY ELSE? I GUESS MY FIRST OPENING COMMENT WOULD BE THAT I THINK THAT THE ORDINANCE ABOUT THE PEDESTRIAN OVERLAY DISTRICT. AND IS THERE ANYTHING THAT GETS DEVELOPED WITHIN THE REGULATION? I THINK ONE OF THE POINTS THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS ENCOURAGE ESTABLISH A PROHIBITION ON NEW PARKING NEAR.

KNOWING THAT THE DEKALB COUNTY PARKING DECK IS LITERALLY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET.

IT IS VERY UNDERUTILIZED. I WOULD HIGHLY ENCOURAGE THEM, LIKE SOME OF THE OTHER COMPANIES DOWNTOWN OVERLAY DISTRICT, HAVE STRUCK DEALS WHERE BASICALLY THEY LEASE FOR CERTAIN PARTS OF THE DAY EVEN AND I THINK WE EVEN HAVE A COMPATIBILITY LIST ON OUR WITHIN THE UDO.

IS THAT CORRECT? AND I THINK DAYCARE IS ONE OF THEM WHERE LIKE DAYCARE AND POTENTIALLY HOTEL OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT MAY HAVE OPPOSING TIME PERIOD.

SURE. AND HOTEL IS ONE WHO DID REACH AGREEMENTS.

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THAT MAKES SENSE. I MEAN, I HAVE TO I HAVE TO THINK THAT COMPARED TO COLLEGE HEIGHTS AND FRAZER CENTER, I JUST I HAVE TO THINK THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE MORE PEOPLE WALKING TO THIS.

LIKE IT JUST STANDS TO REASON GIVEN THE LOCATION AND THE SURROUNDING USES.

SO OBVIOUSLY WE HAVE TO WAIT FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY TO SORT OF GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DATA.

BUT IT STANDS TO REASON, LOOKING AT THE LOCATIONS OF THOSE THREE THINGS, THAT THIS IS MUCH MORE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT.

SO TO GO BACK TO THE ORIGINAL KC, TO THE THE REPORT, THE APPLICATION.

SO IT'S IT IS C-2, IT IS C-2. AND THEN THERE'S THIS, THERE'S THIS QUESTION POTENTIALLY OF IS IT DAYCARE OR IS IT SCHOOL.

RIGHT. SO HOW DO WE HOW DO WE NAVIGATE THAT. SO WE ARE CLASSIFYING IT AS A DAYCARE BECAUSE IT'S 0 TO 4.

SO THAT'S INFANT. IT FALLS THROUGH THOSE GUIDELINES WITH THE STATE OF GEORGIA INSTRUCTIONAL USE FOR TODDLERS.

IS THAT IS IT SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT THAT PUTS IT IN THAT CATEGORY? NO, BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR IT. WELL, THAT WAS I THINK THAT WAS THAT'S WHERE I WAS.

THAT WAS AN IMPORTANT QUESTION THAT PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR IT. NOT JUST THEY'RE NOT GUARANTEED ENROLLMENT.

AND WE DON'T TIE ANYTHING TO PAYMENT. PAYMENT.

[INAUDIBLE] NO L IKE, YOU KNOW, IT'S ALL ABOUT WHAT THE ACTUAL USE IS ON THE PROPERTY.

BECAUSE AS I'M UNDERSTANDING IT BECAUSE OF THE AGE.

YEAH. THE SCHOOL'S REALLY DEFINED AS KINDERGARTEN THROUGH 12.

YEAH. I MEAN, MY COMMENTS WERE MORE PROCEDURAL.

I MEAN, I THINK THAT THERE'S PROBABLY REALLY GOOD RATIONALE FOR ALL THE DESIGN DECISIONS THAT WERE MADE.

BUT, I MEAN, A LOT OF THE BUSINESS DECISIONS THAT HAVE BEEN PRESENTED WERE MADE BY OTHER AUTHORITIES.

YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT THE ONES THAT ARE APPROVING THE SCHOOL BOARD INVESTMENT. YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST CHARGED WITH REVIEWING THE DESIGN GUIDELINES RELATIVE TO WHAT THE WHAT THE RELATIVE TO WHAT THE THE PLAN SAYS. AND, YOU KNOW, SO I THINK, YOU KNOW, I PREVIEWED MY POSITION IN MY QUESTIONS.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IF WE'RE TAKING THE SITE PLAN AND STRICTLY APPEALING IT AGAINST THE DOWNTOWN PEDESTRIAN DESIGN GUIDELINES, IF IT WASN'T A SCHOOL, IF IT WAS A THIRD PARTY DAYCARE OPERATOR, I FEEL LIKE THERE WOULD BE JUST WOULD HAVE BEEN A DIFFERENT APPLICATION. IT WOULD HAVE BEEN MORE REFERENCE MADE TO THE DESIGN GUIDELINES, MORE VARIANCES REQUESTED OF THINGS THAT DIDN'T COMPLY.

AND I MEAN, I'M JUST KIND OF INCLINED TO DEFER AND WAIT FOR THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND MAYBE REVISIT JUST, YOU KNOW, SLIGHTLY REVISED APPLICATION. IT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM.

AS ANGELA MAKES HER WAY UP TO THE FRONT OF THE ROOM, I'M REALIZING THAT I FORGOT TO ASK IF CITY STAFF HAS ANY COMMENTS OR CLARIFICATIONS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE ON IT. I JUST WELL, FIRST LET ME INTRODUCE MYSELF.

I'M ANGELA THREADGILL. I SERVE AS THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OF COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.

THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK. I'VE BEEN LISTENING TO THE COMMENTS AND THE QUESTIONS, AND I DO WANT TO USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO PROVIDE CLARIFICATIONS TO SOME OF THE POINTS THAT WERE BROUGHT UP.

THE VERY LAST CONVERSATION YOU WERE HAVING ABOUT KIND OF THE USE AND THE DEFINITION YOU KNOW, THIS IS TO ADD WHAT TO WHAT CASEY HAD MENTIONED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, OUR ZONING CODE PROVIDES DEFINITIONS.

I KNOW THAT OUR APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED CERTAIN INFORMATION.

YOU KNOW, A LOT OF BUSINESSES DO THAT. THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY USING THE TERMS THAT ARE WITHIN THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE.

AND SO WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR ZONING CODE, WE HAVE TO USE THE, THE USES THAT ARE WITHIN OUR ZONING CODE WITHIN THAT USE TABLE, AND WE HAVE TO USE OUR BEST JUDGMENT AS TO WHAT YOU KNOW.

THIS USE FITS INTO WHICH USE CATEGORY. AND WHEN IT DOESN'T CLEANLY FIT WITHIN A PARTICULAR USE, THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR HAS THE RESPONSIBILITY TO YOU KNOW, AGAIN, USE HER BEST JUDGMENT.

