[00:00:03] ON A TUESDAY. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. THIS IS A REGULAR MEETING OF THE DECATUR PLANNING COMMISSION FOR TUESDAY, [I. Call to Order.] OCTOBER 14TH, 2025. MY NAME IS JOHN MCFARLAND. I WILL BE CHAIRING THE COMMISSION THIS EVENING. THIS IS A SEVEN MEMBER COMMISSION OF DECATUR RESIDENTS APPOINTED BY THE CITY COMMISSION. THIS COMMISSION HEARS APPLICATIONS FOR LAND USE AND ZONING CHANGES, CONDITIONAL USE PERMITS, SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, AND LAND SUBDIVISIONS. IT ALSO REVIEWS AND RECOMMENDS CHANGES TO THE CITY'S ZONING REGULATIONS AND FUTURE LAND USE PLANS. I WILL ACQUAINT YOU WITH THE PROCEDURES THIS COMMISSION FOLLOWS IN THE CONDUCT OF ITS MEETINGS. WE HEAR APPLICATIONS TONIGHT IN THE ORDER THEY ARE LISTED ON THE PRINTED AGENDA. APPLICANTS ARE GIVEN TIME TO PRESENT THEIR CASE WHEN THEIR APPLICATION IS CALLED. SUPPORTING AND OPPOSING PARTIES ARE ALSO GIVEN AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRESENT THEIR REMARKS TO THE COMMISSION. PLEASE BE SURE TO STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS BEFORE BEGINNING YOUR REMARKS, AND THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS ON THE APPLICANT TO CONVINCE THE COMMISSION TO VOTE IN THEIR FAVOR. APPLICANTS ARE ALSO ALLOWED TO PRESENT REBUTTAL TO ANY OPPOSITION AGAINST THEM. OPPOSING PARTIES ARE NOT GRANTED AN OPPORTUNITY FOR REBUTTAL. WHILE WE DO NOT FORMALLY LIMIT THE TIME FOR MULTIPLE PARTIES TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OR OPPOSITION TO AN APPLICATION, WE DO ASK SPEAKERS TO REFRAIN FROM SPENDING TIME REPEATING ARGUMENTS THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN PRESENTED. INDIVIDUAL SPEAKERS ARE ALSO ASKED TO BE AS CONCISE AS THEY CAN WHEN MAKING THEIR REMARKS. ONCE ALL INTERESTED PARTIES HAVE BEEN HEARD, WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE APPLICATION. PLEASE REFRAIN FROM APPLAUSE OR DIALOG DURING OR AFTER PRESENTATIONS. ALL REMARKS SHOULD BE ADDRESSED TO THE COMMISSION AND WE ASK YOU TO REFRAIN FROM ENGAGING ANYONE ELSE DIRECTLY. PLEASE SHOW THE SAME RESPECT TO ANYONE WHO IS SPEAKING THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT TO RECEIVE YOURSELF. THE PLANNING COMMISSION MAKES RECOMMENDATIONS ON ALL APPLICATIONS TO THE CITY COMMISSION, WHICH IS FINAL DECISION MAKING AUTHORITY ON THESE CASES. WE ARE SUPPORTED THIS EVENING BY OUR PLANNER, KC KRZIC. AT THIS TIME, I ASK MY FELLOW PLANNING COMMISSIONERS TO INTRODUCE THEMSELVES, STARTING WITH MY RIGHT. JOE GRECO. JASON FRIEDLANDER. KEN WEST. CHRIS SCIARRONE. JENNY STEIN. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. ALRIGHT. WE DO HAVE A QUORUM, SO WE WILL GET STARTED. [II. Approval of Minutes] FIRST THING ON OUR AGENDA IS THE APPROVAL OF OUR MINUTES FROM AUGUST 12TH. HAS ANYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THOSE MINUTES? ANY PROPOSED CHANGES TO THE MINUTES? OH, I'LL GET THAT. NO PROBLEM. MY APOLOGIES. WE'LL SEND THEM BACK. OKAY. SO, JENNY, SPELLING OF HER NAME. ANY OTHER CHANGES? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES, AS AMENDED BY JENNY. I MOVE TO HAVE THE MINUTES APPROVED AS AMENDED BY JENNY. SECOND. THANK YOU, JASON. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND SAY AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? NONE OPPOSED. MINUTES HAVE BEEN APPROVED. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. WE HAVE NO UNFINISHED BUSINESS, SO WE WILL MOVE ON TO NEW BUSINESS. [IV.a. Michael Clifford, on behalf of Dream Capital, is requesting a special exception from the Downtown Decatur Parking District to increase the maximum required parking spaces to be off site from 80% to 93% for the construction of a hotel at property located at 701/ 705 Church Street. The property is zoned C-2.] WHICH IS MICHAEL CLIFFORD, ON BEHALF OF DREAM CAPITAL, REQUESTING A SPECIAL EXEMPTION FROM THE DOWNTOWN DECATUR PARKING DISTRICT TO INCREASE THE MAXIMUM REQUIRED PARKING SPACES TO BE OFF SITE FROM 