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>> EXCUSE ME. I THINK THE MEETING IS ON MUTE.
[*This meeting is joined in progress]
WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE TO UNMUTE IT? THANK YOU SO MUCH. I'M SORRY FOR INTERRUPTING [OVERLAPPING]>> WE JUST APPROVED THE MINUTES.
YOU MISSED MY INTRODUCTION, BUT IF YOU HAVE [LAUGHTER] [INAUDIBLE] I'LL JUST SAY THAT WHEN WE HEAR THE APPLICATIONS, YOU'RE WELCOME TO [INAUDIBLE] AND WE WILL RECOGNIZE YOU AND ALLOW YOU TO [OVERLAPPING] MAKE SURE YOU SAY YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE YOU START YOUR REMARKS.
I THINK THE REST OF IT WE CAN DO.
CASEY, DO YOU HAVE ANY UNFINISHED BUSINESS?
>> WE HAVE NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS.
>> NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS. MOVING ON TO THE FIRST ITEM.
>> THE FIRST ITEM ON OUR AGENDA IS AN APPLICATION FROM
[Items IV.a. & IV.b.]
VENETIAN POOLS THROUGH THE DUNLEAVY LAW GROUP FOR 146.BOULEVARD. LINDA OR WHOMEVER YOU MAY CERTAINLY APPROACH AND MAKE YOUR PRESENTATION. THANK YOU.
>> I'M JUST WONDERING FOR THE SAKE OF EFFICIENCY, WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE TO HEAR THE LAND USE AND THE ZONING TOGETHER?
>> MY PRESENTATION BASICALLY WILL COME FROM BOTH ITEMS. GOOD EVENING.
I'M LINDA DUNLEAVY OF DUNLEAVY LAW GROUP ON BEHALF OF VENETIAN POOLS ASSOCIATION.
THEY ARE THE APPLICANT HERE TONIGHT.
VENETIAN, WHAT WE ARE HOPING TO ACHIEVE IS ANNEXATION INTO THE CITY OF DECATUR, REZONING OF SOME PROPERTY THAT THEY OWN AT 1:46 SCOTT BOULEVARD.
ALONG WITH A LAND USE MAP DESIGNATION BECAUSE THE LAND RIGHT NOW IS IN UNINCORPORATED DEKALB.
WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU IS THE POWERPOINT, WHICH, QUITE HONESTLY, I'M PROBABLY NOT GOING TO STICK TO, BUT WE'LL GO THROUGH IT.
WHAT YOU SEE IN THE FIRST SLIDE IS THAT VENETIAN OWNS A LOT IN THE CITY ALREADY.
IT'S PROBABLY FAMILIAR TO YOU.
IT'S WHERE THE POOL FACILITY IS THAT FRONTS ON SCOTT BOULEVARD AND IT'S SHOWN ON YOUR SCREEN, FRONTING ON SCOTT BOULEVARD. THE NEXT LOT.
THE NEXT SLIDE SHOWS THE LOT THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF OUR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING.
IT IS IMMEDIATELY TO THE WEST AND ADJOINS THE LOT THAT IS THE POOL LOT.
IT'S AT THE REAR OF THE POOL LOT.
FOR ANY OF YOU FOLKS WHO HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF GOING TO THE POOL, YOU WILL SEE THAT THERE'S A LARGE GREEN SPACE AT THE BACK OF THAT AREA, AND THAT'S THE LOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT HAS SOME WALKING TRAILS, IT HAS A FOOTBRIDGE.
IT MAY HAVE A PAVILION, BUT IT'S FOR PASSIVE RECREATIONAL USE.
IT IS CURRENTLY IN UNINCORPORATED DEKALB COUNTY AND IT'S ZONED R-85.
THE LOT THAT VENETIAN OWNS IN THE CITY OF DECATUR TO THE FRONT OF THE LOT THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS ZONED R-60 IN DECATUR.
IT HAS A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE DESIGNATION.
WHAT WE ARE SEEKING FOR THE LOT AT 1:46 SCOTT BOULEVARD IS EXACTLY THE SAME ZONING, WHICH WOULD BE R-60 AND THE SAME LAND USE AMENDMENT, WHICH WOULD BE NECESSARY TO SUPPORT THE R-60 ZONING AT LDR.
I THINK THAT I'VE COVERED EVERYTHING IN THIS SLIDE WITH THE EXCEPTION OF WHY THE HECK ARE WE DOING THIS? WE'RE DOING THIS FOR TWO REASONS.
ONE, IT'S A LITTLE AWKWARD AND UNCOMFORTABLE WHEN YOU OWN PROPERTY THAT IS CONTIGUOUS TO OTHER PROPERTY, AND YOU HAVE DIFFERENT RULES AND REGULATIONS THAT APPLY.
THOUGH THE CITY OF DECATUR AND DEKALB COUNTY ARE VERY SIMILAR IN THEIR ZONING SCHEMES, THERE ARE SLIGHT DIFFERENCES.
THERE ARE SLIGHT DIFFERENT STANDARDS, AND OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE DIFFERENT BODIES, SUCH AS YOURSELF MAKING DECISIONS AS TO LAND USE AND ZONING.
IT MAKES SENSE FOR VENETIAN TO TRY AND CONSOLIDATE THESE TWO LOTS AND BRING THEM INTO THE SAME JURISDICTION.
THAT'S THE NUMBER 1 REASON THAT WE'RE WANTING TO DO THIS.
NUMBER 2 REASON IS THAT FOR ANY OF YOU ONCE AGAIN, WHO'VE BEEN TO THE POOL LOT, IT IS LARGELY DEVELOPED AT THIS POINT.
THERE IS PARKING, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF STRUCTURES, THERE IS THE POOL, AND THERE IS 47% LOT COVERAGE.
IT IS A NON CONFORMING LOT AS IT PERTAINS TO LOT COVERAGE.
IN YOUR JURISDICTION, YOUR R-60 ZONING DOES NOT ALLOW LOT COVERAGE OVER 40%.
ONE OF THE BENEFITS OF BRINGING THIS LOT INTO THE CITY OF DECATUR AND CONSOLIDATING IT WITH THE LOT BEHIND IT,
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WHICH HAS NO IMPERVIOUS SURFACE, IS THAT THE LOT COVERAGE ON THAT FRONT LOT, AND THE BACK LOT WOULD BE CONFORMING.IT WOULD BE LESS THAN THE 40%.
THE OTHER BENEFIT FOR BRINGING IT IN IS BECAUSE VENETIAN MAY IN THE FUTURE, WANT TO MAKE SOME CHANGES, MAKE SOME IMPROVEMENTS ON THE LOT THAT IS ALREADY IN THE CITY OF DECATUR, AND IT CAN'T, BECAUSE THERE'S NO LOT COVERAGE TO PLAY WITH.
I THINK YOU HAVE A HANDOUT THAT SHOWS YOU THE CURRENT STATUS OF THESE TWO LOTS AND ALSO DESCRIBES FOR YOU THE FACT THAT IF WE BOUGHT THIS LOT INTO THE CITY AND IT WAS ZONED, THE LOT COVERAGE WOULD GO DOWN TO 38%.
THEN WE WOULD ALSO HAVE SOME WRIGGLE ROOM IN THE FUTURE SHOULD VENETIAN DESIRE, AND I'M SURE THAT IT WILL BECAUSE A LOT OF THESE STRUCTURES ROUGHLY QUITE FRANKLY ARE AGING, BUT IT WOULD ALLOW FOR 2,616 ADDITIONAL SQUARE FEET OF LOT COVERAGE ONCE THESE LOTS WERE COMBINED.
THAT'S THE MAIN REASON THAT WE'RE HERE IN FRONT OF YOU TONIGHT.
THE SLIDES THAT FOLLOW THIS SLIDE, JUST REALLY OUTLINE FOR YOU THE STANDARDS THAT THE CITY OF DECATUR PUTS FORWARD ANYTIME YOU WANT TO MAKE A LAND USE CHANGE OR ANY TIME THAT YOU WANT TO MAKE A ZONING CHANGE.
WE SUBMIT THAT WE MEET ALL OF THESE STANDARDS FOR THE LAND USE CHANGE AND FOR THE ZONING.
BRIEFLY, WE ARE ASKING FOR A LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL LAND USE.
EVERYTHING AROUND US IS LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A MULTI FAMILY DEVELOPMENT SLIGHTLY TO OUR NORTH.
THE R-60 ZONING THAT WE'RE SEEKING IS 100% CONSISTENT WITH ALL OF THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES.
THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY ADVERSE IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES, LARGELY BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO DEVELOP THIS 146 SCOTT BOULEVARD.
WE HAVE NO IMMEDIATE PLANS FOR THAT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF POSSIBLY IMPROVING THE PATHWAYS, GIVING SOME MUCH NEEDED TLC TO THE FOOTBRIDGE, BUT OTHERWISE NOT CHANGING THE USE THAT'S ALREADY THERE, AND CERTAINLY NOT CHANGING THE USE ON THE LOT THAT IS ALREADY WITHIN THE CITY OF DECATUR.
IT MEETS ALL OF THE STANDARDS UNDER YOUR COMPREHENSIVE LAND USE PLAN.
I WOULD SUBMIT THE USE IS SUITABLE IN VIEW OF THE SURROUNDING USES BECAUSE WE'RE NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THE USE.
I WON'T BELABOR THAT IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS IN REGARDS TO THESE STANDARDS, MORE THAN HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM AS IS ANDREW O'CONNELL, WHO WAS ON THE BOARD FOR THE VENETIAN POOLS ASSOCIATION.
BUT WE WOULD ASK THAT YOU MAKE A RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR BOTH THE LAND USE AMENDMENT, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE THE PROPERTY TO BE LDR IF THE CITY COMMISSION CHOOSES TO ANNEX IT INTO THE CITY OF DECATUR AND ALSO TO RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF REZONING OF THIS PROPERTY FROM UNINCORPORATED DEKALB INTO THE CITY OF DECATUR AS R-60.
THANK YOU. I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS DIRECTLY FOR THE APPLICANT AT THIS TIME.
>> VENETIAN ALREADY OWNS THE PROPERTY?
>> THEY HAVE OWNED BOTH LOTS FOR YEARS.
IT JUST, THE JURISDICTIONAL LINES OF THE COUNTY JUST HAPPENED TO CUT THEIR LAND HOLDINGS INTO-
>> IS THERE ANY REASON TO NOW IS THE TIME THEY'RE GOING TO REQUEST THIS?
>> I THINK THAT THE BOARD IS WANTING TO MAKE SOME CHANGES ONE MAKE IMPROVEMENTS ON THE 146 LOT BECAUSE THE FOOTPATHS AND THE FOOTBRIDGE NEED RENOVATION.
ALSO, THEY'RE LOOKING FORWARD IN THEIR MASTER PLAN TO HOW CAN WE IMPROVE THE POOL FACILITY ITSELF? THE ANSWER RIGHT NOW IS WE CAN'T BECAUSE OF THE IMPERVIOUS SERVICE RESTRICTIONS AND THE FACT THAT WE ALREADY EXCEED THAT. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. WOULD ANYBODY LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICATION? ANYONE ONLINE RAISING THEIR HAND.
ANYONE LIKE TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICATION? NO. ANYBODY ONLINE. HEARING NONE, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION AND WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK?
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>> DISCLOSE I AM A MEMBER OF VENETIAN, BUT I DON'T HAVE A FINANCIAL ADVISER.
>> CASEY, THE CHANGE OR UNDERSTANDING THAT ALREADY FIVE DEKALB COUNTY IS BASICALLY EQUALS OUR 60 FOR CITY OF DECATUR.
>> ESSENTIALLY, IT'S STILL A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
>> THAT'S BASICALLY JUST TRANSLATING FROM THE COUNTY TO THE CITY.
>> WE CAN'T ACTUALLY USE A DEKALB COUNTY ZONING CLASSIFICATION, SO WE HAVE TO BRING IT INTO ONE OF OUR CORE STANDARDS.
WE CAN CALL IT A REZONING, BUT ACTUALLY, YOU ARE TRULY DESIGNATING THE PROPERTY FOR THE FIRST TIME AS A CITY OF DECATUR ZONING OR LAND USE DISTRICT.
>> TO BE CLEAR DUNLEAVY SAID THAT THEY CAN'T DO ANY CHANGES TO THE 150, I GOT THE ADDRESS RIGHT 150 SCOTT BOULEVARD BECAUSE IT'S NON CONFORMING.
BUT THEY COULD AS LONG AS THEY DON'T GO ABOVE 47%.
>> WELL, NO MATTER WHAT THEY WOULD WANT TO DO, THEY STILL HAVE TO MEET CURRENT ZONING STANDARDS.
WE WOULD LOOK AT WHATEVER THEY'RE PROPOSING TO DO AND WHATEVER PROCESS IS REQUIRED WOULD BE REVIEWED.
>> BUT BECAUSE THEY'RE NON-CONFORMING, THEY COULD STILL STAY AT 40% AND LIKELY TO REQUIRE THEM TO DROP TO, THEY SAY 47%, RIGHT NOW WITH ANY UPGRADE RENOVATION ETC, WE WOULD NOT FORCE THEM THROUGH OUR CODE TO DROP TO 40% IN A RENOVATION, WOULD WE? I THINK THE GRANDFATHER [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL NO. YOU HAVE A COUPLE OF THINGS THAT WOULD HAPPEN BEHIND THE SCENES WAY AFTER YOU ALL INVOLVED.
ASSUMING IT'S THE PLEASURE OF THE CITY COMMISSION TO ANNEX THEM IN [OVERLAPPING] WE'RE JUST GOING TO GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF THE STEPS.
THEY STILL HAVE A LITTLE HOMEWORK ON THEIR SIDE.
AFTERWARDS, THEY WOULD COMBINE THE PROPERTIES.
>> RIGHT NOW THE PROPERTIES CAN'T BE PUT TOGETHER.
THAT'S WHY THEY HAVE TWO SEPARATE PARCEL NUMBERS, TWO SEPARATE ADDRESSES.
THAT IS AN ADMINISTRATIVE PROCESS THAT THEY WORK WITH IN ZONING, SO WE'LL COMBINE THAT PROPERTY.
THEN THAT'S WHERE IT ALLOWS BOTH OF THOSE, THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE TO ACROSS THE ENTIRE NEW TRACK, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
>> IN THE [INAUDIBLE] [OVERLAPPING]
>> IT'S NOT LIKE A SWATH. THEY HAVE A COUPLE MORE STEPS TO GET TO THEIR GOAL.
>> AS AN EXPERT 2,000 SQUARE FOOT.
>> BUT THAT WOULD NOT BE THE REZONING, THAT WOULD JUST BE CODE CONSIENCE.
>> FOR WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, IT'S REALLY JUST MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP, WHICH IS THE ONLY PERMITS THAT HAVE BEEN PULLED SO FAR IN THE CITY.