SO CASEY, SHE SERVES AS THE ZONING ADMINISTRATOR.

AND THERE ARE 12 CRITERIA BY WHICH SHE SHOULD USE TO, YOU KNOW, DEFINE THE USE WITHIN, YOU KNOW, THE DEFINITIONS OF THE UDO. AND SO, JUST AS SHE MENTIONED YOU KNOW, THIS THIS FACILITY IS GOING TO BE FOR, YOU KNOW, AGE ZERO THROUGH AGE FOUR. AND WHEN YOU LOOK AT SCHOOLS, YOU KNOW, WHETHER IT'S PUBLIC OR PRIVATE, IT IS KINDERGARTEN THROUGH 12TH GRADE. SO WE KNOW THAT, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING IS NOT WITHIN THE SCHOOL DEFINITION.

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SO THAT IS HOW WE'VE LANDED ON DAYCARE. I KNOW THAT THERE WAS A QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU KNOW, THIS SHOULD BE CONSIDERED A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT OR IF IT'S A LIMITED USE.

WHEN WE GO INTO THE LAND USE TABLE, SECTION 6.2, WE'VE ALREADY DEFINED IT AS A DAYCARE THAT'S LISTED UNDER COMMERCIAL USES. OKAY. IF YOU FOLLOW THAT ROW ACROSS AND YOU ALIGN IT WITH THE C-2 ZONING, WHICH IS WHAT THE ZONING DISTRICT IS, THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C-2. IT LISTS L, WHICH IS A LIMITED USE.

SO THEN WE GO TO SECTION 6.52. TWO, AND IN THAT PARTICULAR SECTION IT DISCUSSES DAYCARE.

AND WHEN DAYCARE IS A LIMITED USE, IT DISCUSSES A COMPREHENSIVE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

ANYTHING THAT REFERENCES A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT IN THAT SECTION IS INAPPLICABLE, BECAUSE WE'VE ALREADY ESTABLISHED THAT IT DOES NOT REQUIRE A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT.

OKAY. I THINK THERE WAS ALSO A COMMENT ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHETHER THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE ZONED INSTITUTIONAL.

YOU KNOW, IT'S ZONED C-2. SHOULD IT BE ZONED INSTITUTIONAL? ALL THE REST OF THE CITY SCHOOLS OF DECATUR PROPERTIES ARE ZONED INSTITUTIONAL.

HOWEVER, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT CONSIDERED A PUBLIC SCHOOL.

IT IS CONSIDERED A DAYCARE. THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A K THROUGH 12.

IF IT WAS, I THINK WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT A DIFFERENT ZONING DISTRICT.

BUT BECAUSE THIS IS A DAYCARE, BECAUSE IT'S ALLOWED AS A LIMITED USE IN THE C-2 ZONING DISTRICT, IT IS NOT NECESSARY FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM TO GO THROUGH A REZONING PROCESS.

OKAY. LOOKING AT THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL PEDESTRIAN AREA, I THINK YOU BROUGHT THAT UP ABOUT THE THE PARKING.

AND SO IT IS REQUIRED THAT PARKING BE SITUATED AT LEAST 60FT FROM ANY PUBLIC STREET, AND THAT WOULD BE ELECTRIC AVENUE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE. AND SO ANY TIME AN APPLICANT IS UNABLE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT SPECIAL PEDESTRIAN AREA, IT IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. AND SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS COME BEFORE YOU ALL FOR A RECOMMENDATION AND THEN MOVE ON TO THE CITY COMMISSION FOR FINAL ACTION.

IT IS NOT A VARIANCE. IT DOES NOT GO TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS SPECIAL EXCEPTION.

AND THEN I THINK THERE WERE SOME OTHER COMMENTS ABOUT TRANSPARENCY.

THAT IS IN ARTICLE TWO BECAUSE IT PERTAINS TO THE BUILDING TYPE THEIR PARTICULAR BUILDING TYPE, BECAUSE IT'S A COMMERCIAL OR A DAYCARE USE. WE WOULD BE LOOKING AT THE GENERAL BUILDING AS THE BUILDING TYPE AND BEING A ONE STORY BUILDING THERE ARE SOME TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENTS ON PRIMARY FACADES, THEN IT'S 40% AS THE MINIMUM TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENT. IF IT'S A SIDE STREET IT WOULD BE 20% MINIMUM.

I WAS CAN YOU RUN THAT ONE MORE TIME? WHO DETERMINES WHAT? LIKE, WE KNOW THAT WITHIN THE PEDESTRIAN OVERLAY DISTRICT THAT THE MAIN ENTRANCE HAS TO FACE OUT ONTO THE STREET.

SO WHO DETERMINES WHAT THE PRIMARY STREET IS SITUATED ON THE CORNER? CORRECT. SO YOU HAVE ESSENTIALLY THREE FRONTAGES AND TYPICALLY THE FRONTAGE IS NOT UP AGAINST THE STREET.

IS THAT CORRECT? BUT IT STILL HAS TO. WE HAVE COMMERCE, WE HAVE TRINITY AND WE HAVE ELECTRIC AVENUE A FRONTING COMMERCE.

BUT THE PROPERTY IS THAT WHY? I MEAN THERE'S THREE STREET FRONTAGES.

SO YEAH. AND SO TYPICALLY THE WAY THAT THE CITY HAS DETERMINED WHAT IS A PRIMARY FACADE IS THE, THE NARROWER OF THE LOT. SO THE NARROWEST END OF THE LOT AND FRONTING ONTO THAT, THAT STREET FRONTAGE, THAT WOULD BE THE PRIMARY IF YOU THINK ABOUT A RESIDENTIAL LOT OR MANY OTHER COMMERCIAL LOTS, THE NARROWEST OF, YOU KNOW, DIMENSION OF A LOT IS TYPICALLY THE ONE THAT FRONTS ONTO THE PRIMARY STREET.

SO ELECTRIC IN THIS CASE OR COMMERCE. OR IN THIS CASE IT WOULD BE ELECTRIC AVENUE.

AND WHAT WAS THE REFERENCE? YOU SAID IT WASN'T 5:32.

IT WAS SOMETHING ELSE. LET'S SEE HERE. SO IT'S SO THAT WOULD BE IN THE SPECIAL PEDESTRIAN AREA.

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BUT DID YOU SAY THERE WAS A DIFFERENT REFERENCE? SO IT'S IN TWO DIFFERENT AREAS.

ONE IS ARTICLE TWO, WHICH IS OUR ESSENTIALLY OUR FORM BASED CODES.

RIGHT. AND SO THERE'S SOME BUILDING DESIGN STANDARDS THAT ARE ALSO WITHIN ARTICLE TWO.