80% TO 93% FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A HOTEL AT THE PROPERTY LOCATED AT 701/705 CHURCH STREET. THE PROPERTY IS ZONED C-2. MICHAEL, PLEASE COME UP AND AGAIN STATE YOUR NAME. THANK YOU. EXCUSE ME. THANK YOU. MICHAEL CLIFFORD WITH PCA STUDIOS ARCHITECTS REPRESENTING THIS PROJECT. AND AS YOU STATED, WE ARE SEEKING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO REDUCE THE AMOUNT OF ON SITE PARKING TO ROUGHLY TEN SPACES. PERCENTAGE IS AROUND 92% VERSUS 80% THIS PROJECT WILL BE A SIX STORY AC HOTEL, WHICH IS A MARRIOTT BRAND HOTEL. IT'S ONE OF THEIR LIFESTYLES OR THEIR UPPER TIER BRANDS. IT WILL HAVE 144 GUESTROOMS. IT WILL HAVE A KITCHEN, BAR, RESTAURANT AT THE TOP LEVEL WITH A WITH EXTERIOR TERRACE FOR GUESTS AND THE PUBLIC TO USE AND THE OTHER STANDARD HOTEL AMENITIES AS FAR AS THE FITNESS ROOM AND MEETING ROOMS, ALONG WITH THE GUEST ROOMS. OUR ENTRANCE OFF OF CHURCH STREET IS JUST A SINGLE ONE WAY ENTRY. THERE WILL BE NO EXITING PROPERTY ONTO CHURCH STREET, AND THEN WHEN YOU DRIVE IN, YOU DRIVE IN UNDER THE BUILDING. SO AS THEY DRIVE THROUGH UNDER COME ONTO THE SITE. WE HAVE THE PARKING SPACES TO THE RIGHT. THERE'LL BE THE ADA REQUIRED SPACES ALONG, AS WELL AS VEHICLE CHARGING SPACES, AND THEN SOME TEMPORARY SPACES FOR GUESTS COMING, LOADING AND UNLOADING. [00:05:05] AS YOU PULL ONTO THE SITE, THE LANE DOES WIDEN TO PROVIDE A DROP OFF AREA IN THE VALET AREA. SO THIS PROJECT IS INTENDED TO BE 100% VALET, WHERE GUESTS WILL COME AND UNLOAD THEIR LUGGAGE. VALET WILL TAKE THEIR CAR TO AN OFF SITE PARKING DECK, AND THEN WHEN THEY LEAVE, IT'LL BE RETURNED TO THEM THERE. AND AGAIN, THERE'LL BE NO EGRESS FROM THE SITE ON CHURCH STREET. ONLY ENTRY. THE OVERALL KIND OF REASONING FOR US ASKING FOR THIS IS THAT THERE'S PLENTY OF PARKING DECK SPACE WITHIN DEKALB COUNTY, AND PEOPLE CAN TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THAT. WE'RE ALREADY AT 80% OFF-SITE PARKING BEING ALLOWED. WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR ADDITIONAL SPACES, WHICH MAKES OUR SITE MORE WORKABLE. WORKING WITH K SENIOR GROUP THE ONE WAY INTO SOMETHING THAT WE CAN WORK WITH AS FAR AS ACCESS FROM THE SITE, AS WE HAVE THE ALLEY ALONG THE BACK, WHICH GIVES US PLENTY OF ACCESS AROUND THE CHURCH STREET AND COMMERCE, AND WITHOUT HAVING TO GO OUT BACK TO THE STREET AND. JUST REALLY ANY QUESTIONS YOU GUYS MIGHT HAVE? THANK YOU MICHAEL. I´LL OPEN IT UP TO THE COMMISSION. QUESTIONS FOR MIKE AT THIS POINT? WE ALWAYS RESERVE THE RIGHT TO ASK YOU QUESTIONS LATER. I'M SURE. I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS RELATED TO PARKING AND THE RATE AT WHICH VALET PARKING CAN TAKE CARS IN. AND MAYBE IF YOU'RE AWARE OF MY CONCERNS, MAYBE THAT'LL HELP BETTER ANSWER THE QUESTION. AND THAT IS IF, IN FACT, THERE IS A BACKUP IN THE ENTRANCE WITH CARS. YOU'RE RELATIVELY CLOSE TO THE CHURCH COMMERCE INTERSECTION, AND ANY SORT OF BACKUP THERE COULD CAUSE TROUBLE AT THE LIGHT COMING UP FROM COMMERCE. ANY BACKUP INTO THE HOTEL PROPERTY COMING DOWN FROM CHURCH STREET? AT THIS POINT IN CHURCH STREET, YOU ARE AT THE BEGINNING OF THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE INTO THE HOTEL SO THAT YOU WOULD BE BLOCKING THE LEFT HAND TURN LANE. AND SO FOR ME A CONCERN I WOULD HAVE IS WHAT IS THE LIKELIHOOD OF A BACKUP AND VALET PARKING, IF YOU DON'T HAVE A COUPLE OF VALETS SHOW UP. THAT WOULD BE A BACKUP. IF A LOT OF FOLKS ARE STARTING TO COME INTO THE HOTEL FOR 5:00 OR WHATEVER A TYPICAL TIME IS, THAT COULD CAUSE A BACKUP. AND IT SEEMS LIKE THE AMOUNT OF AVAILABLE REAL ESTATE FOR THE CARS HERE DOESN'T ALLOW ANY SORT OF SAFETY VALVE FOR THOSE BACKUPS. I AM NOT A TRANSPORTATION ENGINEER. BUT I IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, VALET PARKING IS AS OLD AS THE AUTOMOBILE INDUSTRY. I'M SURE THERE'S BEEN SOME UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT OUR TYPICAL SORTS OF REQUIREMENTS OR EXPECTATIONS IN TERMS OF HOW MANY CARS YOU NEED TO HANDLE ON ANY POTENTIAL