>> I GUESS MY QUESTION IS IF THEY WERE TO DO SOMETHING WITH A 2,600 SQUARE FEET OR WHATEVER IT IS, IF THEY WERE TO BUILD A HOUSE OR BUILD A SHED OR, THAT WOULD NOT BE A REZONING.
>> WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT WHAT THEY'RE DOING AND REALLY LOOK AT IT FROM THE ZONING SIDE.
>> THEY'RE AT THE 47% NOW, IF THEY WANTED TO DO MAINTENANCE AND RENOVATIONS, THEY WOULD BE FORCED TO MOVE BACK DOWN TO THE 40% OR?
>> IS THAT'S WHAT YOU ARE ASKING?
>> RIGHT NOW THEY EXCEED IT, BUT THEY ONLY HAVE ONE TRACK OF LAND.
>> BUT THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO STAY AT THAT 47 IF THEY [OVERLAPPING]
>> WELL, ACTUALLY, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS THE TWO PARCELS WOULD BE COMBINED.
>> NO IT WOULD JUST BE NORMAL, LIKE THIS.
>> THEN IT WOULD JUST STAY AT THE 47.
THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO INCREASE.
>> I GUESS I COULD GO BACKWARDS INTO THE MATH BUT IT'S EASIER TO ASK THE QUESTION.
HOW MANY SQUARE FEET OF [INAUDIBLE] SURFACE DO YOU HAVE NOW THAT I GUESS IS NOT CONFORMING BECAUSE OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT, THAT YOU WOULD THEN BE ABLE TO INCREASE BY APPROXIMATELY 02,000 AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, SHOULD THESE TWO PROPERTIES BE COMBINED?
>> I'M GOING TO HAVE TO GIVE OUT MY CALCULATOR TO DO THAT.
I DO NOT HAVE THE ANSWER TO THAT.
>> I DON'T HAVE A CURRENT SURVEY.
>> I GUESS I'M JUST TRYING TO SEE [INAUDIBLE] MAJOR UNDERTAKING OR SOMETHING.
WHAT THEY HAVE IS EXISTING AND WE DON'T EVEN HAVE A CURRENT SURVEY BECAUSE THEY HAVEN'T DONE ANY NEW WORK.
IF THEY CAN GET THE NUMBERS TOGETHER, THAT'S FINE.
BUT WHEN THEY ADD THE ADDITIONAL LOT, THEN YOU USE ALL OF THAT SQUARE FEET.
IN REGARDS TO THE NUMBERS THAT WERE ABOUT THE 2,600 SQUARE FEET, WHEN THE LOTS ARE COMBINED, AND NOW WE'RE LOOKING AT A HOLE, THEY ACTUALLY ONLY HAVE ANOTHER 2,600 SQUARE FEET BEFORE THEY HIT THE 40%.
>> I HAVE SOME ROUGH NUMBERS THAT I SUPPOSE WE CAN BACK INTO TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION.
UNFORTUNATELY, THE SURVEY IS FOR BOTH LOTS.
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THERE'S 130,843 SQUARE FEET FOR BOTH LOTS.SO 40% OF THAT IS GOING TO BE APPROXIMATELY 70,000, 75,000 SQUARE FEET.
NOW, THE MAJORITY OF THE LOT COVERAGE IS ASPHALT PARKING.
WHICH IS CRITICAL FOR THIS TYPE OF USE RIGHT ON SCOTT BOULEVARD.
THE POOL, EVEN THOUGH IT'S WATER.
>> COUNTS AS LOT COVERAGE. IT'S A PRETTY LARGE POOL, AND THEN YOU'VE GOT, 01,2,3,4,5 STRUCTURES ON THIS PROPERTY ALREADY.
THEY'RE RANGING FROM THE SNACK SHOP TO LITTLE COTTAGES.
MY STATEMENT WITH RESPECT TO WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING ON THIS LOT IS THE CODE PROHIBITS IF YOU WERE NON CONFORMING USE LIKE WELL, IT'S NOT A NON CONFORMING USE, BUT IT'S A NON CONFORMING AS TO THE ZONING STANDARDS, PROHIBITS YOU FROM EXPANDING, MODIFYING, OR ALTERING TO INCREASE THE DEGREE OF NON CONFORMITY IN ANY WAY.
ANY INCH OF IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT WE WANTED TO ADD, IF WE WANTED TO PUT A SQUARE CONCRETE PAD FOR A GARBAGE BIN, WE COULDN'T DO THAT.
BECAUSE WE ARE ALREADY NON CONFORMING.
I DIDN'T MEAN TO MISLEAD YOU TO SAY WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING.
SURE, WE CAN DO WITHIN THE 47% LOT COVERAGE THAT WE HAVE BECAUSE I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULD BE GRANDFATHERED, BUT WE CAN'T DO ANYTHING BEYOND THAT.
>> GOOD QUESTION. LET'S THINK HYPOTHETICALLY, WE COMBINE, THEY COMBINE THE PARCEL OF R60, AND THEY PULL A PERMIT TO DO SOMETHING [INAUDIBLE]
>> THEY HAVE TO GET TO THE R60.
ANY LARGE IMPROVEMENT WOULD TRIGGER EVERYTHING.
IF THEY'RE JUST DOING SOMETHING TO MAYBE HELP WITH ADA ACCESSIBILITY, WE HAVE SOME LITTLE DIFFERENT CODES, BUT THOSE ARE STILL BASED ON SQUARE FOOTAGE, SIZE OF PROJECT, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
>> ARE ALL THOSE CODES ARE BASED ON R60 OR IS THIS BASED ON A DIFFERENT USE?
>> WELL, WE HAVE DIFFERENT CODES FOR DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT THE CRUX IS BASED UPON THE ZONING DISTRICT, BUT WE ALSO HAVE DIFFERENT ENGINEERING CODES, DIFFERENT STORMWATER CODES, DIFFERENT ACCESS CODES, THE TREE CANOPY CODES.
THEY WOULD ALL COME INTO PLAY, DEPENDING ON WHAT THE SCOPE IS.
>> I GUESS IT'S MORE OF A CURIOSITY.
BUT BECAUSE OF R60, WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ALL THOSE DIFFERENT IMPROVEMENTS, R60 BEING IN A RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT, I GUESS THAT'S THE FILTER, THAT'S THE LENS YOU LOOK AT WHEN YOU'RE ANALYZING ALL THAT.
I GUESS I'M JUST CURIOUS WHY IT'S NOT LIKE INSTITUTIONAL OR NONPROFIT OR WHATEVER. IS THERE A DIFFERENT ZONE.
>> I CAN TELL IT'S BEEN THEIR WAY BEFORE ZONING EVER EXISTED.
>> IT MAKES MORE SENSE THAT IT WOULDN'T HAVE A RESIDENTIAL ZONING.
WE DON'T WANT TO UPSET THE APPLE CAR TO MUCH ON THAT AND EVERYTHING AROUND IT INDICATOR ANYWAY IS R 60 AND EVERYTHING HAS A RESIDENTIAL [INAUDIBLE] THANK YOU.
>> WE JUST NEED YOU TO COME TO THE MICE TO SPEAK.
ALL OF THE COUNTY AND CITY RECORDS ON THIS PROPERTY REALLY DON'T START UNTIL 1987.
THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT WAS, AND YOU GO BACK THROUGH GOOGLE EARTH, AND YOU CAN SEE IT'S BEEN THERE.
IT REALLY JUST PREDATES A LOT OF STUFF.
LIKE I SAID, ALL OF OUR PERMITS TO DATE HAVE JUST BEEN MAINTENANCE AND UPKEEP.
>> DO YOU WANT TO MAKE A MOTION?
>> YOU'LL BE MAKING TWO MOTIONS.
THE FIRST IS FOR YOUR LAND USE, WHICH YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR, AND THEN THE SECOND IS FOR YOUR ZONING DESIGNATION, WHICH YOU HAVE AN ORDINANCE FOR.
>> WE HAVE A MOTION FOR LAND USE.
>> DO WE HAVE A SECOND? THANK YOU, JOE. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT MOTION? ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED? MOVE INTO WE HAVE A SECOND THING IN FRONT OF US.
WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION REGARDING THAT?
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MOTION IS DRAFTED, A SECOND.>> SECOND. THANK YOU, MARK. ANY MORE DISCUSSION ON THAT? HEARING NONE, ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE.
>> ANY OPPOSED, ANY ABSTENTIONS.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> APPRECIATE YOU. MOVING ON TO THE NEXT STEP. MOVING ON.
[IV.c. Michelle Battle, Battle Law, P.C., is requesting a Special Exception to the MU-Mixed Use district to increase parking and to reduce the building height to allow the construction of a restaurant at 541 East College Avenue and 170 Commerce Drive. ]
WE NOW HAVE AN APPLICATION FROM MICHELLE BATTLE OF BATTLE LAW, THE QUESTION SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO THE MIXED USE DISTRICT TO RE PARKING AND TO REDUCE BUILDING NIGHT TO ALLOW THE CONSTRUCTION OF A RESTAURANT AT 5:41 EAST COLLEGE AVENUE AND 170 TONERS DRIVE.MS. BATTLE. YOU'RE WELCOME TO COME AND CHAT WITH US.
>> HE'S PHONE IT UP. YOU'LL JUST LOOK AT THE SCREEN.
>> GETTING MICHELLE BATTLE WITH BATTLE LAW, 3562 HABER SAM AT NORTH FLAKE TUCKER, GEORGIA 30084.
I AM HERE WITH REAL BISCUES WHO OPERATE CAFE RACER.
CAFE RACER IS BASICALLY A COFFEE STARTED OUT AS A COFFEE AND DOUGHNUT SHOP, BUT IT IS MORPHED INTO A FULL SERVICE RESTAURANT THAT OPERATES PRIMARILY RIGHT NOW OUT OF ATHENS, AND THEY WOULD LIKE TO OPEN THEIR FIRST LOCATION HERE IN THE CITY OF DECATUR.
THEY ARE IN THE PROCESS OF ACQUIRING, THEY HAVE A PROPERTY UNDER CONTRACT, THE PROPERTY AT THE INTERSECTION OF EAST COLLEGE AND COMMERCE ACROSS FROM, I THINK THE GAS STATION, BE A I GUESS DESK.
BUT ANYWAY, I STOPPED THERE EVERY ONCE IN A WHILE.
RIGHT ACROSS FROM THE GAS STATION THAT'S THERE.
IT WAS A USED CAR SHOP, REALLY AUTO SHOP.
IT REALLY IS ALMOST COMPLETELY IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT'S OUT THERE NOW.
WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING TO DO IS TO BUILD A NEW FACILITY ON THE PROPERTY.
THEY WOULD BE THE SOLE USE ON THE SITE, WHICH DOES FLOW INTO HOW WE ARE ASKING FOR SOME OF THE RELIEF THAT WE ARE HERE FOR TODAY.
THE ORDINANCE DOES ALLOW FOR THIS USE TO EXIST HERE, BUT WE ALL KNOW THAT BECAUSE OF THE AREA THAT THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN, WHICH IS NEAR THE TRANSIT AREA, THAT THE REAL INTENT HERE WAS FOR IT TO BE MORE OF A MIXED USE ENVIRONMENT.
WE'RE PROBABLY ALMOST NOT QUITE A QUARTER OF A MILE FROM THE MARTA STATION AND QUITE A BIT OF A WALK WITH NO OTHER REAL BUSINESSES AND MIXED USE FLAVOR IN THIS PART OF THE CORRIDOR, WE'RE REALLY AT THE END.
WHILE THINGS HAVE STARTED AT THE OTHER SIDE, NOTHING HAS REALLY STARTED ON THIS END.
THAT MEANS THAT THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PARKING AND A LOT OF OPPORTUNITIES FOR SAFE PASSAGE WALKING TO THIS SPACE.
WE ARE BEFORE YOU TODAY BECAUSE WE NEED TWO THINGS.
THE FIRST IS THE BUILDING ITSELF, WE NEED A SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM HEIGHT, AND I'LL TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THAT.
THEN WE ALSO NEED AN INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES.
THIS FACILITY WILL HAVE ROUGHLY 10-12 EMPLOYEES THAT WILL BE FULL TIME THAT WILL BE WORKING ON SITE.
RIGHT NOW, FOR PARKING, WE WOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO HAVE 19 PARKING SPACES, SO YOU CAN IMAGINE THAT IF PEOPLE ARE WORKING THERE AND THEY'RE NOT TAKING SOME TYPE OF PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION, THEN THEY MAY BE TAKING A 10-12 OF THOSE PARKING SPACES NOT LEAVING ENOUGH FOR PATRONS.
WHAT WE'RE ASKING IS TO INCREASE THE TOTAL NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES 19-30.
WE FEEL LIKE THAT IS REASONABLE, GIVES US STILL AN OPPORTUNITY TO REDUCE A LOT OF THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE THAT'S THERE, SO WE WILL BE ADDING SOME GREENERY AND SOME OTHER THINGS LANDSCAPING AROUND.
BUT WE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THOSE ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES IN ORDER TO MAKE UP FOR THE LACK OF ON STREET PARKING.
WE CANNOT ON STREET PARK ON EAST COLLEGE.
WE CANNOT ON STREET PARK ON COMMERCE.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANOTHER ABUTTING STREET WHERE PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SAFELY PARK, INCLUDING THE EMPLOYEES.
THAT'S THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION WITH REGARDS TO THE PARKING.
THE NEXT COMPONENT, WE'LL GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE, IS THE ELEVATION.
THE CODE REQUIRES US TO BE AT 24 FEET IN HEIGHT ON THE BUILDING.
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THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE ON OUR PLAN, WE DO HAVE A PARAPET AREA WHERE IT WILL BE HIDING THE EQUIPMENT ON TOP OF THE BUILDING, BUT THAT DOES NOT COUNT.THAT DOES GET US TO 24, BUT THE BUILDING ITSELF IS AT 20 THE BIGGER PORTION OF THE BUILDING.
THEN WE ALSO HAVE THE ROOF THAT OVERHANGS THE PATIO.
IT'S GOT WINDOWS AROUND WITH AN ENTRY DOOR, AND IT IS HEATED FLOOR AREA WITHIN THAT SPACE.
THAT DOES COUNT TOWARDS THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
AT ITS LOWEST POINT BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT THE I THINK YOU CALLED IT A CANTER. REMEMBER THAT.
THE LAST GENTLEMAN ON THE DDA GAVE ME A REALLY CUTE NAME FOR IT, BUT I CAN'T REMEMBER WHAT IT IS.
I WAS SOMETHING LIKE CANT OR SOMETHING.
BUT THE ROOF SLANTS, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND AT THE BOTTOM PORTION OF IT, IT'S AT 15 FEET.
WE ARE ASKING FOR RELIEF FROM THE 24 FEET TO ALLOW US TO DO THAT SLANTED ON ROOF, WE THINK THAT IT REALLY ADDS TO THE AESTHETIC APPEAL OF THE BUILDING.
HAVING 24 FOOT BUILDING ITSELF WOULD MEAN REALLY HIGH CEILINGS, WHICH WAS REALLY INTENDED FOR A TWO STORY BUILDING, NOT A ONE STORY BUILDING.