AND THEN THERE'S THE SPECIAL PEDESTRIAN AREA.

AND THEN THIS GOES ON TOP OF THAT. YEAH THAT'S FAIR.

AND WHAT WERE THE CRITERIA. IT WAS EVEN MORE RESTRICTIVE OR MORE.

YOU SAID IT WAS 40% TRANSPARENCY. YES. AND WHAT WAS IT THAT YOU CALLED IT? BECAUSE IT'S ONE STORY. IT'S A COMMERCIAL BUILDING.

SURE. HOLD ON. LET ME GET TO CROSS-EXAMINE. YOU JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE WE HAVE IT RIGHT.

AND I'M USING THE SMALL SCREEN ON MY PHONE. YEAH.

WELL THAT'S HANDY. ALL RIGHT. SO IT WOULD BE THE GENERAL BUILDING, WHICH IS A BUILDING TYPE DESIGNED TO ACCOMMODATE COMMERCIAL OFFICE OR INDUSTRIAL ACTIVITY.

WE KNOW THAT DAYCARE FITS UNDER THE COMMERCIAL CATEGORY.

IF YOU LOOK AT THE LAND USE TABLE. AND SO IF YOU GO TO AGAIN ARTICLE TWO AND THEN YOU SEE THE TRANSPARENCY FOR GROUND STORY OR ONE STORY BUILDINGS.

THANK YOU.

YOU KNOW, THIS ALSO FALLS UNDER THE SPECIAL PARKING OVERLAY DISTRICT AS WELL.

IS THAT CORRECT? IT DOES. ARE THERE ANY REQUIREMENTS THAT WE NEED TO BE? WITHIN THAT WITH THE PARKING DISTRICT. I MEAN, I'M I APPRECIATE YOU BRINGING UP THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT.

I MEAN, THAT'S REALLY YEAH, I WAS LOOKING AT IT RIGHT NOW.

IT SAYS 80% UP TO 80% WITHOUT ANY. OFF SITE. BUT I WASN'T SURE IF THERE WAS ANYTHING THAT LIKE.

RIGHT. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, LOOKING AT THE AREA, WE ALREADY KNOW THAT THE, THE PARKING LOT THAT IS OVER BY WEBSTER FIELD THAT SERVICES BOTH THE REC CENTER, WEBSTER RECREATION CENTER, AS WELL AS THE ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES.

THAT IS ALREADY PRETTY MUCH AT CAPACITY. SO WE REALLY CAN'T PUSH THOSE WHO WOULD BE PARKING FOR THIS FACILITY INTO THAT.

THERE IS THE DECATUR. THEY DO HAVE A PARKING DECK.

HOWEVER, WHEN I HAVE VISITED THERE, YOU KNOW, THERE THEY'RE PARKING.

DECK IT. THE THE AREA IN WHICH WOULD BE OPEN FOR KIND OF A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT IS QUITE FULL ALREADY.

BECAUSE THEY'RE SERVICING A GOOD NUMBER OF THEIR COMMERCIAL TENANTS THAT ARE IN THE, THE GROUND FLOOR OF THAT BUILDING, AS WELL AS THE WEWORK AS WELL. SO IT'S THERE IS THE DEKALB COUNTY SURFACE PARKING LOT.

BUT LOOKING LONG TERM AT THE KIND OF THE FUTURE OF THAT SURFACE PARKING LOT, WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE TOWN CENTER FORM 2.0, WE ARE LOOKING AT YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY REDEVELOPING THAT SURFACE PARKING LOT.

YEAH. SO THERE'S THE COUNTY ADMINISTRATIVE OFFICES AS WELL AS THE MALOOF AUDITORIUM.

AND THEN THAT LARGE SURFACE AREA, KIND OF TURNING THAT INTO PARKING DECK WITH POTENTIAL APARTMENTS OR CONDOS OR WHAT HAVE YOU.

SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE GENERAL. OH, SORRY. I MEAN, THERE'S ALSO, I GUESS, THE COURTHOUSE AND HEALTH.

THEY'RE ALL. THE COURTHOUSE IS BEING RENOVATED.

IT IS. AND IT IS SOMETHING PERHAPS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM COULD CONSIDER.

SORRY, I DIDN'T MEAN TO CUT YOU OFF. SO. SO, GOING BACK TO THE GENERAL BUILDING, ITEMS LIKE THE STREET FACING FACADE LENGTH 200 FOOT MAX WOULD APPLY. I WOULD DEFER TO THE DESIGN TEAM TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FACADE LENGTH IS.

I THINK IT'S NOT EXCEEDING. I THINK IT'S MUCH LONGER.

I MEAN, I'M JUST TRYING TO CLARIFY THE RULES WHETHER IT IS OR ISN'T, BUT THAT'S IF YOU'RE TRYING TO ANALYZE THE COMPLIANCE.

YOU WOULD LOOK AT THE GENERAL BUILDING, WHICH HAS A 200 FOOT MAX LENGTH.

IS THAT FAIR? OKAY. THAT IS CORRECT, YES. BUT I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF SHARE THOSE CLARIFICATIONS WITH YOU AND KIND OF HOW WE'VE REACHED WHERE, YOU KNOW, HOW WE'VE GOTTEN TO THIS POINT IN TERMS OF, YOU KNOW, THE USE CATEGORY, THE DEFINITION.

YOU KNOW WHAT WHAT WE WOULD CONSIDER A PRIMARY FACADE.

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ONE OTHER HOUSEKEEPING THING I WANTED TO TAKE CARE OF REALLY QUICK. THERE WAS ANOTHER QUESTION. CAN YOU EXPLAIN I CAN EXPLAIN THAT REGARDING QUORUM AND HOW QUORUM IS.

SURE. SO WE DO HAVE A QUORUM THIS EVENING. WE HAVE FOUR MEMBERS HERE.

MR. MCFARLAND DID ABSTAIN JUST BECAUSE HE DOES HAVE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

SO THEN IT GOES TO OUR VOTING PROCEDURES IN ORDER TO PASS A MOTION TONIGHT SPECIFICALLY ON THIS CASE.

ALL THREE VOTES WOULD BE NEEDED FOR THE SAME MOTION TO MOVE FORWARD.

JUST SO YOU KNOW AND ARE AWARE OF THAT. SO IT WOULD BE THE VOTE HAS TO BE THE MAJORITY OF THE QUORUM, AND WE HAVE QUORUM, AND THREE IS THE MAJORITY.

BUT I WANTED TO PUT IT OUT THERE SINCE A QUESTION CAME UP.

ANOTHER NO, I MEAN, THAT WAS THAT WAS HELPFUL.