BACKUP. AND I THINK TO PIGGYBACK ON THAT QUESTION, I GUESS, WHAT'S THE CAPACITY OF THE RESTAURANT AND THEN THE CONFERENCE CENTER? WELL, THE CONFERENCE IS JUST A SMALL HOTEL. YEAH, IT'S LESS THAN 1500 SQUARE FEET. OKAY, SO. THE RESTAURANT, I DON'T HAVE THAT NUMBER RIGHT NOW. I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK TO IT THAT WAY, COMPANY. BUT, YOU KNOW, THEY STAFF UP DURING THE BUSY TIMES. BUT WE DO HAVE AS COMPARED TO A LOT OF PROJECTS, WE CAN REALLY STACK ALL ALONG THAT SIDEWALK NEXT TO THE BUILDING ON OUR PROPERTY. YOU KNOW, IT'S LARGER THAN TWO LANES. SO AS CARS COME IN AND THEY'RE BACKING UP, WE CAN STACK. JUST DID A QUICK COUNT. AT LEAST 16 CARS WE COULD STACK UP USING A 20 FOOT PLANTERS. BUT JUST BY THE NUMBERS THOUGH, WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWED TO HAVE UP TO. OFF SITE, YOU'RE ASKING FOR 12 MORE. WE'RE ASKING MOVING 12 MORE SPACES. AND THEN I NOTICED ON THE LETTER HERE THAT TALKS ABOUT WHO YOU'RE TALKING WITH, WHAT YOU'VE GOT POTENTIALLY 100 SPACES AT 1037 COMMERCE AND 100 SPACES AT 755. THAT'S WAY MORE THAN YOU ACTUALLY NEED, IT SEEMS LIKE. IS THAT JUST. AT THIS POINT, IT'S TOO EARLY TO SIGN A CONTRACT. SO WE WERE ASKED TO CONTACT THE LOCAL PROJECTS THAT WE WOULD USE. AND THEY WERE TELLING US HOW MANY SPACES THEY WOULD NEED. AND I CAN CLARIFY THAT. US AS A CITY WILL REQUIRE EASEMENTS TO BE SECURED AND RECORDED. WE HAVE A SIMILAR SITUATION ON THE NEW HOTEL ON SWANTON WAY. [00:10:01] THEY'RE ACTUALLY AT 100% OFF SITE. SO THEIR VALET IS LOADING AND UNLOADING ON THE STREET. AND IN THEIR CASE OBVIOUSLY IT COMES DOWN TO WHAT IS AVAILABLE AT THE TIME THEY NEED IT. SO THEIR RECORDED EASEMENTS WILL BE COMING IN SHORTLY, AND THEN THEIRS WOULD BE REQUIRED TO COME IN AT THE TIME OF THE LDP RELEASE. HOW LONG DOES IT LAST, THAT AGREEMENT? WELL, THAT'S UP TO THEM. I BELIEVE THEY'RE 20 AND 30 YEAR CONTRACTS, BUT WE WOULD WORK WITH THEM AND UNDERSTAND THE TERMS AND GET A COPY. IT WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO GO TO LABS. WE NEED TO CARRY OUT WORK TO SELL TO ANOTHER PROPERTY OWNER. AND THEN ALSO A TRANSPORTATION STUDY IS REQUIRED FOR EVERY PROJECT. THAT'S CORRECT. PROJECT. WHEN IT GOES INTO LDP OR EVEN BEFORE WE'LL HAVE A TRANSPORTATION STUDY COMPLETED. THERE'S A 0.75 SPACES PER KEY ALREADY FACTORED IN THE WALKING DISTANCE TO THE MARTA STATION. IS THAT ALREADY ABSORBED SOMEHOW? SO WE DON'T HAVE A REDUCTION IN THE PARKING AVAILABLE. NO. RIGHT. THEY'RE ALLOWED TO SHARE PARKING IN THIS ISSUE. THAT'S THE WAY THE PEDESTRIAN. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE FOLLOWING. PROXIMITY. AND THEY MAY NOT NEED THOSE NUMBERS. RIGHT. BECAUSE IT'S IN AN URBAN AREA WITH TRANSIT. SO DOWN THE ROAD PARKING AGREEMENTS EXPIRE AND THEY'RE UNABLE TO SECURE ANOTHER ONE, WHAT HAPPENS? WE'D HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT AT THAT TIME. BUT HONESTLY LET ME TELL YOU. TRUST ME, I'M NOT GOING TO TALK ABOUT THEIR BEHIND THE SCENES, BUT THEY HAVE MORE GOING ON BEHIND THE SCENES TO MAKE SURE THAT DOESN'T HAPPEN. THEN EVEN I PROBABLY HAVE TO GET INTO. YEAH. AND THEN WE WOULD ALWAYS JUST GET A COPY OF IT, SO HOWEVER MANY 20 YEARS DOWN THE ROAD, A NEW ONE WOULD BE RECORDED. THEY MAY CHOOSE DIFFERENT SPACES OR DIFFERENT DECKS AS THEY COME ONLINE TOO, SO THESE ARE ONGOING AGREEMENTS THAT COULD CHANGE. BUT THEY STILL HAVE TO PROVE TO US THEY HAVE THE NUMBER OF PARKING THAT WE REQUIRE. QUESTION ON THE PARKING REQUIREMENT. SO THERE'S THE NUMBER OF SPACES PER ROOM. WHAT ABOUT THE RESTAURANT? IS THAT FACTORED IN, OR IS IT BECAUSE. SO WE ACTUALLY DO COUNT IT IN. I THINK YOU'RE ADDING SPACES ANYWAY TO ACCOUNT FOR THAT. BUT THAT'S PART OF YOUR SHARED PARKING ARRANGEMENT, WHICH IS ALSO ALLOWED IN THE SPECIAL PEDESTRIAN OVERLAY DISTRICT, SO. THE NUMBER THEY'RE ASKING FOR. IS CORRECT. YES. IT COMPLIES WITH THE CODE. ZONING HAS. HERE'S. YES. THIS IS THE FACTOR OKAY. TO DETERMINE HOW MANY SPACES ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE. YEAH. AND