BUT THIS SITE REALLY DOESN'T LEND ITSELF TO TWO STORIES IN PART BECAUSE IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A SITE AND IT WOULDN'T HAVE ENOUGH.
AGAIN, WE WOULD BE SCRATCHED FOR PARKING.
WE ALSO, AND I THINK ON THIS ONE, IF YOU GO TO THE NEXT SLIDE.
THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS AT THE DDA MEETING THAT TALKED ABOUT THE OUTDOOR THAT THE BATHROOMS ARE ACCESSED THROUGH THE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THAT WOULD BE ON THE SIDE CLOSEST TO COMMERCE.
WE ARE LOOKING AT MAKING SOME MODIFICATIONS WITH REGARDS TO THAT.
I'M NOT SURE IF WE'RE THERE QUITE YET, BUT IT IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE LOOKING AT INTERNALLY TO MOVE THAT.
I DO POINT THAT OUT JUST BECAUSE IT WAS SOMETHING THAT CAME UP AT THAT MEETING.
BUT OTHERWISE, THERE IS A BAR AREA AND SEATING AREA.
AFTER I THINK FIVE O'CLOCK, THEY DO HAVE MORE TYPICAL BARS FOOD LIKE HAMBURGERS AND HOT DOGS AND CHICKEN FINGERS AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE THAT THEY SERVE IN THE EVENING HOURS WITH COFFEE AND DONUTS AND STUFF BEING THE PRIMARY DURING THE MORNING HOURS.
YOU WILL SEE THIS IS WHAT THE BUILDING WOULD LOOK LIKE IF WE MET THE REQUIREMENT.
WE DON'T FEEL LIKE THAT IS ESTHETICALLY PLEASING A DESIGN.
THEY HAVE A DESIGN A FACADE DESIGN FOR THEIR BUSINESS, THAT IS THEIR BRAND, WHICH IS THE BUILDING THAT YOU SAW INITIALLY.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING AT FOR THEIR BRAND.
THIS BUILDING DOES MEET THE REQUIREMENT, BUT WE FEEL THAT IT IS VERY BOXY.
IT DOESN'T HAVE A LOT OF ESTHETIC APPEAL.
IT DOESN'T REALLY ADD ANYTHING.IT'LL HAVE REALLY HIGH CEILINGS, MAKING IT MORE CHALLENGING TO MAINTAIN AND HEAT AND ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT GO WITH THAT.
WE ARE ASKING FOR SOME RELIEF FROM THAT TO ALLOW FOR AGAIN, THE ROOF PITCH OVER THE PATIO TO BE SLANTED AND TO HAVE THAT 15 FOOT MINIMUM.
IT GOES UP ON THE OTHER SIDE, I THINK TO 17.
THEN WHEN YOU GET TO THE BOXY PART OF THE BUILDING, THAT'S 20 FEET IN HEIGHT.
THEN IF YOU GO TO THE PARAPET OVER TOP, THAT GETS YOU TO 24.
BUT THAT DOES NOT MEET THE TECHNICAL BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINATE.
THAT IS WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION FROM 24-15 BASED ON THE ELEVATIONS AS SHOWN, AND WE WOULD BE OKAY WITH IT BEING CONDITIONED ON SUCH.
IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
WE DO HAVE A REPRESENTATIVE FROM CAFE RACER HERE WITH US.
>> ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS AT THIS TIME?
>> YOU MENTIONED [INAUDIBLE] HOW MANY OF YOU WORK AT A GIVEN TIME [INAUDIBLE]
>> GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS BRAD GALLANT.
I LIVE AT 530 WEST MAIN STREET IN CARTERSVILLE, GEORGIA.
TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION, MR. FELDER, 10-12 WILL BE HOW MANY ARE ON SITE AT ANY GIVEN TIME DURING THE DAY.
WE ARE VERY MUCH A MAKE IT FRESH IN THE MORNING, SO I'LL PROVIDE A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY HERE.
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WE HAVE ONE LOCATION THAT'S OPEN AND OPERATING.WE'RE JUST FINISHING UP YEAR 2 IN ATHENS.
WE HAVE A SECOND LOCATION IN ATHENS THAT WE ARE LITERALLY WEEKS FROM GETTING OUR CO ON.
WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS EITHER BEING NUMBER THREE OR NUMBER FOUR.
BUT THE LOCATION THAT'S OPEN AND OPERATING IN ATHENS, WE HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT ARRIVE THERE AT FOUR IN THE MORNING AND THEY'RE STARTING FOOD PREP BY 6:00AM BASICALLY THROUGHOUT THE DAY.
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE 10-12 EMPLOYEES THERE.
>> [INAUDIBLE] DON'T GO AWAY. AT THIS POINT, OPEN ANYBODY WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OF THE APPLICANT.
PLEASE, COME UP. AGAIN, REMEMBER STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS, PLEASE.
>> THOMAS RICK, 110 SOUTH COLUMBIA DRIVE TO CARTERSVILLE, GEORGIA.
I'VE NEVER SPOKEN AT A COMMISSION MEETING BEFORE.
MY NAME IS THOMAS, AND I LIVE IN THE CLOSEST RESIDENTIAL COMPLEX TO THE PROPOSED SITE.
I WOULD LIKE TO NOTE THAT I PUT THESE QUESTIONS TO BRAD K RAISED IN AN EMAIL, DID NOT RECEIVE A RESPONSE.
BUT OVERALL, I DO SUPPORT THIS PROJECT, BUT I HAVE FOLLOWED THE FOLLOWING FIVE COMMENTS.
SIGN AND BUILDING ILLUMINATION. THIS HAS ACTUALLY BEEN A SOURCE.
TO BE CLEAR, THE COMPLEX I LIVE IN THERE ARE 17 UNITS IN A SMALL TASK CONFIGURATION.
LIGHTING HAS BEEN A SOURCE OF PAIN FOR OUR COMMUNITY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE TEXACO NEARBY, WHICH HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN SHINING PRISON STYLE FLOOD LIGHTS INTO OUR WINDOWS, AS A RESULT, THE SENSITIVITY TO LIGHT POLLUTION.
WITH SIGNAGE LIGHTS AND NEON BE TURNED OFF OUTSIDE BUSINESS HOURS.
THE CAFE RACER SIGN, THE DETAILED PLANS SHOW THERE ARE TWO SIGNAGE.
THERE'S A ONE THAT SAYS CAFE RACER AND THERE'S A CIRCULAR ROUND SIGN.
THE CAFE RACER SIGN SAYS WILL BE LIT BY SCONSORS, BUT THERE'S NO INFORMATION ABOUT THE CIRCULAR SIGN, AND IF THAT WILL BE ILLUMINATED AT NIGHT, POTENTIALLY SHINING INTO OUR BEDROOM WINDOWS.
THAT'S MY FIRST COMMENT. THE SECOND ONE IS AROUND PARKING MINIMUMS. DECATUR WANTS TO BE LEADING THE CHARGE ON SAFE STREETS.
WE HAVE A SAFE STREETS ACTION PLAN WHICH SAYS AS MUCH.
THE CITY SHOULD BE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF HISTORY, LEADING THE CHARGE ON REPEALING PARKING MINIMUMS, NEVER EXPANDING MAXIMUMS. WE SHOULD ABSOLUTELY NOT BE EXPANDING THE AMOUNT OF PARKING.
THAT IS EMPHATICAL TO TO THE PEDESTRIIZATION THAT DECATUR PRIDES ITSELF ON.
THE CURRENT PLAN AS LAY OUT IN THE DOCUMENTS SHOWS A LEFT TURN ONTO EAST COLLEGE.
THE PETITIONER TALKED ABOUT SAFE ACCESS.
THAT'S IMPORTANT TO ME AS WELL AS SOMEONE WHO WALKS AND WALKS IN THE AREA.
AS YOU MAY KNOW, THE GEORGIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION IS PREPARING A MAJOR REDESIGN ON EAST COLLEGE AV TO START CONSTRUCTION A COUPLE OF YEARS.
LEFT TURNS ONTO WESTBOUND EAST COLLEGE AV, I KNOW IT'S KIND OF CONFUSING.
LEFT TURNS ONTO WESTBOUND EAST COLLEGE AV ARE ACTUALLY GOING TO BE PREVENTED AT SEVERAL INTERSECTIONS.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT A LEFT TURN OUT OF THIS PROPERTY SHOULD BE PERMITTED AS IT DOES NOT ALIGN WITH THE GOALS OF DECATUR SAFETY ACTION PLAN.
NAVIGATION ONTO WESTBOUND EAST COLLEGE COULD BE MORE SAFELY ACCOMPLISHED BY A RIGHT TURN ONTO NORTHBOUND COMMERCE DRIVE AND MAKING A LEFT ONTO WESTBOUND EAST COLLEGE.
THEN BIKE PARKING. THE CURRENT PLAN CALLS FOR ONLY A MINIMUM OF TWO BIKE PARKING SPOTS.
THIS IS I BELIEVE THE ZONING MINIMUM THAT THEY HAVE TO HAVE.
EAST COLLEGE IS ONE OF THE MAJOR CYCLING THROUGH FARES TRANSITING DECATUR.
IT'S NOT UNUSUAL TO SEE GROUPS OF A DOZEN PLUS RIDERS ON WEEKEND MORNINGS GOING ALONG EAST COLLEGE.
CAFE RACER COULD ACTUALLY MAKE A GREAT MID RIDE PIT STOP.
THIS IS GOING TO BE MAGNIFIED EVEN FURTHER WHEN GEORGIA DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION PUTS IN THE TWO WAY BIKE LANE ON EAST COLLEGE IN 2077.
I WOULD HEAVILY RECOMMEND ADDING A COUPLE MORE BIKE LANES BOSS TO THE PLAN.
THEN FINALLY, ON THE BATHING CONFIGURATION, I'M AWARE THAT THE DECATUR DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY HAD COMMENTS ON THIS.
THOUGH SINCE THE MINUTES OF THE MEETING WENT PUBLISHED, I WASN'T CLEAR ON WHAT DISCUSSED.
BUT GIVEN THE BATHROOMS ARE EXTERNALLY ACCESSIBLE, AND THERE IS A SIGNIFICANT UNHOUSED POPULATION THAT RESIDES AROUND THE TEXACO ACROSS THE STREET.
I'M WONDERING WHAT STEPS ARE BEING TAKEN TO ENSURE THAT THE STRUCTURE IS A GOOD NEIGHBOR TO THE BUILDINGS NEARBY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC, [INAUDIBLE]
>> GOOD EVENING. PLANNING COMMISSIONERS. I AM ANGELA THREADG.
I SERVE AS THE ASSISTANT CITY MANAGER OF COMMUNITY AND ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT.
I ALSO SERVE AS THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY OF THE CITY OF DECATUR, AND THAT'S WHO I'M REPRESENTING TONIGHT.
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AS YOU MAY BE AWARE, THE DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITY, THEIR FOCUS IS TO PROMOTE WITHIN THE CITY'S COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS, PROJECTS THAT PROMOTE TRADE, COMMERCE, EMPLOYMENT, AND INDUSTRY.THIS PROJECT WAS BEFORE THE DDA ON LAST FRIDAY ON THE 8TH, AND THEY DID PASS A RESOLUTION OF SUPPORT FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BASED ON TWO CONDITIONS.
THE FIRST ONE IS THAT APPROVALS FOR THE PROJECT SHALL BE BASED ON PLANS SUBSTANTIALLY SIMILAR TO THOSE PRESENTED IN THE APPLICATION THAT YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU, AND THAT WAS ALSO BEFORE THE DDA.
THEY NOTED SPECIFICALLY THE PLACEMENT AND LOCATION OF THE BUILDING PUSHED UP TO THE CORNER TO REALLY ANCHOR THAT CORNER AT COMMERCE AND EAST COLLEGE.
THEN ALSO WITH THE PARKING BEHIND IT.
THEY ALSO NOTICED THE TWO CURB CUTS.
ONE, THE GENTLEMAN HAD MENTIONED ABOUT CHANGES TO EAST COLLEGE THAT ARE COMING.
I THINK YOU'LL NOTICE IN YOUR SITE PLAN THAT THERE IS A WRITE IN, WRITE OUT ONLY.
THAT WOULD ADDRESS THE CONCERNS.
THAT'S MOST LIKELY WHAT G. WILL REQUIRE OF THIS DEVELOPMENT.
THEN THE SECOND IS THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION IS ASKED TO CONSIDER A CONDITION TO REQUIRE THAT THE BATHROOMS BE ACCESSIBLE FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE RESTAURANT RATHER THAN THE EXTERIOR.
THEY NOTED THAT THERE IS NO ZONING OR BUILDING CODES THAT REQUIRE THAT THEY BE ACCESSED FROM THE INTERIOR.
HOWEVER, THEY DID CITE SAFETY CONCERNS AND THE LIKELIHOOD OF USE BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC, MUCH LIKE THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER.
THEN AS FAR AS THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO INCREASE THE PARKING, WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING AT THE PARKING, THEY NOTED THAT THERE IS NO REAL OTHER OPPORTUNITIES FOR SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS IN THE AREA AND THAT THERE IS NO ON STREET PARKING.
THERE AND WHEN WE LOOK AT THE NUMBER OF EMPLOYEES, AND THEN ALSO THE NUMBER OF INTERIOR SEATING THAT YOU HAVE ON THE FLOOR PLAN IT LENDS ITSELF TO HAVING A BIT MORE PARKING THAN THE ACTUAL REQUIRED.
THEY WERE IN SUPPORT OF INCREASING THE REQUIRED PARKING OR THE MAXIMUM PARKING.
THEN WHILE THEY DIDN'T GET TOO MUCH INTO THE ARCHITECTURE, AND THEY RECOGNIZE THAT THERE'S A COUPLE OF ARCHITECTS ON THIS BOARD, THEY DID AGREE WITH THE APPLICANT THAT IF THEY WERE TO MEET THE 24 FOOT HEIGHT MINIMUM, THAT IT DOES BECOME VERY BOXY, AND IT DOESN'T QUITE LEND ITSELF TO GOOD ARCHITECTURE, BUT THEY WILL DEFER TO OTHERS WHO ARE MUCH MORE INFORMED ABOUT ARCHITECTURE.
BUT OVERALL, THEY SUPPORT THE PROJECT, BUT JUST ASK THAT YOU CONSIDER SOME OF THOSE THINGS. THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU. ONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR OR IN THE ROOM. HOW ABOUT ONLINE? ONLINE [INAUDIBLE] ON THE HAND.
TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE APPLICANT?
>> GOOD COMMENTS, SIR. YOU DID A GREAT JOB ON YOUR FIRST PRESENTATION WITH THE COMMISSION.
ANYBODY ONLINE IN OPPOSITION? DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT.
OKAY. AT THIS POINT, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT SESSION AND MOVE TO COMMISSION CONVERSATION.