SO, I MEAN, THE QUESTION ABOUT TAKE CARE QUESTION ABOUT THE CATEGORY THAT WE'RE CURRENTLY IN.

SO THAT'S ALL MY RIGHT. I THINK THAT, I MEAN, WHERE I'M, WHERE I'M HEARING LIKE JUST SLIGHTEST HESITATION IS, IS THE DESIGN OF THE FACADE ON ALONG WEST TRINITY AND SOME QUESTIONS AROUND PARKING AND UNDERSTANDING.

WE CAN'T DO THE TRAFFIC STUDY WHEN SCHOOL IS NOT IN.

THAT MAKES SENSE. SO WE CAN WE HAVE A DRAFT ORDINANCE IN THE PACKAGE.

YOU DO. WE WE CAN MODIFY THIS, RIGHT? WE CAN APPROVE THIS WITH CONDITIONS IF YOU WANT.

YES. SO IT'S NOT STRAIGHT? STRAIGHT UP? YES. NO.

I WOULD SUGGEST, I THINK WHAT FEELS LIKE THE RIGHT APPROACH TO ME IS TO IS TO ADD WHATEVER THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE.

YOU FORGOT WHAT THE APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE IS ABOUT CONFIRMING THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

YOU KNOW THAT THAT SHOULD BE SORT OF A CONDITION.

ALSO, YOU KNOW, ENCOURAGING THE TEAM TO TO LOOK AT CREATIVE WAYS TO MINIMIZE.

ON SITE PARKING, WHETHER IT'S LEASING SPACE IN THE DECK SOMEWHERE OR WHATEVER.

I KNOW WE'VE ALREADY TALKED ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK THAT THAT SEEMS TO HAVE COME UP A LOT WITH WITH PARKING AND TRAFFIC FLOW THROUGH THE SITE.

AND THEN LIKE, WE'VE JUST BEEN TALKING ABOUT A FRIENDLIER, MORE ACTIVE ON THE TRINITY SIDE THAT STILL MAINTAINS THE NEED FOR SAFETY TO ME AFTER HEARING, LIKE, ALL THESE DETAILS AND ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SPOKE LIKE THOSE ARE THE BIG THINGS THAT ARISE IN MY MIND.

SO I WOULD SAY IF WE CAN, IF WE CAN CRAFT THAT LANGUAGE TO AMEND THIS ORDINANCE, I WOULD.

BUT WHAT WOULD YOU PROPOSE? I MEAN, THERE'S I'M NOT OPPOSED TO THAT.

I JUST HAVE A LOT OF OPEN QUESTIONS. I'M NOT EVEN SURE WHAT THE LANGUAGE WOULD SAY. I MEAN, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, I MEAN, YOU'VE GOT THIS TRINITY ACCESS.

I'M SORRY. THIS COMMERCE ACCESS WITH THE HIGH SCHOOL IS GOING TO BE VERY BUSY COMING OUT ON ON AN ELECTRIC WITH THE REC CENTER IS GOING TO BE VERY, YOU KNOW, LIKE THERE'S SO MUCH INFORMATION WE DON'T EVEN HAVE. I'M PROBABLY LEANING MORE TOWARDS LIKE A SECOND SUBMITTAL WHERE WE CAN REVIEW THE INFORMATION.

THERE'S SO MANY DESIGN ISSUES WITH THE BUILDING AS DESIGNED. IT'S 330FT LONG IF I'M DOING THIS RIGHT, I MEAN, THERE'S NO ENGAGEMENT. I MEAN, I JUST WHAT WOULD THE YOU WOULD MAKE A MOTION THAT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO CORRECT ALL THESE ISSUES, BUT WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE IT OR BE ABLE TO REACT TO IT. RIGHT. WELL, I MEAN, WE'RE SO WE'RE MAKING THIS IS THE DRAFT THAT WILL ACTUALLY GO TO THE CITY COMMISSION. THAT'S CORRECT. SO WE'RE WE'RE MAKING A RECOMMENDATION AND WE'RE JUST ATTACHING SOME CONDITIONS THAT SAY YOU MEET THE GUIDELINES AND AND MAKE SURE THAT THAT TRAFFIC. OKAY. MAKE SURE THAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY REALLY PROVES OUT THE.

YEAH I GOT YOU. FLOW IS OPTIMIZED. WHATEVER IS THE RIGHT WAY TO SAY THAT.

I'M NOT SURE. EXCUSE ME. IF WE WANTED TO MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF.

PARKING AGREEMENT OR REDUCE THE ONSITE PARKING.

I MEAN, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. WE CAN MAKE A GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO TO OFFSET PARKING OFF ON THE SITE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.

YEAH, I HEAR YOU. I MEAN, I THINK WE HAVE THE SAME KINDS OF CONCERNS.

YEAH. I FEEL LIKE IF WE ATTACH THOSE CONDITIONS, THEN WHEN THE CITY COMMISSION REVIEWS IT, THEY ARE GOING TO USE THOSE CRITERIA AS WELL, BECAUSE THOSE ARE LIKE WHEN I LOOK AT THE SIX STANDARDS THAT WE'RE ASKED TO USE IN EVALUATING. AND AS I LOOK AT IT, I THINK WE'VE, I THINK A, B, C AND F ARE GENERALLY THOSE ARE, THOSE ARE MET. AND I THINK THAT I THINK WE'RE FINE.

I THINK D AND E TALK ABOUT BURDEN ON THE STREETS OR ADEQUATE INGRESS AND EGRESS.

AND THAT'S AGAIN I THINK JUST FROM EYEBALLING IT PROBABLY FINE TOO.

BUT I THINK THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL THAT'S WHY IF.

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CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. WE'RE APPROVING A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN OR A SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN.

AND AT THIS POINT, IT SEEMS LIKE WE'RE ASKING FOR PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL CHANGES TO THE SITE.

YEAH, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE THAT'S KIND OF WHERE I AM TOO.

I MEAN, IT'S JUST SUCH A BIG WHAT'S THE I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GOING TO SAY.

YEAH, I MEAN IT'S, YEAH, IT'S LIKE IF EVERYTHING IS PERFECT, THEN IT'S GREAT.

BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE, WHAT DO WE. WHAT'S THE POINT OF EVEN HAVING THIS MEETING, YOU KNOW? IT'S LIKE.

AND LIKE, I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE MAY BE SOME VARIANCES WHERE IF THERE'S SOME SECURITY ISSUES.

WELL, YEAH. BECAUSE I MEAN THAT'S THE OTHER PIECE IS A SPECIAL EXCEPTION, RIGHT. I MEAN, THIS BODY IS SUPPOSED TO REVIEW THESE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS AND THEY HAVEN'T BEEN PRESENTED. RIGHT. I WILL SAY LIKE IN GENERAL, I MEAN, I HAVE YOUNG CHILDREN AT THE MOMENT CURRENTLY.