THEN THEY'RE ABLE TO SHARE AND USE OFF SITE SPACES BECAUSE THEY'RE IN THE SPECIAL PEDESTRIAN DISTRICT. BUT IN THIS CASE THEY'RE ASKING TO INCREASE THE NUMBER FROM 80% TO 92%. GOOD QUESTION. SO THE ELECTRIC CHARGE SPOTS FOR ELECTRIC CHARGING VEHICLE. IS THERE A LONG TERM PARTNER LONG ENOUGH TO CHARGE THE VEHICLE. IT'S ACTUALLY A REQUIREMENT TO HAVE ELECTRIC VEHICLE CHARGING STATIONS. SO IF YOU TAKE AWAY THE HANDICAP AND THE CHARGING SLOTS, YOU'VE GOT ONE, TWO, THREE, FOUR, FIVE PARKING SLOTS. THEN YOU INDICATED 12 OR SO SLOTS. THAT WOULD FIT ALONG, THAT FOLKS WOULD THE VALETS WOULD THEN QUEUE THEM UP AND TAKE THEM OUT. THAT'S MORE THAN THAT'S MORE THAN YOU OFTEN HAVE. SO I HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS JUST FROM A. EXCUSE ME. GIVE US A PICTURE OF. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK AT THE PICTURE, RIGHT? THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE THERE. SO WE'RE ADDING A CURB CUT, CORRECT? CORRECT. AND ELIMINATING ONE. OH. ELIMINATING ONE ON THE PROPERTY. OKAY. AND THAT'S A SINGLE, LIKE, SINGLE DRIVE WIDTH. IT'S NOT A DOUBLE DRIVE? SINGLE DRIVEWAY. OKAY. [00:15:04] AND IN CASE YOU ASSUME FROM A STREETSCAPE STANDPOINT, THEY'LL HAVE TO MEET ALL THE REQUIREMENTS FOR. YEP. ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, THE. YOU DON'T HAVE A LOT OF DOCUMENTS BECAUSE THIS WILL DECIDE IF THE PROJECT GETS BUILT. SO THEY STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH OUR FULL REVIEW. IF ANYTHING IS NOT MET AND NEEDS TO COME BACK, WE'D HAVE TO COME BACK. BUT THEY'RE PRETTY CONFIDENT RIGHT NOW THAT THEY CAN MEET ALL OF THOSE STANDARDS. THEY'RE AWARE OF THEM. WE'VE ACTUALLY MET WITH GEORGIA POWER THIS WEEK. PERFECT. LOOKING AT TAKING THOSE POWER LINES TO THE GROUND. YOU THREW A NUMBER OUT THERE. I'M SURE. OH YEAH. THE POWER POLE IS AT THE NORTH CORNER. YEAH, YEAH.SO YOU GOT SERVICES OFF THE ALLEY, IS THAT. DID I READ THAT RIGHT? THE LOADING SERVICE DUMPSTER AREA? YEAH. SO THE PROPERTY COMES AROUND AND WRAPS AROUND BEHIND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY THERE AT. THE PROPERTY JUST TO THE SOUTH LIKE THAT. THIS CORNER. YEAH. THAT'S PART OF MY PROPERTY. OKAY. THE PLAN ALSO SHOWS, WE THINK IS THE FUTURE ALIGNMENT WITH THE. CORRECT. SO THAT'S THE MIXED USE PROJECT COMING ON AT 720 AND 750 COMMERCE FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT. YES. SO ESSENTIALLY THAT WHOLE ROAD WILL BE IMPROVED AND UTILIZED IN A DIFFERENT MANNER THAN IT HAS BEEN FOR YEARS. PERMITTING IT, IT SHOULD JUST MOVE FORWARD. THIS IS A SAFE WALK TO SCHOOL ROUTE, AND SO AND SCHOOL CHILDREN WOULD BE CROSSING THAT DRIVEWAY AT CHECK IN TIME. SO BEING MINDFUL OF SCHOOL KIDS WALKING, WHICH ARE OFTEN, WELL, A LOT OF PEDESTRIANS ARE VERY AWARE OF WHERE THEY'RE WALKING ANYWAY. WE DON'T WANT. VALET DRIVERS ARE USUALLY MOVING PRETTY QUICKLY. SO THAT'S JUST, YOU KNOW. OKAY. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? THANK YOU, MICHAEL. THANK YOU. DON'T GO ANYWHERE. WE HAVE SOME MORE QUESTIONS FOR YOU. AT THIS POINT, WE'LL OPEN UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. SO ANYBODY IN THE ROOM WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK IN FAVOR, WE'LL START WITH IN FAVOR FIRST. OKAY. AND THEN OPPOSED? AGAIN, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS. GOOD EVENING. MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE]. I'M AN ATTORNEY. I AM REPRESENTING MR. [INAUDIBLE], WHO IS THE PROPERTY OWNER OF 613 AND 609 CHURCH STREET. CHURCH STREET STATION IS THE ACTUAL OWNER, AND HE'S REPRESENTING THE COMPANY. THERE ARE SEVERAL ISSUES THAT COME UP WITH THIS. FIRST OF ALL, IN LOOKING AT THE APPLICATION IT WAS NOTED THAT THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY ADDRESSING OR JUSTIFICATION WITH RESPECT TO THE FACTORS THAT ARE PRESENTED FOR AN EXCEPTION. THE APPLICANT HAS NOT ADDRESSED THE SUITABILITY OF THE PROPOSED EXCEPTION IN VIEW OF THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES AND NEARBY