>> IF I CAN, I WROTE DOWN ALL OF THOSE QUESTIONS AND I THINK WE CAN ANSWER SOME OF THEM, SOME OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN BROUGHT OUT.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE SIGNAGE TO THE BUILDING LIGHTING, I'LL GROUP THAT ALL TOGETHER, IF THAT'S OKAY.
WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE ACTUAL SIGN PERMIT, BUT THE WAY OUR CODE WORKS IS THE LIGHTING IS ALL INTERIOR.
BEHIND IT, THERE'LL BE A FACET ON THE OUTSIDE.
I WOULD HAVE TO SEE WHAT SCONCES WERE BEING APPROVED, BUT EVERYTHING IS REQUIRED TO BE A CUT OFF FACING DOWNWARD, SO IT DOESN'T SHINE UP.
>> THAT IS NOT A REQUIREMENT THAT WE HAVE.
IF YOU CAN JUST ANSWER THAT, THEN BE FINE.
>> IT'S GOOD. ABSOLUTELY. APOLOGIES, I FOR WHATEVER REASON, NEVER GOT YOUR EMAIL.
I'M GENERALLY VERY GOOD WITH MY EMAILS.
>> THAT YOU SAID IT YESTERDAY, IT WAS TWICE SCHEDULE.
>> YOU'RE GOOD. I'M GENERALLY A ZERO UNREAD E MAILS IN MY INBOX.
WITH REGARDS TO THE LIGHTING, THE INTENT WOULD BE TO KEEP IT FAIRLY MINIMAL.
THE FIRST ATHENS LOCATION IS ON A VERY COMMERCIAL CORRIDOR ON WEST BROAD STREET IN ATHENS.
THE SECOND ONE IS MUCH MORE OF A NEIGHBORHOOD TYPE OF LOCATION.
THE INTENT THERE IS OUTSIDE OF BUSINESS HOURS, IS GOING TO BE VERY MINIMAL LIGHTING.
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PROBABLY GOOSE NECK SCONCES THAT ILLUMINATE THE CAFE ERASER SIGNAGE ON THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING, SO SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.WHILE I'M STANDING HERE, I WILL ADDRESS THE BITE QUESTION.
THE SECOND LOCATION THAT WE'RE WRAPPING UP CONSTRUCTION ON RIGHT NOW IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THE FIREFLY TRAIL IN ATHENS, AND THAT IS NOT COINCIDENCE.
IT IS VERY INTENTIONAL. HAD IT NOT BEEN FOR A VERY SIZABLE BILL FOR CONCRETE STAIRS UP AND DOWN TO THAT TRAIL, WE IN ALL LIKELIHOOD, WOULD HAVE HAD DIRECT ACCESS TO THAT TRAIL.
BUT OUR OWNERSHIP IS VERY FOCUSED ON, WE RECOGNIZE CARS ARE PART OF IT, BUT WE WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE PEOPLE WALK UP RIDE THEIR BIKES.
I THINK, AS WAS MENTIONED, TOO, IS THE MINIMUM NUMBER OF BIKE PARKING SPACES.
WE RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT DECATUR IS A BIKEABLE COMMUNITY, AND THE COLLEGE IS JUST DOWN THE ROAD FROM US.
WE WILL HAVE THE APPROPRIATE AMOUNT OF BIKING SPACES.
>> THAT'S COOL. THEN TO ADD ON, YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THE SAFE STREETS.
IT DOESN'T REALLY SHOW IT RIGHT NOW, BUT THEY ARE REQUIRED TO UPGRADE THAT STREET SCAPE ALONG BOTH COMMERCE AND EAST COLLEGE.
YOU'LL BE LOOKING AT EIGHT FOOT WIDE SIDEWALKS, LANDSCAPE STRIPS.
IN THOSE, I THINK WE'LL TAG ONTO THE BIKING.
WE HAVE REQUIREMENTS FOR BIKING ON THEIR SITE, LIKE IN THE PARKING LOT CLOSE TO, BUT WE ALSO HAVE STREET FURNITURE BIKE RACK REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD BE ALONG THAT STREET SCAPE.
THERE PROBABLY BE MORE THAN YOU ACTUALLY SEE ON THAT PLAN, DEPENDING ON HOW YOU WANT TO ACCESS IT.
I THINK WE ALREADY ALLUDED TO THE GDOT.
ALL THE PERMITTING AND CURB CUTS HAVE TO COME THROUGH GDOT.
WE'LL SEE WHAT THEY APPROVED, BUT I'M SURE IF ANYTHING IS APPROVED, IT'S ONLY RIGHT IN RIGHT OUT.
WE GOT THE BIKE, I THINK THAT'S IT, RIGHT? WAS THERE ONE MORE? I KNOW YOU ASKED ABOUT THE RESTROOMS AND WE TOUCHED ON THAT ONE.
>> YES, PLEASE COME BACK UP. GOT YOU ON THE MIC.
>> I KNOW THE SIGNAGE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE PROJECT.
THERE'S THE CAFE, WE DON'T HAVE THE DESIGNS IN FRONT OF US, BUT THERE'S CAFE AS IN TECHS ON ONE SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND THE OTHER HAS A CIRCULAR LOGO.
THAT'S THE ONE THAT FACES THE RESIDENTS COMPLEX WITH THE 17 UNITS.
THAT IS THE ONE WHICH IS THE MORE CONCERNED THAT THAT NOT BE ILLUMINATED AT NIGHT.
BECAUSE AS I MENTIONED THERE'S ALREADY BEEN SIGNIFICANT CONFLICT BETWEEN US AND OUR NEIGHBORS AROUND LIGHTING SHINING AND BEST.
THE [INAUDIBLE] FACES NOTHING.
>> WE CAN LOOK AT THE EXISTING LIGHTING ON THAT PREMISE.
>> BATHROOMS? SHOULD WE TALK ABOUT BATHROOMS OR [INAUDIBLE]
>> YOU'RE WELCOME TO TAKE THAT ONE.
>> I HEARD A COUPLE OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT BATHROOMS, MAYBE IF YOU'D LIKE TO ADDRESS RIGHT NOW, YOU HAVE BATHROOMS ON THE OUTSIDE?
>> SURE. WE HAVE BATHROOMS ON THE OUTSIDE RIGHT NOW BECAUSE THAT IS LOCATION NUMBER ONE, LOCATION NUMBER TWO, THE RESTROOMS ARE NOT INTERIOR RESTROOMS. THAT IS IN LARGE PART, THE REASON THE RESTROOMS ARE WHERE THEY ARE.
BUT ALSO, IF YOU DON'T MIND, MAYBE PULL UP THAT SIDE PLANE IF YOU CAN.
THE OVERALL SITE PLAN, WE HAVE THE SEATING UNDER THE, I BELIEVE IT WAS CANTED.
THE CANTED ROOF RIGHT THERE, BUT WE ALSO PLAN TO AGAIN, WE'RE GOING TO MAXIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF GREEN SPACE AND SEATING WE CAN WITH WHAT WE'RE WORKING ON HERE.
THERE'S GOING TO BE SEATING ON THE PLANNED SOUTH SIDE OF THIS BUILDING.
THAT IS AGAIN, PART OF OUR BRAND, IF YOU WILL, IS TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE THAT OUTDOOR SEATING.
THAT'S JUST WHO WE ARE AND THAT SEATING IS IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THOSE OUTDOOR SEATS.
THE REALITY IS THE INTERIOR LAYOUT OF THIS BUILDING IS GOING TO CHANGE.
WE'RE HAPPY TO TAKE FEEDBACK WITH REGARDS TO RESTROOM LOCATIONS.
WE AGAIN, WE RECOGNIZE THE POTENTIAL ISSUE THAT WOULD CAUSE WITH ANY RESTROOMS THAT MAY BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, OPEN TO THE OUTDOORS.
REST ASSURED WHEN WE ARE NOT IN BUSINESS, THOSE BATHROOMS ARE GOING TO BE LOCKED IN INACCESSIBLE TO ANYBODY ELSE.
>> THOUGHTS HERE? CONVERSATION?
>> I'D LIKE TO RAISE A QUESTION ABOUT TRAFFIC COMING IN AND OUT.
YOU HAVE SOME GOOD EXPERIENCE WITH YOUR ATHENS FACILITY, AND PERHAPS IT'S LOCATED ON A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT THOROUGHFARE.
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MAYBE WHAT WE HAVE TO LEARN FROM THAT NEEDS TO BE TAKEN WITH A BIT OF A GRAIN OF SALT.BUT GIVEN THE SIZE OF YOUR FACILITY IN ATHENS AND THE SIZE OF THE RESTAURANT HERE, NUMBER OF TABLES, ETC.
>> THE OPERATING LOCATION IN ATHENS RIGHT NOW, IT HAS NO INTERIOR SEATING.
IT IS ROUGHLY THE SIZE OF A TRACTOR TRAILER CONTAINER.
ABOUT THAT SIZE. IT'S EFFECTIVELY ALL KITCHEN.
OUR SEATING RIGHT NOW IS GOING BACK TO THE EXTERIOR SEATING.
IT'S ALL LAWN SEATING FOR LACK OF A BETTER DESCRIPTION.
THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF SEATING ON A PATIO, BUT VERY MINIMAL.
>> SORRY. I WILL ADD, THAT LOCATION HAS A DRIVE THROUGH.
WE OBVIOUSLY ARE NOT PROPOSING A DRIVE THROUGH HERE, SO YES. DIFFERENT.
>> MOST OF YOUR BUSINESS, IF NOT ALL OF YOUR BUSINESS IS DRIVE THROUGH? OTHER THAN A LIMITED AMOUNT ON THAT BACK AREA.
I'LL BACK UP AND GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF HISTORY LESSON ON CAFE RACERS.
THE COMPANY WAS STARTED 78 YEARS AGO AND WAS LITERALLY THE BRAND CHILD OF A GENTLEMAN NAMED CHRIS HART.
HE'S OUR FOUNDER AND STILL OUR MAIN GUY.
CHRIS WAS LITERALLY OPERATING A TRAILER 20 MINUTES OUTSIDE OF ATHENS TO THE EAST, AND IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT ATHENS, THERE'S NOTHING 20 MINUTES EAST OF ATHENS, BUT FARMLAND.
REALLY GOT A LOT OF THE UNIVERSITY, BUT ALSO A LOT OF THE TOWN THAT GREW TO SAY, HEY, YOU KNOW WHAT, I WANT TO BE OUT HERE, I WANT TO BE AMONGST THE COMMUNITY.
THAT LOCATION HOW TO DRIVE THROUGH THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE BUSINESS WAS LET'S PULL UP, LET'S PARK OUR CARS.
LET'S CONGREGATE WITH OUR FRIENDS. LET'S BE HERE.
THE LOCATION IN ATHENS THAT IS EFFECTIVELY A DRIVE THROUGH WITH MINIMAL SEATING.
AGAIN A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR BUSINESS.
YOUR TYPICAL MCDONALD'S CHIPOTLE IS DOING 85-90% OF THEIR BUSINESS OUT THE WINDOW AT OUR LOCATION IN ATHENS THAT IS EFFECTIVELY A DRIVE THROUGH WITH SOME SEATING.
WE'RE DOING MUCH CLOSER TO 50/50 OR EVEN 60/40 WALK UP VERSUS DRIVE THROUGH AND HONESTLY, IT'S A TESTAMENT TO OUR BRAND, IT IS A TESTAMENT TO WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS NOT NECESSARILY JUST BE ANOTHER DRIVE THROUGH LOCATION.
WE'RE CONTRACTED ON THIS SITE, NOT BECAUSE WE WANT TO GO THROUGH TO DRIVE THROUGH, OBVIOUSLY.
IT WAS TOLD TO ME VERY EARLY ON THAT DON'T ASK, YOU'RE NOT GOING TO GET A DRIVE THROUGH HERE.
THIS WILL BE OUR FIRST NO DRIVE THROUGH LOCATION.
WE WOULD LOVE PEOPLE TO BE HERE, BE PRESENT, COME SIT WITH US, COME EAT WITH US.
WE RECOGNIZE THE FACT THAT DOWN THE ROAD, THE PLANS FOR THIS IMMEDIATE AREA ARE GOING TO CHANGE.
UNFORTUNATELY, THERE'S JUST AS MS. BATTLE INDICATED, IT'S JUST NOT A LOT OF PARKING RIGHT NOW.
THAT IN LARGE PART IS WHY WE'RE TRYING TO BE MINDFUL OF FOR PARKING TODAY?
>> WHERE I WAS TRYING TO GO WITH SOME OF MY QUESTIONS AND MAYBE GIVEN SOME OF THE ANSWERS, MAYBE I CAN'T GET THERE.
TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT COULD BE LEARNED FROM THE ATHENS ENVIRONMENT THAT MIGHT PREDICT HOW MANY CARS WILL BE COMING IN AND OUT EVERY HOUR IN THE DECATUR LOCATION TO SEE WHETHER OR NOT THE PARKING AND THE FACILITIES FOR BICYCLES OR WHATEVER ARE SUFFICIENT.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN GRAB ONTO FROM YOUR EXPERIENCE AT ATHENS THAT WOULD TELL YOU, YES, THESE 12 PARKING SPOTS ARE SUFFICIENT OR WE NEED 2024, BUT WE GET 12.
>> SURE. HAPPY TO ADDRESS THAT.
WE ARE OBVIOUSLY CONSTRAINED CONSIDERABLY BY THE SIZE OF THIS PROPERTY.
IT'S LESS THAN THREE QUARTERS OF AN ACRE, SO WE'RE MAKING THE BEST FOR WHAT WE HAVE.
WHAT I CAN TELL YOU WITH REGARDS TO OUR ONE ATHENS LOCATION THAT'S OPERATING IS WE ARE SITTING IN FRONT OF A SHOPPING CENTER WHERE WE SHARE IT'S AN OLD KROER SHOPPING CENTER THAT TURNED INTO A GYM THAT HAS A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF PARKING BEHIND US.
WE HAVE, CALL IT 35, 40 PARKING SPACES IMMEDIATELY AROUND OUR BUILDING IN THAT ATHENS LOCATION AND WE KEEP THOSE FAIRLY OCCUPIED.
IN ADDITION TO THE DRIVE THROUGH BUSINESS, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE THAT CORE CUSTOMER THAT COMES, SITS, STAYS.
WE HAVE ACCESS TO, AGAIN, IF YOU GUYS ARE FAMILIAR WITH PLACE OR AI AND SOME OF THOSE MOBILITY COMPANIES THAT WE CAN LOOK AT,
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HOW LONG SOMEBODY'S LINGERING ON A PIECE OF PROPERTY VERSUS, SOMEBODY THAT'S THERE FOR 2 MINUTES AND GONE.WE CAN EVALUATE SOME OF THAT DATA AND GET A PRETTY GOOD IDEA THAT THAT 50/50 SPLIT IN BUSINESS WITH REGARDS TO DRIVE THROUGH VERSUS PARKING AND STAYING.
WE FEEL VERY CONFIDENT IN THOSE NUMBERS.