LIKE, I'M AWARE OF THE LIMITATIONS THAT THERE ARE CHILD CARE IN THIS AREA AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY, BUT I AM FULLY ON BOARD WITH THE CONCEPT. I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THE LOCATION.

I THINK THAT IF WE CAN MAKE IT FIT INTO THE. PLAN THAT I THINK THAT YEAH, I THINK IT'S MORE JUST PROCEDURAL JUST MEETING THE DESIGN GUIDELINES.

AND THEN I THINK YOU HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE ROBUST CONVERSATION WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD, TOO.

AND, YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE APPLICANT TO GO AND MAYBE HAVE FURTHER CONVERSATIONS WITH THOSE GUYS, AND MAYBE THERE'S A DEAL TO BE HAD WITH HOW THIS GREEN SPACE GETS ACTIVATED.

MAYBE IT'S PASSIVE, MAYBE THERE'S SOMETHING SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. MAYBE THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, DESTINATION PLAYGROUND THAT ENDS UP BEING A TOURIST ATTRACTION. OR MAYBE THERE'S A CAROUSEL. I DON'T KNOW, I JUST FEEL LIKE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY HERE FOR THERE TO BE A LITTLE BIT MORE ENGAGEMENT BEFORE WE JUST SORT OF SHUTTLED US ALONG. SO THAT'S THE OTHER REASON WHY I'M KIND OF LEANING TOWARDS THE DEFERRAL AND JUST LETTING THERE BE A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT, A LITTLE MORE REFINEMENT ON THE PLAN, A LITTLE BIT MORE STUDYING THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

LET'S TAKE A BEAT AND JUST KIND OF YOU KNOW, MAKE SURE WE PUT THE BEST FOOT FORWARD AS OPPOSED TO JAMMING IT THROUGH.

SO I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE I'M JUST OPENING GOOGLE EARTH.

I SAID, WHAT DID YOU MEASURE? WELL, I MEAN, I'M EYEBALLING ON GOOGLE EARTH COMPARED TO THE ONE I'M LOOKING AT.

SO IT IS IT DOES LOOK LIKE IT'S MORE THAN 200FT, RIGHT? YEAH. I'M JUST DOING THE SCALE ON THE THING AND DOING THE COUNTING, YOU KNOW. BUT YEAH, IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S MORE THAN TWO. SO I MEAN, YEAH, YOU GUYS KNOW, CAN WE ASK THE APPLICANT WHAT THE BUILDING LENGTH IS? WHAT IS THE BUILDING LENGTH ON ON TRINITY BUILDING RIGHT NOW.

OKAY. I'M. ALARM. THE OVERALL LENGTH ALONG WEST TRINITY IS A LITTLE AROUND 320FT.

YEAH, THAT WAS CLOSE. I SAID 330. YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY GOOD.

YEAH. WELL, I THINK WE HAVE TO BE UNANIMOUS, SO WE DON'T HAVE TO BE UNANIMOUS.

BUT SO WHERE ARE WE? I WOULD MOTION TO TABLE TO AUGUST.

THAT A FORMAL MOTION? NO, I'M JUST SAYING YOU WOULD I WOULD I MEAN, THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IN THE SPIRIT OF THE THREE OF US TRYING TO GET TO A CONSENSUS.

THAT'S WHAT I WOULD. BECAUSE, I MEAN, WHEN IS THE NEXT CITY COMMISSION MEETING? SO THEY ARE SCHEDULED TO BE ON NEXT MONDAY'S MEETING.

WE WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE THE TRAFFIC STUDY YOU ALL THIS STUFF WOULD BE YOU ARE LOOKING AT THE THE CONCEPTUAL SITE PLAN, THE SITE DEVELOPMENT PLAN. AND WE'VE SEEN THIS BEFORE WHERE CONDITIONS ARE ATTACHED.

THIS IS REALLY JUST LAYING OUT THE ITEMS THAT CAME UP AND THAT THEY NEED TO ADDRESS.

THEY DO HAVE A SHORT TIMELINE TO ADDRESS SOME OF THOSE COMMENTS.

BUT EVEN ATTACHING THOSE CONDITIONS, WE'VE SEEN THIS DONE BEFORE.

THE CITY HAS DONE IT BEFORE, THE CITY COMMISSION HAS DONE IT BEFORE.

THE APPLICANTS HAVE TAKEN BACK AND TRIED TO MAKE THOSE CHANGES.

AND ONCE AGAIN, THAT'S REALLY THE GUIDE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH AS TO HOW IT WOULD LOOK IN THE FUTURE.

AND WE ALL KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE ARCHITECTURAL CHANGES, THERE'S GOING TO BE ENGINEERING CHANGES.

BUT THE IDEA IS THAT THE INTENT IS STILL KIND OF, YOU KNOW, THE MAJOR TOPICS AND THEY'RE ALL STILL INTACT WHEN THEY GO TO DEVELOPMENT.

BUT LET'S SAY THEY SAY, HEY, WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE THIS DOOR IN THIS PLACE.

WE REALLY HAVE TO HAVE A BUILDING OF THIS SIZE TO MEET OUR PROGRAM, THIS GROUP WOULD NOT HAVE HAD THE ABILITY TO HAVE A SPECIAL EXCEPTION VOTE.

SO WE WOULD JUST WAIVE THAT. THEY WOULD COME BACK.

THEY WOULD COME BACK. OKAY. BECAUSE I MEAN, IF WE JUST PUSH THEM THROUGH THE CITY COUNCIL, THEN WHAT'S THE ACTION? THEY WOULDN'T. I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND.

WE'RE. RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF THE SITE PLAN THEN.

OR AREN'T THE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS? THIS IS THIS IS JUST THE OVERALL MASTER DEVELOPMENT PLAN ON ESSENTIALLY KIND OF HOW IT LAYS OUT ON THE SITE, BUT NOT THE BUILDING AND NOT THE PARKING. THINGS CAN BE MODIFIED.

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YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE POINT OF ACCESS. YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE STREETSCAPES, YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE ARCHITECTURE.

I'M SURE THEY'VE THEY'VE ALREADY EVEN SAID THAT SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WILL BE LOOKING AT AGAIN.

SO EVEN, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE LOOK AT IT AS A WHOLE, THERE ARE, YOU KNOW, THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT CHANGE FROM THIS TYPE OF ZONING APPROVAL TO THE POINT THAT THE ACTUAL BUILDING PERMIT IS RELEASED.

SO I ACTUALLY DO HAVE ONE MORE QUESTION FOR THE APPLICANT.

SO I THINK SO WE'RE LOOKING AT A ONE STORY BUILDING AT THE MOMENT, BUT I THINK WE SAID 118.