PROPERTIES. AND JUST LOOKING AT THE. I'VE GOT SOME PHOTOGRAPHS FOR THE AREA. WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE AND IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE DIFFERENCE. THE PROPERTIES ARE LARGELY ONE AND TWO STORY PROPERTIES. I'VE GOT TWO SETS OF A HANDFUL OF PICTURES. I DIDN'T DO THE ENTIRE SETUP FOR YOU, BUT IT'S A HANDFUL OF PICTURES OF THE AREA OF CHURCH STREET WHERE THE SUBJECT PROPERTY IS. AND AS YOU'LL NOTE, MOST OF THE PROPERTIES THERE ARE LIKE ONE ONE AND A HALF STORY BUSINESSES. THEY ARE THRIVING BUSINESSES. AND THE PRESENTATION OF A SIX STORY HOTEL THERE, IN AND OF ITSELF, IS COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER FOR THE USE OF THOSE FOR THAT AREA. [00:20:01] WHEN YOU ADDRESS THE FACT OF THE SUITABILITY OF THE PROPOSED EXCEPTION IN VIEW OF THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES, IT IS COMPLETELY DISCONTIGUOUS WITH THE REST OF THE AREA. THE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED EXCEPTION THAT WILL HAVE ON THE EXISTING USE OR UTILITY OF ADJACENT PROPERTIES. MR. [INAUDIBLE]´S PROPERTY IS DIRECTLY NEXT DOOR TO IT. THERE IS A SINGLE LANE SHARED DRIVEWAY BETWEEN THE TWO USES THAT ARE CURRENTLY THERE ON THAT PROPERTY, AND THAT THERE IS A PORTION OF THAT PROBABLY BELONGS TO ONE SIDE VERSUS THE OTHER. WE DON'T HAVE AN ACTUAL SURVEY YET FOR THAT PIECE. HISTORICALLY, BOTH SIDES HAVE SHARED THAT IN COMMON AS AN UNCOMMON INGRESS AND EGRESS FOR THE REAR PARKING LOT THAT GOES BEHIND MY CLIENT'S BUILDINGS. IF THIS WERE TO GO FORWARD, A PORTION OF THAT WOULD GO AWAY AND RENDER HIS DRIVEWAY, HIS ONLY ACCESS TO HIS PARKING LOT VIRTUALLY UNUSABLE. THAT IS A VIABLE BUSINESS THERE. SO THAT WOULD DAMAGE THE USE OF THAT PROPERTY FOR THE CURRENT BUSINESS THAT'S THERE. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER FACTORS THAT YOU ARE REQUIRED TO EVALUATE THE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED EXCEPTION ON THE PUBLIC SAFETY TRAFFIC, I BELIEVE THAT'S MORE OF AN ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED TO THE EXTENT OF THE CONCERN OF THE SCHOOL AND THE CHILDREN CROSSING IN AND OUT OF THE HEAVY TRAFFIC TIME, IF THIS HOTEL WERE TO BE PUT UP THE WAY IT IS. THE OTHER THING THAT WE ALWAYS LOOK AT WHEN WE LOOK AT EXCEPTIONS, WHEN WE LOOK AT ANYTHING WITH VARIANCES, IS WHETHER OR NOT THERE IS AN ADEQUATE AND APPROPRIATE USE FOR THE PROPERTY WITHOUT THE EXCEPTION. NOW, I KNOW THIS IS NOT A ZONING CHANGE. THIS IS A REQUEST FOR AN EXCEPTION, WHICH I DO THINK THERE IS SOME CONCERN THAT THIS BODY NEEDS TO LOOK AT WITH WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS AN APPROPRIATE PROCESS FOR THIS EXTENSION OF THE PARKING LOT, OFF SITE PARKING. BUT BEFORE I GET TO THAT, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE C-2 STRUCTURE OF YOUR ZONING ORDINANCE, THERE ARE GREAT MANY USES THAT THIS PROPERTY COULD BE PUT TO. EVEN A HOTEL, WITHOUT HAVING TO GRANT THAT KIND OF AN EXCEPTION. THE EXCEPTION IS NOT NECESSARY FOR THEM TO DO ANY KIND OF A VALUE BASED OR ECONOMICALLY THRIVING BUSINESS THERE. THE QUESTION THEN, AND OF COURSE, YOU FOLKS KNOW THIS BETTER THAN I DO, BUT YOU'RE UNDER THE DOWNTOWN DECATUR SPECIAL, EXCUSE ME, PEDESTRIAN AREA IN THAT SECTION. AND AMONG THE THINGS THAT I FOUND INTERESTING ABOUT THAT, AND I'VE WRITTEN OVERLAYS AND I'VE DONE OVERLAYS, I WAS PART OF THE TUCKER OVERLAY WHEN THAT WAS PUT IN PRIOR TO THE CITY OF TUCKER BEING MADE. AND WHEN WE STRUCTURED SOME OF THESE UNIQUE AREAS, THERE WERE ALWAYS ISSUES THAT WE WERE TRYING TO FIX. AND AMONG THEM, OF COURSE, IN A PEDESTRIAN AREA, IS TO MAKE IT FRIENDLY FOR PEOPLE TO CROSS, FRIENDLY FOR INGRESS AND EGRESS. IF YOU'RE HAVING VALET PARKING, WHICH, BY THE WAY, IS NOT SOMETHING YOU CAN HOLD THEM TO IF THEY DECIDE NOT TO HAVE A VALET PARKING BECAUSE THAT'S PART OF THE BUSINESS MODEL. IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN PUT AS A CONDITION ON AN EXCEPTION, BUT VALET PARKING CAN IN AND OF ITSELF CREATE MORE