THE SECOND ATHENS LOCATION, THIS MAY PROVIDE A LITTLE MORE INDICATION.
WE'VE GOT ABOUT 25 OR 30 PARKING SPOTS OVER THERE.
IT IS MUCH LESS CONDUCIVE TO THE DRIVE THROUGH ASPECT OF THE BUSINESS.
THE CITY OF ATHENS CLARK COUNTY, THEY ALLOWED US TO PUT A DRIVE THROUGH THERE.
IT WAS FORMERLY A DRIVE THROUGH, SO THEY WORKED WITH US THERE.
I PERSONALLY DO NOT BELIEVE WE'RE GOING TO DO A LOT OF BUSINESS OUT OF THAT DRIVE THROUGH JUST BECAUSE OF THE SITE LAYOUT.
WE'RE ACTIVELY TRYING TO, YOU KNOW, WORK WITHIN OUR CONFINES TO KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT THOSE TEN TO 12 EMPLOYEES THAT NEED TO PARK, BUT WE ALSO ARE GOING TO HAVE OUR CUSTOMERS AND TRYING TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF THAT.
AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THE BICYCLE COMMENT, WE HOPE PEOPLE ARE WALKING UP.
WE HOPE PEOPLE ARE RIDING BIKES.
THAT WOULD BE FANTASTIC FOR US.
>> BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THE 30-40 SPACES AROUND YOUR BUILDING THAT ARE FULL A LOT OF THE TIME.
HAVE 35-40 SPACES THIS PARTICULAR FACILITY.
I GUESS I'M CONCERNED ABOUT FOLKS THAT ARE DYING TO GET INTER ERASES, BUT THEN DO SOMETHING LIKE PARK STUPIDLY.
>> AND CAUSE PROBLEMS IN THE [INAUDIBLE] I WAS TRYING TO UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT MORE HOW THE EXPERIENCE AT ATHENS CAN INFORM WHAT WE MIGHT SEE HERE.
I'M UNDERSTANDING THAT ATHENS IS A DIFFERENT TYPE OF COMMUNITY THAN HERE, AND MAYBE HAVE, MAYBE NOT.
>> SURE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE REASON THAT WE'RE SEEKING A VARIANCE FROM 19 SPOTS TO 30 SPOTS IS FOR THAT REASON.
WE WANT TO MAKE THINGS AS COMFORTABLE AS WE CAN, AS SAFE AS WE CAN.
IN MY PREVIOUS LIFE, I WORKED FOR A CONVENIENCE STORE COMPANY, AND IF IF PEOPLE CANNOT GET ONTO THE PROPERTY AND OFF OF THE PROPERTY, THEY'RE JUST NOT GOING TO BE THERE.
>> THE LAST THING IN THE WORLD THAT WE WANT TO BE IS ANOTHER CHICK-FIL-A AND NOT TO NO CHICK-FIL-A, BUT IT TURNS INTO A MESS.
IT TURNS INTO MESS AT LUNCHTIME AND DINNERTIME AND A LOT OF CHICK THAT I VISIT, AND I DON'T GO THERE FOR THAT REASON.
IN AN IDEAL WORLD WITHIN THE CONFINES OF DEDICATOR I HOPE WE GET THE THOMAS AND HIS NEIGHBORS THAT QUITE FRANKLY WALK UP TO OUR LOCATION.
I FULLY EXPECT THAT WE ARE GOING TO HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT WALK TO THIS BUILDING, BUT I KNOW THAT BASED ON HISTORY OF ONE, THE PARKINGS ARE MORE TO US.
>> WITH ROUGHLY TEN SPOTS FOR EMPLOYEES, LEAVING ROUGHLY 20 SPOTS FOR CUSTOMERS, YOU AT ABOUT HALF THE SIZE OF THE PARKING OF YOUR ATHENS FACILITY?
>> AGAIN, I UNDERSTAND THE CONCEPT HERE, AND I'LL ACKNOWLEDGE THE FACT THAT, AS I MENTIONED EARLIER, SURE.
WE ARE VERY MUCH A CULT FOLLOWING IN ATHENS.
TO THE EXTENT THAT PEOPLE ARE DRIVING 20 MINUTES, ONE WAY TO GO VISIT US IN A TRAILER.
I'LL ASK THE COMMISSION, ARE YOU FAMILIAR WITH CAFE RACER AT ALL? HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF US? WE'VE GOT A LOT THAT WE NEED TO PROVE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY.
>> I'D ALSO LIKE TO POINT OUT WITH REGARDS TO CASEY MAY TELL ME [INAUDIBLE].
>> I'M NOT RIGHT ON THIS, BUT I CAN'T READ THE NAME OF THE STREET.
>> WEEKS IS NOT AS FAR A WALK.
HOWEVER, IT IS NOT AS DEVELOPED OVER THERE.
I WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT IF THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING THERE, PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GO TO WEEKS.
NOW, WHETHER OR NOT WEEKS, THIS IS THE ANSWER I DON'T HAVE ALLOWS ON STREET PARKING, I DO NOT KNOW.
BUT I WOULD ASSUME THAT IF PEOPLE CAN'T PARK THERE, THAT'S PROBABLY THE NEXT MOST LIKELY PLACE THAT YOU WILL SEE CARS LINED UP ALONG WEEKS.
I THINK THERE'S ONE OR TWO BUSINESSES THAT ARE OVER THERE, BUT THAT IS THAT THE OLD HARDWARE? THERE'S HARDWARE.
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>> ALL OF THE BUSINESSES ALONG WEEKS ARE FIGHTING FOR PARKING TO JUST FROM THEIR OLD DESIGN.
BUT THERE ARE CERTAIN PARKING LOTS DOWN THERE, BUT PEOPLE DO PARK ON WEEKS IN THE EVENING.
>> IF WE HAVE THE RECOGNITION THAT EMPLOYEES FROM OTHER BUSINESS PARK ON WEEKS AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR AN EXPANSION OF PARKING TO ALLOW EMPLOYEES AND PATRONS TO PARK, I WOULD ARGUE THAT IF EMPLOYEES ARE COMING IN FOR A SHIFT OF ANYWHERE FROM SOUNDS LIKE IT STARTED REALLY EARLY IN THE DAY, SOMETIMES, POTENTIALLY WALKING A FEW MINUTES FROM WHERE THEY PARKED THEIR CAR TO THEIR PLACE OF EMPLOYMENT ISN'T A BIG ASK WHEN POTENTIALLY LEAVING THE PARKING CAP AT 20 AND HAVING THOSE ALL FOR CUSTOMER PARKING OVER EMPLOYEE PARKING.
IN THE PAST, WHEN I HAVE WORKED WITH EMPLOYEES, I HAVEN'T HAD A GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO A PARKING SPOT LIKE 20 FEET FROM MY DESK.
>> THAT'S ALL I WOULD SAY ON THAT. THAT AT 4:00 A.M.
>> I AGREE WITH THE LAST COMMENT THAT WAS MADE THAT OVERALL [INAUDIBLE] THIS IS DESIGNED TO BE A NOT A PEDESTRIAN DISTRICT TECHNICALLY, BUT I BELIEVE THE DISTANCE OF SCHOOL IS FIVE MILES TO THE MART STATION.
I JUST PULLED THAT UP ON OUR SCHOOL BUS WEBSITE AND THIS LOT WOULD NOT BE ELIGIBLE FOR A SCHOOL BUS TO ANY SCHOOL.
WE EXPECT OUR ELEMENTARY SCHOOL KIDS WHO ARE 5-YEAR-OLD TO WALK 0.75 MILES.
I DON'T THINK THAT ASKING A FULL GROWN ADULT TO WALK 0.1 MILES FROM WEEK STREET THAT'S ALL.
FOR THAT REASON I AM NOT GOING TO GO IN SUPPORT OF ADDING ADDITIONAL PARKING OVERALL SUPPORT PROJECT.
THAT'S A GREAT PROJECT. I THINK ADDING PARKING IS OKAY.
>> I'VE GOT THERE'S WEEKS AND THEN THERE'S ON STREET PARKING OF WEEKS.
AGAIN, YOU IS THERE LIGHTING ON WEEKS?
>> I'M NOT SURE IF THEY'RE [INAUDIBLE].
>> COULD BE SOME OPPORTUNITIES FOR CONVERSATIONS WITH OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS TO HAVE SOME SHARED PARKING.
THERE'S THE GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET.
THEY MAY HAVE SOME I DON'T KNOW IF THEY HAVE THEY MAY HAVE SOME PARKING THAT THEY MIGHT SAY, WE CAN GIVE YOU FOUR SPOTS FOR YOUR STAFF.
THEN I'M LOOKING AT THE AVENUE ARTIST STATION REGULATED PLAN. IT'S A PLAN.
IT SHOWS ANOTHER POTENTIAL STREET TO THE SOUTH OF THE SIDE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PROBABLY BE SOME DOMAIN ACTUALLY TO GET THAT STREET IN, BUT SO THERE IS A CREATE A BIT OF A GRID.
LOOKING AT THE MIXED USE DISTRICT, IT TALKS A LOT ABOUT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, AND THE TRAIL IS GOING TO COME UP RIGHT ON THE WEST SIDE.
>> I WOULD ARGUE THAT THE PARKING IS NOT THE REQUEST IS NOT AT ALL REASONABLE.
I MEAN TO ME IT'S JUST MAKING LOGICAL USE OF THE SITE.
I THINK THE BIG MOVES THAT ARE PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY BRINGING BUILDING OUT TO THE STREET, AND THEN I PERSONALLY THINK A RELATIVELY SMALL LIT.
YOU DON'T KNOW THERE MAY BE SOME PEAK TIMES AND MAYBE SOME NON-PEAK TIMES AS LONG AS BICYCLES CAN BE REASONABLY ACCOMMODATED, WHETHER IT'S IN THE STREET ZONE OR THE OTHER ONE, TO ME, IT'S IT'S NOT EXCESSIVE PARKING BY PLAY LIKE A NICE LITTLE URBAN BUILDING THERE ON THE CORNER, LOOK GOOD AND IT WILL BE PROBABLY VERY POPULAR WITH PEDESTRIANS.
I THINK THE WAY THE PARKING IS TUCKED IN BEHIND VERSUS THE WAY IT IS NOW, WHICH IS YOU COME RIGHT UP BY THE CORNER IS MUCH FRIENDLIER SOLUTION THAT IN EFFECT USES ABILITY TO SCREEN THE LARGE MAJORITY OF THE CARS.
I AGREE THAT YOU MIGHT HAVE OVERFLOW ON WEEKS, BUT THAT WHOLE AREA COULD VERY EASILY BE REDEVELOPED AT A DIFFERENT DENSITY, AND I WOULD BE VERY SURPRISED IF IT DIDN'T HAPPEN IN THE NEXT THREE TO FOUR YEARS.
I THINK IT WOULD BE HARD TO SORT OF COUNT ON THAT LONG TERM.
SO THING YOU WOULD DO OTHER THAN THAT IS HAVE A LITTLE MORE GREEN PLACE AND PLANT A TREE,
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BUT I FEEL LIKE THE BUSINESS WOULD BE MUCH MORE VIABLE IF IT HAS ENOUGH PARKING TO WORK FOR SOMETIMES BUSY PEOPLES, SOMETIMES OTHER WAYS THAT MAYBE MORE PEDESTRIAN, BUT I WOULDN'T FORCE THAT BECAUSE I THINK BUSINESS THAT LIABLE.>> HAVE YOU GRANT A VARIANCE FROM THIS BUSINESS AND EVERY OTHER BUSINESS THAT COMES THROUGH IN THIS DISTRICT IS GOING TO EXPECT THE SAME THING.
>> I PERSONALLY THINK THIS IS A ONE OFF SITE THAT IS UNLIKE ALMOST EVERY OTHER SITE IN THE CITY OF THE CATER, ND IT'S A FUNNY LITTLE VIRTUALLY UNDER THE WHOLE PIECE OF PROPERTY TODAY TO ME IT'S BEEN SITTING THERE FOR LIKE FOUR YEARS [LAUGHTER].
I DON'T KNOW. I JUST FEEL LIKE I WOULD AGREE IT WAS A LARGER DEVELOPMENT, BUT I FEEL LIKE THIS IS SUCH AN ANOMALY.
IT'S MAKING GOOD USE OF IT IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT THE CITY IS TRYING TO DO BIG PAT TURN.
IT'S STILL VERY STRONG PEDESTRIAN ENHANCEMENT OVERALL [OVERLAPPING].
>> LOOKING AT THE REGULATING PLAN AND UNDERSTANDING THAT THE INTENT OF THE MIXED USE DISTRICT, EVERYTHING THAT COMES ALONG SHOULD BE AN INCREMENTAL STEP TOWARDS CREATING THAT DISTRICT.
EVEN THOUGH WE'RE NOT THERE NOW, I THINK TRYING TO SAY THIS PROJECT COULD HAVE ALL THESE EXCEPTIONS BECAUSE THE SURROUNDINGS DON'T COMPLY DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF HAVING THAT DISTRICT.
THE IDEA IS TO GROW INCREMENTALLY WITH EACH NEW PROJECT TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT'S MORE PEDESTRIAN, LESS CAR CENTRIC AND ALL THOSE THINGS. I LIKE THE PROJECT TOO.
I'M GLAD THAT IT'S ON THE STREET IN INSTEAD OF THE WAY IT IS NOW, THAT'S A GREAT MOVE.
THE OTHER POINTS, MR. RICK AND OTHERS HAVE RAISED, I FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE ALL ADDRESSABLE.
I DON'T HAVE STRONG FEELINGS ABOUT THE BATHROOMS ONE WAY OR THE OTHER.
I THINK THAT'S JUST AN OPERATIONAL QUESTION IN MY MIND.
BUT THE MAXIMUM PARKING IN THIS DISTRICT IS SUPPOSED TO BE 5,000.
THAT'S IT, AND SO WE'RE CONSIDERING SIGNIFICANT INCREASE OVER THAT.
I JUST I AGREE WITH JASON THAT GIVING ALL THE EXTRA PARKING THAT DOESN'T FEEL LIKE THE RIGHT MOVE TO ME.
>> LET ME ASK A QUESTION BECAUSE I THINK THERE'S A LOT OF DIFFERENT MOBILITY, RIGHT? HEAVY RAIL MOBILITY IS ONE TYPE OF MOBILITY.
BUT THERE'S ALSO E BIKES, RIDER, THERE'S SCOOTERS, THERE'S PEDESTRIANS, AND PEOPLE THAT ARE LIVING IN WINOA PARK ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE MARTA.
PEOPLE THAT LIVE AT LEGACY PARK ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE MARTA, PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THE COTTAGES, WE JUST BUT THE CROSS COMMERCE, ARE NOT GOING TO TAKE MARTA.
I'M MORE FOCUSED ON JUST HOW DO WE GET PEOPLE TO THE SITE SAFELY? CONSIDERING THAT THIS INTERSECTION HAS BEEN CHALLENGED, I THINK IT A TRAGICALLY DANGEROUS INTERSECTION.