ON THE WAITLIST AT COLLEGE HEIGHTS, 15 TO 20 ON THE WAITLIST AT THE FRAZER CENTER.

I GET THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE SLIGHTLY LARGER THAN THE CURRENT FRAZER CENTER, BUT HAS THERE BEEN ANY CONSIDERATION TO POTENTIALLY A MULTI-STORY BUILDING? THAT WOULD BE THE DEMANDS THAT YOU CURRENTLY HAVE OR.

DON'T PUT IT OUT BECAUSE WE'RE STILL LOOKING AT THE ONE.

I'M STILL JUST CONFUSED PROCEDURALLY. SO SORRY.

SO IF WE SAY THAT WE APPROVE WITH CONDITIONS THAT IT MEETS THE CRITERIA WHICH SAYS THE BUILDING HAS TO BE 200FT, IT WOULD THEN HAVE TO DO THAT OR THEY WOULD COME BACK TO US LATER WITH AN EXCEPTION. IF THEY CAN'T DO THAT. THAT'S CORRECT.

OKAY, OKAY. GOT IT. AND THERE COULD BE VERY CREATIVE WAYS THEY CAN COME UP WITH TO MAKE THAT HAPPEN.

GOT IT. OKAY. AND THE SAME WOULD APPLY FOR THE CIRCULATION AND PARKING STUFF.

THAT'S YOUR POINT. SO WE COULD LIST OUT EVERY SINGLE CODE REQUIREMENT THAT'S NOT IN HERE. YEAH. YEAH I DON'T THINK WE'RE NOT WE'RE NOT ASKED TO SCRUTINIZE DOWN TO LIKE THAT SPECIFIC DETAIL. I THINK WE'RE WE'RE GUIDED BY THESE STANDARDS.

AND WE HAVE APPARENTLY THERE IS A PRECEDENT FOR DOING THERE IS WE SEE THEM ALL THE TIME WHEN WE REVIEW OUR PLANS.

THESE ARE THE CONDITIONS SO THAT THE NEXT GROUP THAT REVIEWS IT AFTER US WILL ALSO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT OUR DELIBERATIONS.

WE'LL SEE A LOT OF THE TIME WHEN WE'RE DOING THINGS ON A SMALL.

YEAH, YEAH, IT'S A JUDGMENT CALL ON WHAT WHAT THE.

YEAH. WHAT THE MAGNITUDE IS. AND ON THE TRAFFIC STUDY PIECE, IF WE APPROVED AND IT WENT TO CITY COMMISSION NEXT WEEK, THERE WOULDN'T BE NO THERE WOULD BE NO TRAFFIC STUDY. WELL, THEY'RE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT TRAFFIC STUDY FOR PERMITTING, SO IT WILL COME IN. THERE WOULD BE NO PUBLIC REVIEW OR ENGAGEMENT ON TRAFFIC STUDY.

SO THAT'S MY OTHER CONCERN IS BUT THERE WOULD BE SOME WAY LIKE IF THE TRAFFIC STUDY SAID, HEY, HERE'S LIKE THREE ISSUES THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED, THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE ADDRESSED TO THE STAFF.

THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. HERE'S HOW WE'RE GOING TO ADDRESS THAT. THAT'S CORRECT. WHATEVER.

OKAY. IT'S JUST NOT AS TRANSPARENT. WELL, YOU WERE ABOUT TO MAKE ONE, BUT DO YOU STILL WANT TO MAKE THAT ONE OR. BECAUSE.

I MEAN, I WOULD I'M NOT MAKING IT RIGHT THIS SECOND, BUT I WOULD I WOULD MOVE THAT WE APPROVE IT WITH THESE COUPLE OF CONDITIONS.

AND WE'LL HAVE TO GET CASEY TO MAYBE SUGGEST THE ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE.

YOU WERE GOING TO MOVE DIFFERENTLY. YEAH, I MEAN, I SEE.

YEAH. I MEAN, YOU COULD DO IT ONE OF TWO WAYS. YOU COULD SAY I APPROVE SO LONG THAT IT DOESN'T FLY WITH X, Y, Z. ABC ISSUE WE HAVE WITH THE PLAN AND YOU CAN LIST ALL THOSE OUT.

OR WE COULD SIMPLY ASK THEM TO COME BACK IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS WITH THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WITH THE REVISED PLAN, AND A LITTLE BIT MORE COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT AND KIND OF REVISIT AT THAT TIME, WHICH IS KIND OF WHERE I LEAD. BUT CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THAT FLIGHT THING? I'M NOT SURE. ANGELA LONG, THAT'S THE THIS THIS DESIGN, YOU KNOW, ANGELA SAID, YOU KNOW, IT'S A C-2 GENERAL BUILDING WHICH HAS A 200 FOOT LENGTH REQUIREMENT, AND THIS IS 320 MAXIMUM 200 FOOT.

YEAH. WHICH IS A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL DEVIATION, YOU KNOW.

YEAH. SO I DON'T KNOW. I MEAN, I DON'T, YOU KNOW, I THINK FROM A DESIGN STANDPOINT THAT CAN BE THAT CAN BE MODULATED WITH MASSING AND MATERIALS AND THINGS. RIGHT? IT CAN BE YOU CAN OFFSET THINGS AND START TO BREAK IT UP SO THAT IT SO THAT IT COMPLIES.

MAXIMUM BUILDING LENGTH IS I THING THAT'S NOT SAYING LIKE SUBJECT TO.

THAT'S RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT. I THINK THAT'S WHAT THEY DID JUST A BLOCK OVER ON THE THE APARTMENTS ON THE CALLAWAY SITE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE THEY ACTUALLY BREAK IT UP WITH SOME I THINK THAT'S RIGHT. I DON'T I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS LEEWAY TO USE MATERIAL DIFFERENCES IN MASSING AND DIFFERENT DESIGN MOVES.

YEAH. THAT'S THAT'S IT APPEARS. IT APPEARS. WELL, AND THAT'S THE ESSENCE OF IT.

I MEAN, DO YOU WANT TO. YEAH. I MEAN, YOU'RE DEFERRING TO STAFF AT THAT POINT AS OPPOSED TO SEEING IT YOURSELF.

I GUESS BEFORE WE MAKE A MOTION, I WOULD ASK THE APPLICANT IF YOU COULD ELABORATE ON ANY CONCERNS YOU MAY HAVE IF THERE IF A DEFERRAL WERE THE RECOMMENDATION.

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FROM A DEFERRAL STANDPOINT, I THINK THAT THE THE GOAL IS TO KIND OF SUBMIT FOR THE LDP IN AUGUST SO WE CAN START DOING THE BUILDING PERMIT PROCESS SOMETIME IN THE FALL. I KNOW THE OWNER WAS VERY INTERESTED IN TRYING TO BREAK GROUND BEFORE THE END OF THE YEAR.