HAZARDS, ESPECIALLY IF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT A PEDESTRIAN AREA AND IF THERE'S NOT APPROPRIATE SIGNALIZATION, IF THERE'S NOT APPROPRIATE WARNING STRUCTURES FOR THE PEDESTRIANS, THAT CAN CREATE A DANGEROUS CIRCUMSTANCE. YOU'VE ALSO GOT THE PROBLEM OF BACKING UP TRAFFIC IN AND AROUND CHURCH STREET, WHICH IS A RELATIVELY CLOGGED STREET TO BEGIN WITH. YOU'RE COMING IN FROM TWO LANES AND YOU'RE EXPANDING INTO 3 OR 4 LANES, DEPENDING UPON WHERE YOU ARE, AS YOU APPROACH THE INTERSECTION OF COMMERCE. THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PROBLEM, BECAUSE THE LENGTH OF THOSE LANES IS NOT VERY LONG AND PEOPLE ARE CONSTANTLY JUMPING TRAFFIC. SO IF YOU PUT MORE OF AN INCREASE OF EGRESS CARS COMING FROM THE MOTEL OR HOTEL AND VALET PARKING AND MOVING CARS AROUND IN THAT STRUCTURE, THEN YOU ARE CREATING MORE OF A PUBLIC SAFETY HAZARD THAN YOU WOULD WITH A TRADITIONAL BUSINESS THAT'S UNDER C2. NOT THAT HOTEL ISN'T A TRADITIONAL BUSINESS, BUT I DO WANT TO DRAW YOUR ATTENTION TO A COUPLE OF ASPECTS OF THE ORDINANCE THAT HAVE BEEN CITED TO IN THE PETITION ON 7.1, AND YOUR PARKING AREA AT 7.1.5 E 2 B. NONRESIDENTIAL USES MAY PROVIDE UP TO 70% OF THEIR REQUIRED PARKING OFF SITE. NO NOTATION THERE IS AN EXCEPTION CAN BE MADE. THERE MAY BE PRESIDENTIAL. YOU MAY HAVE MADE EXCEPTIONS TO THAT BEFORE FOR OTHER PROPERTIES, BUT THAT PORTION OF THE CODE DOES NOT ALLOW FOR IT. WHEN YOU GO FOR YOUR SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS ON YOUR PROCEDURES ON 11 .2.4, AND THAT IS SPECIFICALLY CITED TO IN THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST. [00:25:02] HOWEVER, THERE'S NOTHING THERE THAT SUGGESTS THAT YOU CAN INCREASE THE OFF SITE PARKING THROUGH A SPECIAL EXCEPTION. NOTHING IN THIS WHOLE SECTION. THE ONLY POTENTIAL REFERENCE WOULD BE A6, WHICH HAS EXCEPTIONS TO THE MINIMUM LOT SIZE AND MINIMUM OFF STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS FOR DOWNTOWN MULTI DWELLINGS, SUBJECT TO SUCH CONDITIONS. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT MENTIONS ANYTHING ABOUT CHANGING OR DEPARTING FROM DECATUR. SO I WOULD SUGGEST WHAT THE REQUEST IS REALLY A WAY TO GET AROUND A MORE FORMAL PROCESS WITH REGARD TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS AND VARIANCE REQUESTS. I'M NOT GOING TO GO INTO WHAT THAT WOULD ENTAIL, BECAUSE PROCEDURALLY, THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. BUT THE REALITY IS THIS PROPERTY CAN BE ECONOMICALLY DEVELOPED WITH A HOTEL, WITHOUT THIS EXCEPTION BEING PASSED, THIS EXCEPTION CREATES A BURDEN FOR THE PROPERTIES ABOVE IT. IT'S OUT OF CONTEXT AND OUT OF CONSISTENCY WITH ANYTHING ELSE AROUND IT. AND I DON'T THINK THE WAY THE ORDINANCE IS WRITTEN, THIS PROCESS CAN BE DONE HERE WITH THIS KIND OF AN APPLICATION. THE ONLY EXCEPTION THAT I SAW AT THE END. AND I WILL READ THAT TO YOU OF. EXCUSE ME. IN THE 11.2 IT SAYS ANY OTHER SPECIAL EXCEPTIONS, WHICH GIVES YOU SOME BROAD AUTHORITY THERE AND DISCRETION SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED WITHIN YOUR UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE. THIS ISN'T SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED. I WOULD REQUEST YOU RECOMMEND THAT THIS BE DENIED, OR ALLOW THE APPLICANT TO WITHDRAW THE APPLICATION AND RESUBMIT THE APPLICATION UNDER THE APPROPRIATE PROCESS, AND ALSO MAKE CONTACT WITH ABUTTING PROPERTY OWNERS. NOBODY HAD SPOKEN TO MY CLIENT PRIOR TO THIS BEING FILED UNTIL HE BECAME AWARE OF IT LAST WEEK FROM A CALL FROM A REAL ESTATE AGENT. SO THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE APPLICATION THERE. I THINK THERE ARE PROBLEMS WITH THE PROCESS UNDER YOUR ORDINANCE. THERE'S ALSO A PROBLEM WITH THE CONCEPT AND THE CONCEPT IN AND OF ITSELF, WHICH IS MOSTLY WHAT YOU FOLKS ARE LOOKING AT BECAUSE YOU'RE MORE DEVELOPMENT ORIENTED THAN YOUR LAW ORIENTED. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH THE CONCEPT ITSELF DOES NEGATIVELY IMPACT A BUSINESS DIRECTLY BESIDE ABUTTING THIS SUBJECT PROPERTY, AND THAT IS A FACTOR THAT YOU CAN'T IGNORE. AND THAT SHOULD BE ENOUGH FOR THIS TO BE ENOUGH. THANK YOU. ANYONE ELSE? YES. I'M [INAUDIBLE], MANAGING PRINCIPAL CHURCH STREET STATION. ADDRESS 2897 NORTH DRUID HILLS, SUITE 4, ATLANTA 30329. WHEN I REVIEWED THE MATERIAL, WHICH, BY THE WAY, WAS VERY DIFFICULT TO GET FROM THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I WENT OVER THERE LAST WEEK AND THEY SAID IT WOULD BE PLACED ONLINE LATER. IT WAS THIS LATE IN THE GAME. IT WAS NOT AVAILABLE TO A MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WALKING IN WHICH I FIND TO BE OBJECTIONABLE AND NOT VERY TRANSPARENT. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, WHEN YOU LOOK AT IT, THEIR RENDERINGS TALK ABOUT A CURB CUT THAT DOESN'T EXIST, WHICH IS ABOUT 15FT FROM THE EXISTING CURB CUT, WITHOUT ANY INFORMATION TO SUPPORT HOW THEY'RE GOING TO PUT A NEW CURB CUT IN AND ABANDON THE ONE THAT WE OWN, HALF OF THAT PROVIDES THE ONE LANE ACCESS INTO OUR BUILDING. THERE'S NOTHING IN THEIR PACKAGE THAT ADDRESSES THAT WHATSOEVER. THEIR REAL ESTATE AGENT CALLED ME A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO AND SAID, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE DONE WITH OUR PROJECT, YOU'RE NO LONGER GOING TO BE ABLE TO REDEVELOP YOUR SITE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT BETTER PROOF THAT IS THAT NOT ONLY DO THEY KNOW IT'S GOING TO BE AN ADVERSE EFFECT, THEY'RE TRYING TO CAUSE AN ADVERSE EFFECT AND SEEM TO BE TAKING SOME PRIDE. AND I THINK THAT'S INAPPROPRIATE. SHIFTING A CURB CUT WITHOUT TALKING TO US. THEY KNOW THAT THERE IS A RECORDED JOINT DRIVEWAY AGREEMENT, AND THEY'VE NOT DONE ANYTHING TO ADDRESS THAT. AND IN THIS MATERIAL, THE GENTLEMAN WHO PRESENTED PUT INTO WRITING THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ADVERSE EFFECT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY, WHICH IS SOMEWHERE BETWEEN DISINGENUOUS AND AN OUTRIGHT LIE AND NO TRANSPARENCY, NO DISCUSSION WITH US WHATSOEVER. THERE WILL CLEARLY BE ADVERSE EFFECTS. THEY'RE PLANNING TO CUT DOWN AND STOP OUR ACCESS TO THE BUILDING THROUGH THE ONLY EXISTING DRIVEWAY THAT GOES INTO IT, AND ERECT CONCRETE CURBING THAT WOULD DISALLOW OUR VEHICLES TO EXIT TO THE REAR, WHICH HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR DECADES THERE. I THINK THIS IS A SHAM. I THINK IT'S A MISUSE. I THINK IT'S A MISREPRESENTATION. HOW YOU SAY YOU'RE GOING TO PUT A CURB CUT IN WITHOUT GETTING APPROVAL FOR THAT, [00:30:07] AND ADDRESSING THE FACT THAT THERE'S GOING TO BE A LOSS OF ANOTHER CURB CUT IN A HIGH TRAFFIC AREA. YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING REALLY ABOUT THIS PACKAGE THAT MAKES SENSE. IT CLEARLY WILL CAUSE ADVERSE EFFECTS FROM US. I'VE TALKED TO THE VETERINARY CLINIC. THEY HAVE MISGIVINGS ABOUT IT. THEY DIDN'T KNOW ABOUT IT EITHER. BUT WE'VE ALREADY HAD THE SITUATION WITH THE PRIOR USE OF THIS BUILDING WITH PEOPLE USING OUR PARKING. AND IF YOU'VE GOT, AS YOU ALL HAVE MENTIONED, VALET, THAT MAY STACK UP WHERE SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT A VALET. IT'S GOING TO PUT ME IN THE POSITION OF HAVING TO POLICE PEOPLE FROM NOT PARKING ON MY PROPERTY. AND THAT'S NOT APPROPRIATE. SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWABLE. AND THE SAME THING FOR THE VETERINARY CLINIC. THAT'S A CLEAR BURDEN AND EXTRA EXPENSE TO US. AND I WOULD SUBMIT TO YOU ALL THERE IS NOTHING ABOUT THIS PROPOSAL, NOTHING THAT MAKES SENSE. IT'S INCONSISTENT. IT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE FACT THAT THEIR SITE CAN BE ECONOMICALLY REDEVELOPED WITHOUT THIS TYPE OF EXCEPTION, WITHOUT NEW CURB CUTS THAT HURT US AND HURT OTHER PEOPLE. THERE'S NOTHING ABOUT THIS THAT IS GOOD. IT'S NOT GOOD FOR THE CITY OF DECATUR. OUR LEASING AGENT, [INAUDIBLE], WHO I THINK YOU ALL KNOW WITH ADAMS COMMERCIAL, IS GOING TO PUT SOMETHING IN WRITING BEFORE NEXT MONDAY. BUT HE'S TELLING ME THIS CREATES A REAL LEASING PROBLEM FOR US. WE'RE ENTITLED TO BE ABLE