I'M MORE FOCUSED ON IS THE SIX FOOT LANDSCAPE BUFFER ADEQUATE.
IS THE EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK BUFFER ADEQUATE FOR THE BIKING AND THE PEDESTRIANS AND THE MOBILITY THAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR.
WHAT I WOULD PROBABLY WHERE MY HEAD'S GOING IS MAYBE MAKE THAT MAKE THAT BUFFER A LITTLE BIGGER, MAKE THE SIDEWALK A LITTLE BIGGER.
THEREBY REDUCE SOME OF THE PARKING, INCREASING MOBILITY, BIKE MOBILITY, BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT LOOKS LIKE, BUT I GUESS MY QUESTION FOR POLICE, WHEN YOU GUYS CAME UP WITH THE SIX LISP WELFARE AND THE EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK, IN LIGHT OF THIS INTERSECTION, HOW CLOSE YOU ARE TO THE STREET AND TWO LANE, THERE'S FOUR LANES.
ARE WE COMFORTABLE THAT'S ENOUGH TO CREATE THAT PEDESTRIAN GUIDELINE, PEDESTRIAN DISTRICT WE'RE LOOKING FOR?
>> YES. THE STREET STAYS BEHIND LINES THAT HAVE BEEN IN PLACE, EVERYONE KNOWS IF YOU'VE BEEN DOING UPDATES.
THE ACTUAL CORE DISTANCES ACTUALLY HAVE ALWAYS GOING TO BE REMAIN THE SAME.
THE WAY WE LOOK AT IT IS WE LOOK AT IT BETWEEN WHETHER IT'S IN THE DOWNTOWN PEDESTRIAN DISTRICT, WHETHER IT HAS A COMMERCIAL OR IN THIS CASE, MIXED USE DISTRICT, OR WHETHER IT'S MORE OF THAT RESIDENTIAL FEEL WHERE IT'S YOU'RE NOT TRYING TO GET SOMEWHERE IT'S JUST THE NEIGHBORHOOD WALKING.
WHEN IT COMES TO THE CITY, WE HAVE TO KEEP THAT STANDARD, AND THAT'S THE STANDARD WE'RE GOING TO KEEP BECAUSE IT'S ABOUT CONSISTENCY, SAFETY, AND WE'RE NOT JUST DEALING WITH ONE PROJECT, WE'RE DEALING WITH MULTIPLE PROJECTS THAT WOULD FALL INTO.
>> YOU'RE SAYING THAT THE SIX FOOT AND THE EIGHT FOOT IS THE SAME AS DOWNTOWN.
>> THE DOWNTOWN HAS A DIFFERENT PEDESTRIAN DISTRICT, AND THEY HAVE A SIX FOOT LANDSCAPE TRIP JUST THE SAME WAY, BUT THEY HAVE A 10 FOOT WIDE SIDEWALK BECAUSE OF THE AMOUNT OF PEOPLE DOWN THERE.
>> LIVE PARK A LITTLE BIT SOUTH HAS A 10 FOOT AND A 14 FOOT OR SOMETHING.
I WAS JUST MEASURING IT OUT THIS WEEKEND.
I FEEL LIKE IT NEEDS TO BE APPROPRIATE TO THE SPEED OF THE TRAFFIC AND THE SIZE OF THE ROADS.
IF YOU'RE USING THE SAME LANDSCAPE BUFFER FIVE LANE, GEORGIA DOT HIGHWAY, WE ARE DOWNTOWN DICATOR.
I THINK WE'RE GOING IN THE SAME PLACE, BUT I THINK IF YOU MAKE THAT A LITTLE BIGGER THAN MIKE LANE, THEN YOU REDUCE THE PARKING, YOU INCREASE MOBILITY.
IT'S A SAFER ENVIRONMENT. THAT'S WHERE I'M HEAD.
>> THAT'S NOT REALLY AN ACTION OR A CONDITION THAT THE PLANNING COMMISSION OR EVEN THE CITY COMMISSION FOR THAT MATTER WOULD PUT ON IT.
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THAT WOULD HAVE TO BE COMPLETELY REWRITING THOSE STREETSCAPE STANDARDS.REMEMBER, THIS IS WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN ON THEIR PROPERTY.
WE ALREADY ARE GOING TO TELL THEM WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE RIGHT AWAY ON BOTH STREETS [LAUGHTER].
>> ONE THING I DID WANT TO POINT OUT, JUST SO YOU ALL ARE CLEAR THAT FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE, IF THEY CAN'T GET THE SEXO EXCEPTION, THEN THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PUT THE RESTAURANT THERE.
THAT IT'S FOR THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE THE BARKING.
THAT'S NOT TO SAY THAT THAT CHANGES ANYBODY ON HERE'S MIND, BUT I JUST WANT TO BE CANDID THAT THEY WON'T COME IF THEY CAN'T GET SOME RELIEF ON THE PARKING.
>> I WANT TO MAKE ONE NOTE TOO.
I THINK IT'S A MIXED USE DISTRICT, AND IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT YOU HAVE SOME VERY LARGE ASSEMBLAGES OF LAND AND YOU ARE GOING TO TREAT THAT WITH A MIXED USE.
BECAUSE IT'S A LARGE ASSEMBLAGE.
THAT DISTRICT INCLUDES SEVERAL ALL ARGUABLY OUT PARCELS LIKE THIS AND MAYBE PERHAPS LONG WEEKS.
I THINK THAT AGAIN WHY NOT A BIG AND AN OVER PARKING, THERE YOU DON'T HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THE DIVERSITY OF PARKING USE ON A SMALL S I MEAN, THIS SITE IS A I MEAN, IT'S A SMALL SITE.
IT'S NOT GOING TO HAVE FIVE DIFFERENT USES IN IT THAT MIGHT GENERATE A DIVERSITY OF PARKING.
TO ME, IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT YOU HAVE ONE, I THINK IS COOL.
THIS CAN BE NICE, BUT IT'S IT'S IT WOULD BE IT WOULD BE NICE IF IT'S A MORE VIABLE BUSINESS, AND I THINK THAT'S THE MAIN THING TO BE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING ON THIS FUNNY PARCEL THAT IS A VIABLE BUSINESS AND IS BIKE AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, AND IS A GOOD URBAN BUILDING THAT PULLS THE STREET LINES AND SLOW SLOW THE TRAFFIC BY BEING CLOSE TO THE STREET.
IT DOES A LOT OF THE RIGHT THINGS I MIGHT ARBITRARILY TRY TO REDUCE THE PARKING BECAUSE IT'S WRITTEN SOMEWHERE PROBABLY IN THINKING FOR A LARGER PARS JUST DOES TO ME AS FRACTAL.
>> REVOLUTION DOWN ON THE SAME STRETCH AND IT HAS ZERO ON SITE PARKING SPACE.
BECAUSE IT HAS A HANDFUL OF STREET PARKING HAS THAT HANDFUL PARK ACROSS THE STREET.
I ACTUALLY PARK ON THE RESIDENT OF THE STREET ON SIDE PEOPLE.
PEOPLE'S PEOPLE PARK ON. ARE PROBABLY PARK IN THE HARDWARE LOT.
THE PARKING THERE, THEY CANNOT PARK ON [INAUDIBLE].
>> OF THE SAME EXAMPLE ACTUALLY.
I WAS LOOKING AT THE STRIP THERE WHERE REVOLUTION AND THERE'S SEVERAL OTHER BUSINESSES AND EVEN IF YOU COUNT THE SQUATTING PARKING ACROSS IN THE GRAVEL AND THE CSX RIGHT AWAY.
>> I KNOW, BUT IT'S LIKE THERE'S A GRAND TOTAL THERE OF WHAT IS IT? LESS THAN 20 SPACES OF ALL THOSE BUSINESSES.
>> THAT'S ONE LANE IN THE [INAUDIBLE] WHILE HERE IS TWO LANE DIRECTION.
I WAS TO COMPLETE CONTINENT IT'S GOING DOWN TO ONE LANE, ISN'T IT COMING DOWN IT IS.
>> THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING, BUT I'VE NOT SEEN ANY FURTHER PLANS TO CONFIRM THAT.
>> WE DO NOT HAVE A SET OF CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS FOR WHAT THAT WOULD. [INAUDIBLE]
>> I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE. WHAT IS THIS.
WHAT PLAN DO WE KNOW? WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PLAN IS?
>> I DON'T HAVE A FINAL SET OF THE PLANS.
THAT WOULD BE GDOT WHO WOULD HAVE TO RELEASE THEM AND THEY WOULD SHARE.
>> I THINK THIS WOULD BE A NICE AMENITY FOR THIS PART OF TOWN.
I CAN IMAGINE THIS DRAWING AS MANY WALKING CUSTOMERS AS REVOLUTION DOES.
THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD, BASE OF RACE.
THERE'S TOWN HOMES, THERE'S THE APARTMENTS ON TALLY STREET.
THERE'S ALL THE NEW STUFF RIGHT UP THE ROAD.
THERE'S THE LOFTS CATTY CORNER.
THERE'S A PRETTY CRITICAL MASS OF RESIDENTS THAT ARE EASILY WALKING DISTANCE FROM THIS, THAT'LL PROBABLY BE EXCITED TO GO OVER THERE AND GET DONUTS THAT WON'T NEED TO PARK A CAR.
I'M NOT SURE THAT THAT'S GOING TO BE A HUGE IMPACT ON THE BUSINESS.
I DON'T RUN THE BUSINESS, BUT I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE THAT PROBABLY LOVE THE IDEA TO GO GET COFFEE AND DONUTS IN THE MORNING.
>> I WOULD ARGUE THAT IT WOULD BE A HUGE IMPACT LONG TERM ONCE YOU ESTABLISH THIS, IT'S NOT.
WE'RE SETTING THIS FOR THIS DISTRICT.
I LIKE THE DISTRICT, FOLLOW THE GUIDELINES.
>> I HEAR YOU. TO ME, IT FEELS LIKE THERE'S A COMPROMISE WHERE YOU MAYBE SOFTEN THE STREET A LITTLE BIT AND YOU GET A LITTLE BIT OF A MORE BUFFER AND GARNER EIGHT PER 1000.
I DON'T THINK EIGHT PER 1000 OR SEVEN PER 1000 IS OVER THE TOP FOR A RESTAURANT, THAT'S PRETTY MARKET.
I THINK IF YOU LOOK AT BENCH WARMERS, DOWNTOWN DECATUR.
YOU LOOK AT ME ANY SURFACE PARK, THE OLD DANCING GO TO ME.
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I DON'T THINK THAT'S OVER THE TOP HONESTLY. CHAI PANI.>> NOT FOR A RESTAURANT. THAT'S PRETTY TYPICAL FOR A RESTAURANT.
FIVE PER 1000 IS LIKE HAIR SALON. I WON'T ARGUE.
>> I TRY TO FIND A SPOT WHERE DANCING GOES TO THE VERY MODEL.
>> I HAVE A POST-NOTE RESPONSE TOO. I AM WITH TROUBLE BATHROOMS.
>> YEAH. I THINK IT'S ACCORDING YOU AWESOME.
>> YEAH. BUT I DON'T THINK IT'S DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF PEDESTRIAN ACCESS.
IT'S NOT DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF PEDESTRIAN ACCESS BY ADDING THESE EXTRA SPOTS.
>> I DON'T THINK IT GOES AGAINST WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH.
>> YEAH, I LIKE THE FACT THAT IT'S BREAKFAST, LUNCH AND DINNER.
IT'S LOCAL. IT FACES THE STREET.
>> THE REALITY IS, I THINK YOU DO NEED PARKING IN THIS AREA.
I LOOK UP, AND I HATE DRIVING PARKING IN REVOLUTION.
THAT'S WHY I DON'T GO. THAT'S REALITY.
IT'S NOT GOING TO ACCESS TO EVERYBODY.
>> I DON'T THINK MAKING AN EXCEPTION YOU ALWAYS MAKE AN EXCEPTION.
I THINK YOU'VE GOT TO LOOK AT IT CASE BY CASE.
THE SITE HAD DEFINITELY HAS DIFFERENCES THAT MAY BE DIFFERENT IN LARGER DEVELOPMENTS WHERE YOU HAVE ENOUGH DIVERSITY OF PARKING USE IF YOU OVERBUILD THE PARKING YOU END UP WITH A BUNCH OF AS, PASS TIME MOST OF THE TIME.
THIS ONE, I THINK IS FULL DAY IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE MOST OF THE TIME.
>> THINK ABOUT SECOND AND HOSEA.
THAT DOESN'T REALLY DETRACT FROM THE PEDESTRIAN EXPERIENCE.
I THINK IT'S CONTEXTUAL. I WORRY MORE ABOUT JUST PEDESTRIANS GETTING THERE.
>> I'M ALREADY THE SAME THING. IF YOU FIND OTHER PLACES, ESPECIALLY IF EMPLOYEES ARE GETTING.
>> BUT DO HAVE A SECOND TOPIC DISCUSSING ARCHITECTURAL?
>> YEAH. LET'S POP OVER TO THAT FOR A LITTLE BIT.
PRETTY SURE WE'VE SOLVED THE PARKING.
LET'S TALK ABOUT ARCHITECTURAL.
MAYBE WE CAN COME TO A CONSENSUS.
>> ASSUME THE THING IS TO TRY TO AVOID CHARACTERS OF THE ONE STORY BUILDINGS LIKE GAS STATIONS RIGHT THERE.
I'M JUST READING INTO WHAT IT SEEMS LIKE THE INTENT WOULD BE.
I WOULD AGREE 100% OF THE VERSION WITH THE SLOPE ROOF LOOKS.
AT THE CUTOUT LOOKS BETTER, LESS WASTEFUL MATERIALS, AND CERTAINLY THE GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET DOESN'T FEEL DIMINUTIVE AND OUT OF SCALE FROM EVERYBODY.
IT'S NOT AT ALL OUT OF HEATING WITH THE TOWN.
>> THE EXCEPTION AS WORDED SAYS, REDUCE IT 24-17, BUT WHAT I HEARD IS IT'S REDUCING 24-20.
>> THE WAY IT WORKS. IT REALLY AT 17.
EVERYTHING'S MEASURED FROM THE STREETSCAPE OF EAST COLLEGE AND WOULD GO BACK.
IT STARTS AT 17, IT SLANTS DOWN TO 15 AND THEN IT COMES UP TO 20.
IT'S REALLY THE FRONT IS AT 17, BUT IT DOES SLOPE FURTHER.
THAT'S WHY THAT'S WRITTEN IN HERE.
BUT THE HEIGHT AT THE STREETSCAPE, WHICH IS REQUIRED TO BE 24 IS ONLY AT 17.
>> OBJECTIONS OF THE RAIN. CORRECT DIRECTIONS.
>> SEEMS FINE. ARCHITECTURALLY. I'M NO ARCHITECT, BUT ARCHITECTURALLY, BOOKSTORE, WALKING OVER.