SO WE'RE KNOWING THAT WE HAVE TO GET A TRAFFIC STUDY BEFORE WE CAN EVEN SUBMIT FOR THE LDP.

DOING THAT IN AUGUST. I THINK THAT'S KIND OF HAND IN HAND WHEN WHEN WE'RE TRYING TO SUBMIT FOR THE LDP.

SO THAT'S IF WE DEFER UNTIL AUGUST AND THE AUGUST MEETING.

I THINK THAT JUST KIND OF HOLDS UP THE PROCESS A LITTLE BIT FOR US, BECAUSE WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT OPEN.

BY A CERTAIN I MEAN, THERE'S NO CALENDAR YEAR BECAUSE IT'S DAYCARE, RIGHT? SO THERE'S NO IT'S NOT LIKE YOU HAVE TO BE OPEN BY AUGUST. I THINK THERE'S SOME OBLIGATIONS FROM A FUNDING STANDPOINT AND OPERATIONAL STANDPOINT THAT THEY'RE TRYING TO MEET.

WHAT HAPPENS IF THE TRAFFIC STUDY COMES BY AND THEY RECOMMEND AN XYZ DESIGN CHANGE WITH QUEUING LANES AND DECEL LANES AND THIS AND THAT, AND IT IMPACTS YOUR SITE PLAN. I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU YOU HAVE TO REVISIT AT THAT TIME OR THINK WE'D BE FORCED TO? ABSOLUTELY. OKAY. OKAY. GOT IT. SORRY. CAN YOU ELABORATE ON THE FEDERAL ON THE FUNDING? LIKE, IF YOU GOT DEFERRED TO AUGUST AND YOU HAD TO DO YOUR LDP IN OCTOBER, WOULD THAT.

WELL, I THINK I WOULD SAY IS THAT. SORRY. WHAT MIGHT THE QUESTION WOULD BE IN SCOPE, OUT OF SCOPE FOR THIS SPECIFIC MEETING. THERE ARE SOME THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT ARE PENDING FOR MULTIPLE FUNDING STRATEGIES THAT ARE HAPPENING WITH THE BOARD OF EDUCATION, BUT THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY AROUND THE ZONING PART.

I WILL SAY THAT THE BOARD IS COMMITTED TO STAYING ON TRACK, ON TIME, ON BUDGET, AS CLOSE AS POSSIBLE.

DECEMBER IS DECEMBER, SO WE WANT WE HAVE WE WANT TO THINK ABOUT THAT VERY STRATEGICALLY.

SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE'RE ASKED TO EVALUATE IS THE TRAFFIC STUDY, WHICH IS WHICH IS AVAILABLE.

AND SO THE QUESTION IF WE WERE TO DEFER IN ORDER TO VEHICLE TRAFFIC STUDY, WOULD YOU HAVE ISSUES WITH STILL OBTAINING FUNDING AT THAT POINT, OR WE WOULD FOR SOME, SOME SOME OF THE FUNDING THAT WE ARE SEEKING.

THAT'S A TOUGH ONE. I UNDERSTAND YOUR MOTION.

YEAH, I CAN DO IT. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THAT THE FACT THAT THE BIGGEST CONCERNS THAT WE HAVE, THERE'S THERE'S THERE ARE MECHANISMS IN PLACE TO ALREADY ADDRESS THOSE THAT THEY'RE NOT WE'RE NOT THROWING THEM OUT THE WINDOW.

SO THEN IF WE WERE TO ENUMERATE THOSE CONCERNS, DEPENDING THE TRAFFIC, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE TRAFFIC STUDY FROM SOMETHING.

YEAH. BUT I THINK I THINK IT'S SOMETHING LIKE I DON'T KNOW IF CASEY, IF YOU HAVE SOME PROPOSED LANGUAGE, BUT IT'S SOMETHING I MEAN, IN MY MIND, IT'S SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF VERIFYING.

YEAH. IF YOU WANT ME TO JUST TAKE IT. SO IF YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CONDITIONS.

YEAH. SO CONDITION NUMBER ONE COULD BE A TRAFFIC STUDY IS REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED.

SIMPLE AS THAT. RIGHT. THAT'S WHAT YOU WANT. LIKE THE ACTUAL EVALUATED FOR ITS IMPACT.

WELL STAFF WILL REVIEW IT. THAT'S A GIVEN. THAT'S ABSOLUTELY A GIVEN.

TO LOOK AT TRAFFIC. SO SO THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY WILL BE FOLLOWED.

THAT'S CORRECT. THAT'S THAT'S OUR INTERNAL PROCESS.

WHETHER YOU ALL SEE MANY TIMES, LIKE I SAID, MOST OF THESE PROJECTS DO HAVE TRAFFIC STUDIES.

THEY COME IN DURING THE PERMITTING PROCESS. THAT'S A GIVEN.

WHATEVER, RIGHT. AND WHATEVER IS WARRANTED, THE CITY STAFF WILL WORK AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE IT HAPPEN.

THE NEXT ONE WOULD BE TO LOOK AT SHARED PARKING ACCESS AGREEMENTS.

TO POTENTIALLY OFFSET SOME OF THE ONSITE PARKING.

THAT'S CORRECT. MAYBE RESULTING IN A REDUCTION.

YOU COULD ADD THAT IF YOU WANTED IN THERE AND I WOULD SAY COMPLIANCE WITH THE DOWNTOWN PEDESTRIAN AREA, WITH NO SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS. AND THEY'RE PROBABLY GOING TO COME BACK AND ASK FOR A SPECIAL EXCEPTION BECAUSE OF THE REASONS NOTED. SO.

AND THAT'S FINE. LIKE ONCE THEY ADVANCE THE DESIGN, THEN THEY CAN DO THAT IF THEY. RIGHT. AND THEY CAN COME BACK AND ASK FOR THOSE SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS. AND THEN YOU WOULD REVIEW THOSE WITH THE CRITERIA AT THAT TIME.

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GREAT. YEAH, OF COURSE THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. SO THOSE ARE THOSE ARE ESSENTIALLY THE THREE.

THOSE ARE THE THREE. THOSE ARE THE THREE THAT I HEARD Y'ALL SAY KIND OF.

ARE THERE OTHERS IN THE PARKING? I'M NOT SURE WHAT.

WELL, YEAH. NOT JUST. WELL, THAT WOULD BE IT ALLOWS THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS.