>> IF THERE WAS SOME LEGITIMATE TWO STORY USE, THAT'D BE GREAT, BUT I THINK IT DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THERE IS.
>> YEAH. WHAT IF THE MIXED USED OVERLAY WAS TRYING TO MAKE THIS TWO STORY MINIMUM DEVELOPMENT EVERYWHERE, IT SHOULD HAVE SAID THAT, JUST TO BUILD.
>> IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. IT DID.
IT JUST SAID BUILDING HEIGHT. I'M GOOD WITH THE PRODUCTION.
>> I'M LOOKING AT THE BUILDING NEXT TO IT INDEPENDENTLY.
I DON'T KNOW THE MEASURES ON THAT, BUT I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT IT'S MEDIUM OR SO.
>> I THINK FROM THAT STANDPOINT, SEEMS LIKE ANYBODY OPPOSED TO THAT WE GOT CONSENSUS THERE AT LEAST, SO TO REDESIGN THE BUILDING.
FROM MY STANDPOINT, BECAUSE I DO THINK THERE'S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE GOING TO CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR PEOPLE TO GET HERE IN A WAY THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE DRIVING AND THERE ARE A LOT OF
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OTHER PAVED AREAS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT COULD BE PARKED ON RIGHT NOW IN THE INTERIM.FUTURE DEVELOPMENT MAY PUT A PARKING DECK SOMEWHERE AND THEN THAT BECOMES AN OPPORTUNITY FOR BOTH STAFF OR PATRONS TO PARK THERE.
UT'S 58% MORE THAN WHAT THE CODE MAX IS.
FRANKLY, NOTHING SAYING, HEY, WELL, IF WE CAN GO 58% MORE ON PARKING, LET'S GO 58% LESS ON IMPERVIOUS, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO IT ALL IMPERVIOUS.
THERE'S NO METHOD OF, HEY, LET US GO HERE, BUT WE'RE GOING TO MAKE IT BETTER HERE.
I KNOW THAT GETS IN THE ZONING AND PERMITTING AND ALL OF THAT FROM A STANDPOINT OF THAT.
BUT, A BIT MORE THAN CODE MAX, YEAH.
58 SEEMS LIKE A BIG STRETCH TO ME.
MY OTHER JUST COMMENT LOOKING AT AGAIN, THINKING PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU MAY WANT TO COME UP AND ADDRESS THIS, THE NIKE SWOOP IN NIKE SWOOP OUT OFF OF EAST COLLEGE, IS THAT A GDOT REQUIREMENT?
>> BECAUSE THAT IS NOT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY AT ALL.
>> I WAS IN MEMORY THAT THAT WAS A GDOT. CAN'T FIGHT THAT ONE.
THEY DON'T WANT A LEFT TURN COMING OUT OF THERE THAT CLOSE TO THE.
I GET IT FROM THAT RESPECT. [OVERLAPPING]
>> THE SPEED OF A CAR COMING ON A SWOOP THAT CAN CUT THE IDEAS IT GETS THEM OFF THE ROAD FASTER BECAUSE YOU GET TO PARKING LOT FASTER, ACROSS THE SIDEWALK FASTER, WHERE THAT'S WHERE ALL THE PEOPLE ARE WALKING, BUT QUITE FRANKLY, GDOT EVER REALLY CARE ABOUT?
>> THAT'S NOT ON THE RECORD. [LAUGHTER] THAT'S JUST MY PERSONAL OPINION.
>> I WOULD GET TO THE QUESTION RELATIVE TO THE PARKING.
I WOULD ALSO REALIZE WHAT IT SAYS FOR THE FIXED USE OVERLAY, BUT I WOULD ALSO LOOK AT WHAT IS THE USE.
USUAL PARKING FOR FACT THAT HEAVY OF PARKING FOR SUCH A USE.
THE FACT THAT IT'S THIS USE AND ONLY THIS USE ON THE SITE, MAYBE LOOK AT THE PARKING IN A DIFFERENT LIGHT THAN SIMPLY WHAT IS WRITTEN IN THE ORDINANCE FOR A BROADER MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT.
I AGREED UPON AS WE SHARED COUPLE MORE THINGS.
>> I GET THAT IT'S NOT A STANDARD, BUT TO ME IT JUST SEEMS SO CLEAR TO JUST SOFTEN IT, GET SOME MORE BIKE CRANES, MAYBE SHRINK YOU THINK DOWN LOSE A COUPLE OF SPACES, YOU'RE AT EIGHT PER 1000. I DON'T KNOW.
TO YOUR POINT ABOUT CONCESSIONS, THAT'S WHERE MY HEAD GOES, BUT I AGREE.
CONTEXTUALLY IF THIS WERE A MIXED USE DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THREE OR FOUR ACRES AND THERE'S FIVE OR SIX USES, AND YES.
BUT I THINK THE REALITY IS, THIS IS AN INDEPENDENT PARCEL. IT'S NOT ASSEMBLED.
THE CITY HASN'T DONE ANYTHING FROM AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT RESPECTIVE TO TRY TO ASSEMBLE IT, SO REACTING TO THIS ONE PROPOSAL.
IT'S AN ENHANCEMENT, AND TO YOUR POINT ABOUT INCREMENTAL STEPS, I THINK IT DOES ENCOURAGE DEVELOPMENT IN THIS AREA BECAUSE RIGHT NOW IT'S A LITTLE BIT.
>> IT'S DOING A LOT OF GOOD THING.
I LIKE IT BETTER THAN A VACANT LOT BY A LONG SHOT.
>> IF THE CONCESSIONS ARE AND SOME ADDITIONAL PARKING.
EVERYTHING YOU SAID SOUNDS TERRIFIC, LIKE IT WAS GOING TO BE BIKE FRIENDLY AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY, BUT IF THERE WERE SOME SPECIFICS THAT, IN EXCHANGE FOR ADDITIONAL PARKING, WE CAN BE SURE THAT THAT WAS GOING TO BE THERE BECAUSE I THINK, I COULD EASILY EXPECT 50 TO 60% OF THE PEOPLE COMING UP ARE ON BIKE OR ON FOOT.
ESPECIALLY ONCE THE DEVELOPMENT IS BUILT.
IS THERE ANYTHING SPECIFICALLY THAT COULD BE ASKED FOR AND RECORDED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE IS A SUFFICIENT GREEN SPACE, WALKWAY, SIDEWALKS AND ENHANCE THE EXPERIENCE? WE'VE GOT THE SITTING ONE THERE.
IT'S NOT COMPLETELY CLEAR HOW THAT MANIFESTED IN THIS VERY BUSY CORNER WITH THE PORK CHOP IN AND A INTERSECTION AND ALL THAT.
>> REMEMBER, THIS IS STILL JUST THE CONCEPT PHASE.
THEY HAVE MANY MORE STEPS TO EVEN GET TO PERMITTING AND WE DO REQUIRE A MULTI-MODAL STUDY BE SUBMITTED, WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY A TRAFFIC STUDY EXPANDED TO LOOK AT ALL OF THE BIKING, THE WALKING, AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I THINK YOU WILL END UP GETTING SOME COMMENTS WHEN THEY ACTUALLY HAVE TO SEE WHAT IS RECOMMENDED THROUGH THAT STUDY.
I CAN'T TELL YOU WE'RE GOING TO MAKE THEM DO THIS, BUT THAT IS A PART OF THE STUDY THAT IS REQUIRED TO BE SUBMITTED FOR PERMITTING.
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>> TO YOUR POINT, MAYBE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE BUILDING, IF YOU WERE TO EXPAND THE SIDEWALK, CAN IT HAVE MORE BIKE LANDING AREA THAT COULD BE A WAY TO ENCOURAGE BIKE ACTIVITY OR MULTI-MODAL ACTIVITY; SCOOTER, Z BIKES, WHATEVER.
I'M NOT NECESSARILY SUGGESTING YOU MOVE THE BUILDING OFF THE HARD CORNER, BUT I THINK WHERE THERE'S ROOM TO BREATHE A LITTLE BIT, I THINK IT ACCOMPLISHES BOTH OBJECTIVES.
>> I WAS GOING TO SAY, ONE THING I KNOW YOU AREN'T NECESSARILY CARE ABOUT THE BATHROOMS, BUT I THINK WE CAN MAKE A COMMITMENT TO GETTING THOSE BATHROOMS ON THE INTERIOR NUMBER 1, WHICH IS OUTSIDE OF OUR NORMAL MODEL.
ADDING ADDITIONAL BIKE RACK SPACE, WE'RE ONLY REQUIRED TO HAVE TWO, SO I DON'T THINK THE ALREADY SAID WE WOULD INCREASE THAT.
>> WE'LL CERTAINLY HAVE MORE THAN TWO.
>> WE CAN TALK ABOUT WHAT THAT MIGHT LOOK LIKE IN TERMS OF THE NUMBER OF SPACES.
WE KNOW WE'VE GOT THE GREEN SPACE AREA THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO THEIR BRAND TO HAVE THAT OUTDOOR SPACE THAT THEY HAVE THERE.
BEING ABLE TO BIKE UP INTO THAT AREA, MAYBE THAT'S ONE OF THE PLACES WHERE THE BIKE RACKS GO.
>> IS THAT A CRATER. IS THAT MUCH HIGHER UP?
>> APOLOGIES. HONESTLY, I DON'T THINK WE HAVE THE LANDSCAPE PLAN IN HERE ALTHOUGH OUR CIVIL ENGINEER MIGHT BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT.
THE LANDSCAPE PLAN DOES A MUCH BETTER JOB OF PAINTING THE PICTURE OF WHAT THIS IS; TREES AND LANDSCAPE, QUITE FRANKLY, HIDING A LOT OF WHAT'S BEHIND THE BUILDING.
THE GRADE ON COMMERCE. IT IS FALLING.
WE'RE DOING OUR BEST TO WORK WITH THAT GRADE SO WE DON'T HAVE A RIDICULOUS ENTRANCE AND EXIT COMING IN OFF OF COMMERCE THERE.
BUT WE EXPECT THAT TO BE A FAIRLY SMOOTH ENTRY WITH THE OVERALL SITE FOLLOWING THE GENERAL SLOPE OF THAT LINE.
>> I'M JUST CURIOUS, HAVE YOU HAD ANY CONVERSATIONS WITH THE OTHER BUSINESS OWNERS ABOUT SHARING, COLLABORATING ON PARKING OR ANYTHING?
>> YES. I REACHED OUT, THE DISTILLERIES NEXT DOOR, THE GLASSBLOWING PLACES BEHIND US.
I BELIEVE THE GLASSBLOWING PLACE ACTUALLY OWNS THE PROPERTY DIAGONAL BEHIND US.
I'VE REACHED OUT TO HIM TO KNOW QUITE FRANKLY.
>> WHEN WE ORIGINALLY LOOKED AT THIS PROPERTY APPROACH THIS PROPERTY IN.
AGAIN, THIS IS LIP SERVICE TO THOSE THAT MADE JUST NOT MONTH PARKING. I UNDERSTAND THAT.
OUR PRINCIPALS SAID THIS SITE IS TOO SMALL.
THERE'S NO WAY WE CAN FIT ON THIS WHAT WE WANT TO DO ON HERE, AND THEN I SAID, "WELL, THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE A DRIVE THROUGH".
WELL, THAT'S A HURDLE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE TO GET THROUGH BECAUSE THAT'S OUTSIDE OF OUR BUSINESS MODEL.
ANYTHING YOU SEE IS WITH CAPTAIN RASER RIGHT NOW BUT WE HAVE A DRIVE THROUGH.
THE NEXT COMMENT WAS, CAN WE BUY THE PROPERTY NEXT TO HER? I'M HAPPY TO LOOK INTO IT.
>> WE WOULD BE STANDING IN FRONT OF YOU WITH ONE OF THE PROPERTIES NEXT DOOR IF THAT WAS AN OPTION.
IT'S WORTH NOTING, AND AGAIN, I KNOW IT'S NOT NECESSARILY YOUR PURVIEW, BUT THIS IS NOT AN EXPENSIVE PIECE OF PROPERTY AND GOING BACK TO MS. BATTLE'S COMMENT, OUR CONCERN WITHOUT THE PARKING IS THE ECONOMICS.
IF WE CAN'T PUT THE PEOPLE THERE AND HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT WE CAN HAVE CUSTOMERS PARK, WE DON'T HAVE CONFIDENCE WE CAN DO THE BUSINESS WE NEED TO DO IN ORDER TO PAY FOR THE PROPERTY, SO THAT'S BASIC MATH, BASIC ECONOMICS.
AGAIN, IT IS WORTH NOTING THIS WAS AN OLD SERVICE STATION.
WE'VE DONE SOME OF THE PRELIMINARY ENVIRONMENTAL WORK.
RIGHT NOW, WE'RE GETTING FAVORABLE RESULTS BY SOME MIRACLE, QUITE FRANKLY.
[LAUGHTER] THIS IS A SERVICE STATION FROM THE '40S AND '50S.
OUR CIVIL ENGINEER WAS ASKING ME EARLIER, "YOU GUYS HAVEN'T DRILLED A HOLE AND FOUND A TANK YET?" I SAID, "NO, NOT YET." KNOCK ON WOOD SO, WE KNOW THAT WE'VE GOT THAT TO CONTEND WITH.
AGAIN, THE PARKING IS A SMALL PART OF WHAT WE'RE ASKING FOR, SMALL IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF WHAT WE'RE COMPREHENDING.
I KNOW IT'S NOT SMALL IN WHAT YOU GUYS HAVE TO CONSIDER, BUT IN THE GRAND SCHEME OF THINGS, IT PLAYS INTO IT'S MULTIFACETED.
WE HAVE SIX CORPORATE EMPLOYEES AND THE OTHER EMPLOYEES ARE WORKING OVER IN WEST BROAD SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO BE VERY MINDFUL OF HOW WE SPEND OUR MONEY AND DOING OUR DUE DILIGENCE.
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>> THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD TO THAT IS THERE WAS A COMMENT ABOUT THE ACE HARDWARE.
I KNOW THAT I'VE HAD CLIENTS WHO HAVE WANTED TO BUY THE ACE HARDWARE.
I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY'RE GOING TO DO.
MAYBE THEY'RE GETTING READY TO DO SOMETHING FANTABULOUS THAT WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT, OR THAT MAYBE YOU ALL KNOW ABOUT AND THE REST OF US DON'T KNOW ABOUT.
BUT THE ONLY CHALLENGE WITH THAT IS SAYING, WHILE YOU CAN PARK THERE, IS ONE, THEY'D HAVE TO ALLOW US TO PARK THERE, NUMBER 1.
OTHERWISE, WE WOULD BE TRESPASSING, AND THEN TWO, THAT MAY NOT BE A LONG-TERM SOLUTION.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY ULTIMATELY ARE GOING TO DO WITH THAT SPACE SO THAT PARKING MAY GO AWAY, AND THEN WE'RE STILL SITTING HERE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE COMPONENTS OF THE CHALLENGES WITH OUR SITE.
WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT WE CAN GET SOME RELIEF WITH REGARDS TO THE PARKING.
>> THERE'S A LOT OF PARKING THERE RIGHT NOW.
[INAUDIBLE] STIPULATION IF WE GRANT THE ADDITIONAL PARK THEN IT MUST ALL BE IMPERVIOUS.
>> [INAUDIBLE] IN ANY FASHION.
>> YES, I THINK WE CAN STIPULATION [OVERLAPPING].
>> THE EXTRA 11 SPACES NEED [OVERLAPPING].
>> NO ALL OF THE EXTRA SPACES.
>> THEY'LL STILL BE DOING UNDERGROUND DETENTION FOR THE FULL SITE SO IT'S THERE ARE GOING TO BE REQUIREMENTS FOR CAPTURING AND MAINTAINING ALL OF THE STORM WATER AND THE RUNOFF.
>> THE TYPE OF PAYMENT DOESN'T AFFECT THIS?
>> IS IT BASED ON EXISTING CONDITIONS?
>> NO. THEY'RE ACTUALLY REDEVELOPING THE ENTIRE SITE, SO EVERYTHING NEW WOULD TRIGGER.
NOW THEY WILL GET NOT THE ENGINEERING GURU, BUT THEY WOULD GET DIFFERENT CREDITS FOR PERVIOUS TYPE SYSTEMS OR PERVIOUS PAVERS THAT WOULD THEN EQUATE TO WHAT THE UNDERGROUND DETENTION WOULD HAVE TO MAINTAIN, HOLD ALL OF THAT GOOD DONE.
>> IF THEY WANTED TO SHOOT THE BUILDING BACK A LITTLE BIT AND EXPAND THE SIDEWALK OR SOMETHING AND THAT'S A LITTLE BIT BIGGER THAN THE CITY STANDARD, IS THAT AN ISSUE?
>> WELL, I THINK WE AS STAFF PUSH THEM TO PUT IT UP THE CORNER.
THAT'S REALLY THE INTENT OF THIS DISTRICT [OVERLAPPING]
>> I'M JUST SUGGESTING IT SLIGHTLY BIGGER.
I'M JUST WONDERING IF THAT WOULD BE OBJECTIONS YOU HAD A SLIGHTLY WIDER.
>> WE DON'T WANT TO CHANGE THE SIDEWALK.
>> I MEAN, THE STREETS-CAPE IS DEFINED, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THAT IS WHAT WOULD GO IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
AS A CITY, WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE ONE PIECE OF LAND HAVING A TEN FOOT SIDEWALK, BUT THEN YOU HAVE TO FILTER IT DOWN INTO AN EIGHT FOOT SIDEWALK.
WE HAVE THE STREETS-CAPES DESIGNED, SO IT IS SPECIFIC AND WHEN EACH PROJECT COMES ONLINE, OR HAVE TO BE UPDATED, WHETHER IT'S BY THE CITY, WHO WOULD HAVE TO DO IT OR WHETHER IT'S BY A PRIVATE PROPERTY OWNER THAT WOULD DO IT WITH DEVELOPMENT, THAT EVERYTHING FLOWS CONSISTENTLY.
THERE'S BEEN SOME ISSUES AND YOU PROBABLY SEE THEM WHERE THE STREET GATES JUST CHANGE AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
THAT'S WHY THERE IS A STANDARD DETAIL.
WE KNOW WHERE THE TREES GO, WE KNOW WHERE THE BENCHES GO, WE KNOW HOW DEEP THE SIDEWALK IS, THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WE REALLY DON'T WANT TO PLAY WITH THOSE STREET.
>> THAT THE SIDE. I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT LEGACY PARK, WHICH IS A VERY BIG IT'S GOING TO CHANGE SOMEWHERE, BUT I HEAR YOU THAT`S FINE?
>> THAT'S ALSO A MULTI USE PATH, SO THAT ALL HAS TO FUNNEL IN.
THAT'S REALLY A DIFFERENT DESIGN THAN THE STREETS-CAPE STANDARD, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
>> WELL, I THINK IT'S GET NICE.
I MOVED TO THE [INAUDIBLE] WITH CONDITIONS, IF YOU GUYS WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, BUT I THINK IT'S.
>> I THINK IT'S DIFFICULT TO GET HIGHLY SPECIFIC ONES, IS IT POSSIBLE TO GET RECOMMENDATIONS THAT COME UP THE LINE JUST FIND SURE THAT THE BIKING US TO BE THERE IN THE END OR REAL [INAUDIBLE] TO DO THAT.
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>> I GUESS TO WHAT EXTENT? THEY ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE BIKE RACKS.
YOU CAN SPECIFY A CERTAIN NUMBER MORE, BUT THEY ALSO HAVE TO COMPLETELY DESIGN THEIR SITE.
THERE ARE MANY BUSINESSES WHO EVEN THOUGH OUR CODE ONLY SAYS TO, THEY UNDERSTAND AND FIND MORE PLACES AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT STAFF WORKS THROUGH TYPICALLY ON THAT PROCESS.
ONCE AGAIN, NOT ONLY WOULD THERE BE BIKE WARE RACKS ON THEIR SPECIFIC PROPERTY, PROBABLY IN THE BACK AREAS BY THE DOORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, THE STREETS-CAPE STANDARDS REQUIRE BIKE RACKS IN THE STREET AS WELL.
THERE'S OTHER PLACES THAT ARE ALREADY BUILT IN IN THE CODE TO MAKE SURE THAT DEPENDING ON WHERE YOU'RE TRYING TO GET OR B, YOU CAN ACTUALLY USE A BIKE RACK.
IS THAT SOMETHING THAT? I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE.
>> IS THE MOTION THEN THAT BOTH EXCEPTIONS ARE?
>> YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO STATE THE FULL MOTION.
>> SEPARATE WE'RE NOT VOTING ON SEPARATE EXCEPTIONS.
IS THAT THE HEIGHT IN THE PARKING GOES TO THE TWO ISSUES.
>> THE ORDINANCE IS ACTUALLY JUST WRITTEN FOR THE PARKING.
IF YOU WANT TO GIVE BOTH THE PARKING AND THE BUILDING ELEVATIONS, YOU JUST NEED TO MAKE THAT MOTION AND WE'LL MODIFY THAT ORDINANCE AND WE'LL MOVE FORWARD AS YOUR RECOMMENDATION.
>> WHERE THE CONDITIONS. [INAUDIBLE]
>> SURE. WHEN YOUR MOTION, YOU'RE GOING TO SPECIFY THAT YOU WOULD INCREASE THE PARKING AND DECREASE THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND THEN YOU CAN JUST ATTACH THE CONDITION.
>> IT'S JUST NEED THAT WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT BOTH ITEMS ARE IN THE MOTION, IF THAT MAKES SENSE AND THE CONDITIONS.
>> RIGHT NOW, THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE PRINTED IN FRONT OF US?
>> SO WE NEED TO ADD BUILDING?
>> YEAH. IT'LL JUST BE IN YOUR MOTION AND I'LL DO THAT ALL BEHIND THE SCENES.
>> THEN YOU'LL HAVE THE CONDITION, IF I'M CORRECT, FOR THE RESTROOM FACILITIES TO BE INTERIOR.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU STILL WANT TO ENTERTAIN ANY PERVIOUS MEASURES OR NOT, THAT'S FINE?
>> WE HAVE A MOTION [INAUDIBLE]
>> FIRST LET'S LET'S GET THE MOTION.
>> FIND OUT SO YOU MADE THE MOTION, AND DID YOU INTEND TO ALLOW A REDUCTION OF BUILDING HEIGHT TO 17 FEET?
>> NO AGREEMENT THAT THAT WAS THE MOTION THAT YOU SECOND.
>> YES IT DOES SAY [INAUDIBLE]
YOU CAN SAY IT I'LL WRITE IT ACCORDINGLY FOR THE PLAN?
>> IS THAT THE MOTION YOU WOULD HAVE SAID.
>> NOW THAT WE HAVE A DULY EDITED MOTION BY THE MOTION AND THE SECOND NOW WE CAN HAVE DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION THAT IS ON THE FLOOR.
WE'VE BEEN CHATTING, BUT NOT TECHNICALLY YOU'RE NOW AT CHAIR [LAUGHTER] UNDER ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER.
WE'LL FLOW AS BEST I CAN REMEMBER.
>> YOU'D LIKE TO EDIT. YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT TO THE MOTION.
TO ADD BATHROOM SHALL BE ACCESSIBLE FROM THE INSIDE ONLY.
[LAUGHTER] I MEAN, BECAUSE THEY CAN MAKE TWO DOORS, RIGHT?
>> AM I ALLOWED TO SPEAK TO THIS REALLY QUICK?
>> FORGIVE ME IF I'VE ALREADY MENTIONED THIS, I WAS CHATTING WITH THE CIVIL ENGINEER.
BUT THE REASON THOSE RESTROOMS ARE ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING IS BECAUSE WE HAVE SEATING ON THE BACK OF THE BUILDING SO TRYING TO MAKE THEM AS ACCESSIBLE AS WE CAN, AGAIN, GOING BACK.
YES, WE HAVE INTERIOR SEATING THAT'S GOING TO BE PART OF OUR BUSINESS.
BUT WE EXPECT PEOPLE TO UTILIZE THAT OUTDOOR SEATING, SO WE WANT TO MAKE IT JUST VERY EASY FOR COULD.
>> WILL YOU BE BUILDING TWO INTERIOR AND TWO EXTERIOR? I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO GET TO ON THE CONDITION.
>> IDEALLY, IF WE NEED TO HAVE TWO RESTROOMS, WE'RE GOING TO BUILD TWO RESTROOMS, IF YOU GUYS WOULD PREFER THEM BE ON THE INSIDE OF THE BUILDING?
>> WELL COULD ONE BACKROOM BE ACCESSIBLE FROM THE INSIDE AND ONE BE ACCESSIBLE?
>> POTENTIALLY YES AND [OVERLAPPING].
>> [INAUDIBLE] AS THE ACCESS CONTROL?
THERE WILL BE SOMETHING THAT YOU [NOISE] [INAUDIBLE] 100 PERCENT, YES.
>> WE'RE GOING TO NEED PRIMARY RESTROOM FACILITIES ACCESSIBLE FROM THE INTERIOR OWNING,
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WHICH THEN ALLOWS YOU TO BUILD ONE OR TWO FROM THE EXTERIOR.>> YES, WE WILL ABSOLUTELY. [OVERLAPPING]
>> WHATEVER NUMBER IN-DEFINED SHOULD SET TO BE
>> FOR THE RECORD, IT'S OUR ARCHITECT THAT'S ON THE ZOOM CALL, AND SHE'S PROBABLY ROLLING YOUR EYES AT ME RIGHT NOW, BUT YES, WE WILL 100 PERCENT FIGURE THAT OUT.
>> DID YOU SAY MINIMUM OF ONE?
>> WELL, YEAH, I THINK WE JUST WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF SPECIFIED CODES AS TO HOW OUR BATHROOMS NEED TO WORK.
I THINK WE WANT TO USE THE WORD PRIMARY.
THE PRIMARY RESTROOM FACILITIES NEED TO BE ACCESSIBLE FROM THE INTERIOR ONLY AND THAT WOULD STILL ALLOW THEM TO HAVE ONE AND OR TWO ON THE EXTERIOR IN THE REAR.
>> PRIMARY RESTROOM FACILITY ACCESSIBLE THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
THAT IS A FRIENDLY AMENDMENT AS THAT MOTION.
>> I DO. I MEAN, I HEAR THEM SAYING THEY WOULD JUST PUT THEM INSIDE.
I THINK IT'S PRETTY TYPICAL FOR PEOPLE TO HAVE OUTSIDE SEATING WITHIN DOOR BATHROOM, SO I'M NOT SURE WE EVEN NEED TO MAKE THAT COMPROMISE, BUT IF YOU ARE COMFORTABLE WITH IT, IT'S FINE, BUT I THINK WE CAN HAVE THEM BOTH INSIDE, OBVIOUSLY.
>> YOU ACCEPT THAT AS YOU DO TOO.
MOVED. FURTHER DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION, WHICH IS TO INCREASE PARKING FROM THE MAXIMUM OF 19 TO 30 ALLOW A REDUCTION OF BUILDING HEIGHT FROM 24 FEET TO 17 FEET AND THAT THE PRIMARY RESTROOM FACILITY WILL BE ACCEPTABLE FROM THE INTERIOR OF THE BUILDING.
>> ALL THE QUESTION? NO, THAT'S TECH ROBERT JULES. WE'VE NEVER DONE THAT BEFORE.
CALL QUESTION WE NEED A MAJORITY TO CALL THE QUESTION.
ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF CALLING THE QUESTION, SAY AYE.
>> ALL THOSE OPPOSED? CHRIS, ANY ABSENCE?
>> THIS IS JUST TO MOVE TO THE [OVERLAPPING].
>> TO THE VOTE. THIS IS JUST TO MOVE TO THE VOTE.
YOU WANT TO STATE WHY WHY YOU VOTED NO TO MOVE TO THE VOTE? WOULD YOU LIKE TO TALK MORE?
>> NO. I JUST I JUST OBJECT TO THE PARKING INCREASE.
>> MOTION TO CALL THE QUESTION HAS BEEN APPROVED.
NOW, WE WILL VOTE ON THE MOTION ON THE ORDINANCE IN FRONT OF US.
DO YOU WANT ME TO READ THE WHOLE THING, CASEY, OR JUST RECAP THE MAJOR PORTIONS OF IT.
>> I'VE GOT IT IF EVERYONE ELSE IS AWARE.
YOUR MOTION IS TO APPROVE THE ADDITION THE INCREASE IN PARKING, THE REDUCTION IN THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND REQUIRE THAT THE PRIMARY RESTROOMS HAVE INTERIOR ACCESS.
>> ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE MOTION.
>> LET'S RAISE OUR HAND SO I CAN GET EVERY GOOD VOTE.
ALL THOSE OPPOSED? MISS JASON CHAIR ABSTAINS.
>> CHAIR CHOSE TO ABSTAIN FROM THIS SO WE HAVE 4,2,1.
MOTION PASSES. YOU NEVER HAD THE CHAIR ABSTAIN BEFORE?
>> NO. YOU DON'T NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT [LAUGHTER] YEAH. NO.
[VI.a. Planning Commission Training: Wednesday, October 1, 2025 at Legacy Park]
IS THAT OTHER BUSINESS, OUR NEXT MEETING WILL BE OCTOBER 1ST AT LEGACY? WAIT SEPTEMBER MEET TRAINING IN OCTOBER 1ST AT LEGACY PARK.AND WE HAVE OUR NEXT MEETING ON SEPTEMBER 9TH THIS YEAR.
[VI.b. Next meeting: September 9, 2025.]
>> YES, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY ITEMS QUITE YET.
IF I'M GOING TO CALL IT, I'LL LET YOU GO.
>> OCTOBER, 9 AND WITH THAT, WE ARE ADJOURNED.
* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.