I'M JUST SAYING THAT IF WE'RE GOING TO ENUMERATE THAT THEY FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE PEDESTRIAN OVERLAY DISTRICT, THEN WE SHOULD ALSO ENUMERATE FULL COMPLIANCE WITH THE PARKING. NO PROBLEM. AND THE GENERAL ANYTHING THAT'S NOT IN COMPLIANCE AT THE MOMENT.

SURE. I GUESS IT GOES WITHOUT SAYING, BUT YOU ALSO INCLUDE ARTICLE TWO, GENERAL, YOU KNOW, GENERAL BUILDING, RIGHT? I MEAN, TO FEED ALL THAT.

YEAH. THEY MEET EVERY SINGLE CRITERIA. THEN THAT'S APPROVED.

YEAH. OKAY. IF THERE'S ANY SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS.

THAT'S CORRECT. I WOULD JUST COME BACK. OKAY.

I THINK ONE OF THEM. I'M NOT SURE IF IT'S GOING TO ADD THIS. BIKE RACK FOR EVERY TEN PARKING SPACES OR SOMETHING I THINK IS PART OF THAT.

I'M NOT SURE WHAT BIKE PARKING ON THERE. THAT'S CORRECT.

WE REQUIRE THAT IN THE CODE SO THEY WOULD NEED THEM.

YES, I KNOW THERE'S BIKE PARKING OUT HERE. I'M NOT SURE OF THE QUANTITY BECAUSE THEY'RE ADDING NEW SPACES LIKE IF THEY OFF-SITE PARKING, THEY DON'T HAVE TO. OKAY, THAT'S A GOOD POINT. BIKE SPACES.

YEAH. AND PART OF THAT EVALUATION OF THE PEDESTRIAN AREA WILL BE THE EVALUATION OF THE SITE OF THE ELEVATIONS AND STUFF, YOU KNOW, LIKE CMU CORNER, YOU KNOW, THAT KIND OF STUFF YOU GUYS WILL ADDRESS.

YEAH, WE'LL ADDRESS ALL THAT. SO YOU'RE SAYING FULL PEDESTRIAN AND THEN WOULD BE YEAH.

WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL ADMINISTRATION.

THE TRANSPARENCY. YEAH. THOSE ARE ALL THAT STUFF THAT'S IN THERE.

5.3.2. RIGHT. WANT TO SUGGEST 200 FOOT CHANGE IN MATERIALS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? NO, I MEAN, THAT'S YOU KNOW, I MEAN, SOMETIMES I THINK WE POINT TO WHAT THE ORDINANCE ALREADY SAYS.

YEAH. I DON'T THINK WE MENTIONED THAT IN HERE.

IT'S IN THE CODE. IT'S FINE. WE SHOULD. SAY IT HAS TO COMPLY WITH THAT.

THAT DOESN'T SAY I THING. I DON'T THINK THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE'VE BEEN. I THINK IF WE APPROVE THE SITE PLAN. WELL.

NOT TRUE. RIGHT. WE'RE NOT. WE'RE NOT REALLY. YEAH. THE SITE PLAN HAS TO COMPLY WITH C-2 GENERAL BUILDING GUIDELINES, RIGHT? RIGHT. CASEY? THAT'S CORRECT. OKAY. AND THE DOWNTOWN SPECIAL OR WHATEVER.

PEDESTRIAN. AND THEN THE ALL THE APPLICABLE STUFF.

YES. YEAH. 5.3 TRANSPARENCY. OKAY.

WORKS FOR ME. OKAY. WELL, I WOULD THEN I WOULD, I WOULD MOVE THAT WE MAKE THE RECOMMENDATION TO APPROVE IT TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE THREE CONDITIONS THAT WERE JUST OUTLINED, WHICH ARE COMPLIANCE WITH THE WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE TRAFFIC STUDY.

GOOD FAITH EFFORT TO POTENTIALLY LOCATE SOME PARKING OFF SITE AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE SECTION 5.3 SPECIAL PEDESTRIAN AREA. AND. WELL, IT'S PROBABLY IMPLICIT, BUT THE GENERAL BUILDING.

DESIGN GUIDELINES. YES, I THINK THAT'S SECTION FIVE SIX.

OKAY. SO. I'VE GOT FIVE I'VE GOT THE PEDESTRIAN OVERLAY OVERLAY.

OVERLAY. THE OTHER ONE. OKAY. SO DID YOU GET THAT.

YES I DO. MORE CONDITIONS THAN USUAL. THERE'S 3123, FOUR AND FIVE.

RIGHT. FIVE. FIVE. YEAH. OKAY. DO YOU WANT TO SAY THAT'S NOT ENOUGH? I WOULD YEAH I WOULD MOVE APPROVAL WITH THOSE WITH THOSE FIVE.

SO I THINK WE HAVE A MOTION. WE HAVE A SECOND.

SECOND. MOTION. SECOND. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.

AYE. AYE. ALL THOSE OPPOSED? NAY. ANY ABSTENTIONS IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.

ONE ABSTENTION. AND WITH THAT, THE MOTION PASSES.

AND YOU'LL SEE. YOU'LL SEND A REVISED VERSION OF THAT.

YEAH, I WILL UPDATE EVERYTHING. AND THAT GOES FORWARD TO CITY COMMISSION.

SO WE SEE WHAT THE FINAL WRITTEN VERSION LOOKS LIKE.

OH, I CAN SEND IT TO YOU. THAT'S NO PROBLEM. YEAH.

I'LL LOOK IT BACK. YEAH. I'M SORRY. WHO MADE THE MOTION? MOTION. MOTION SECOND. OKAY. THANK YOU. OKAY.

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YEAH. THANK YOU. JASON. GREAT JOB. EVERYBODY UP HERE.

THANK YOU TO ALL THE FOLKS WHO CAME AND SPOKE ON THE PHONE AS WELL.

IT'S ALWAYS, IT'S ALWAYS IT'S ALWAYS GOOD TO HEAR ALL OF THE COMMENTS, HEAR THE HEAR THE INPUT.

AND THEN YOU GET TO WATCH THE THE SAUSAGE GETTING MADE, SO TO SPEAK, UP HERE.

AND THESE GUYS DID A GREAT JOB. SO THAT BRINGS US TO THE THE TAIL END OF OUR MEETING.

QUESTION FOR YOU, CASEY. DO WE HAVE ANYTHING ON THE AGENDA?

[VI.a. Next meeting: August 12, 2025.]

SO YOU HAVE A BREAK IN JULY. OKAY. THERE ARE NO MEETINGS IN JULY.

SORRY, FOLKS. AUGUST, YOU CAN COME IN AUGUST OR JULY, BUT WE WON'T BE HERE, SO.

AUGUST. AUGUST 12TH. YOU DO HAVE ITEMS? BE HERE AGAIN IN AUGUST.

OKAY. ANYTHING ELSE FOLKS? THANK YOU. WE ARE ADJOURNED.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.