TO USE OUR PROPERTY WITHOUT BEING INTERFERED WITH A MISCONCEIVED CONCEPT THAT DOESN'T BEGIN TO ADDRESS THE LAW. IT DOESN'T BEGIN TO ADDRESS THE EFFECT ON NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, THE FACT THEY'VE NEVER COME TO US OTHER THAN TRYING TO TELL US THAT THEY WANTED TO BUY THE PROPERTY FOR PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR IN ORDER TO HAVE ENOUGH LAND TO CARRY OUT THEIR DEVELOPMENT PLANS, THEY'VE DONE NOTHING. IT'S BEEN SECRETIVE. IT'S BEEN LESS THAN TRANSPARENT. AND WHEN YOU PUT INTO SOMETHING SUBMITTED TO YOU, ALL THAT SAID, THERE'D THERE BE NO ADVERSE EFFECT TO ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS WITHOUT TALKING TO THEM? THAT'S JUST DISHONESTY AT ITS BEST. AND I THINK THAT THIS COMMISSION OR COMMITTEE SHOULD DENY THIS SPECIAL EXCEPTION FOR EVERYTHING THAT MR. [INAUDIBLE] SAID AND A WHOLE HOST OF REASONS, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. PLEASE. HI. MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE]. I LIVE AT 1017 CLAREMONT AVENUE. I HAVE TWO CONCERNS ABOUT THIS DEVELOPMENT. AS SOMEONE WHO SPENDS A LOT OF TIME IN THE PEDESTRIAN LANE OF OUR BEAUTIFUL, COMPLETE CHURCH STREET, I DO WONDER ABOUT HAVING A BIG NEW NEIGHBOR THAT HAS THEIR FRONT DOOR AND WELCOME MAT SIX STORIES UP. THAT JUST DOESN'T FEEL LIKE A PEDESTRIAN THING TO ME. BE. THE SECOND CONCERN IS SOMEONE THAT SPENDS A LOT OF TIME AT THE DECATUR CEMETERY AS A VOLUNTEER FOR FRIENDS OF DECATUR CEMETERY. I WORRY ABOUT THOSE 98 VEHICLES COMING TO PARK AT THE CEMETERY. WE HAVE THE ONE ENTRANCE IN FOR CARS AT BELL STREET. THE DECATUR CEMETERY IS THE MOST VISITED PARK OR RECREATION FACILITY IN THE CITY. IT IS AN ACTIVE CEMETERY WITH NEW BURIALS AND THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF VISITS FROM FAMILY MEMBERS AND LOVED ONES FROM BOTH NEAR AND FAR. AND NOBODY SHUTS THE GATE ANYMORE. SO IT'S JUST SORT OF SITTING THERE WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO PULL IN. SO IT MAKES ME NERVOUS. AND I DIDN'T HAVE THE COPIES OF STUFF Y'ALL HAD THAT IN THE STAFF REPORT. I DIDN'T SEE SOME PROTECTIONS FOR THE CEMETERY. SO. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. MICHAEL, YOU HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO ADDRESS SOME OF THE COMMENTS MADE. OKAY. MY CLIENT IS HERE TOO. HE HAS SOME SPECIFIC ITEMS. CAN HE ALSO SPEAK? ABSOLUTELY. YEAH. OKAY, I'LL SPEAK JUST TO THE FUNCTIONAL ASPECTS FIRST. NUMBER ONE, THE SHARED DRIVE WITH THE EASEMENT IS NOT GOING ANYWHERE. IT'S BEING MAINTAINED. WHAT WE´RE GOING TO DO IS DEMOLISH THAT BUILDING AND REINFORCE THE CONCRETE WALL THAT SUPPORTS THAT EXISTING SHARED DRIVEWAY. WE WON'T USE IT AT ALL BECAUSE IT'S ON A DIFFERENT GRADE THAN OUR SITE. OUR SITE IS LOWER THAN THAT DRIVE. AND THAT'S WHAT KIND OF IS THE HATCHED AREA THAT'S SHOWN ON THE SITE PLAN. IS THAT WHAT IS REPRESENTED THERE? THAT'S WHAT I FIGURED IT WAS, BUT. YEAH, THAT IS A SHARED EASEMENT. THERE'S A PROPERTY LINE EASEMENT LINE GOING RIGHT DOWN THE CENTER OF IT. WE'RE BASICALLY JUST WRITING THAT PIECE OF THE PROPERTY OFF. NOT GOING TO USE IT. THAT DRIVE WILL STAY AS IS. WE WILL REINFORCE THE OLD STONE WALL THAT ACTUALLY SUPPORTS THAT. WHEN WE TAKE DOWN THE RIGHT NOW, THE EXISTING BUILDING ON THE SUBJECT PROPERTY, IT'S WALL IS THE RETAINING WALL FOR THAT DRIVE, RIGHT. SO WE'LL HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO DO THERE THEIR TO MAKE THAT WORK. WITH THE LANDSCAPING THAT'S NOTED ON HERE. IS THERE STILL ENOUGH SPACE TO TURN IN AND OUT OF THE PARKING SPACES THAT ARE BEHIND THERE? [00:35:06] WHERE ARE YOU TALKING? I'M LOOKING AT THE LANDSCAPING COMING THROUGH HERE. SO THE DRIVEWAY MAINTAIN IS MAINTAINED UP TO THE FIRST PARKING SPACE. IS THERE STILL ROOM TO GET LOST? IT'S NO CHANGE TO WHAT'S ALREADY THERE. THAT LINE BEYOND THE HAZARD. THAT'S THE PROPERTY LINE BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES. SO THIS IS THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT HERE. THAT IS THE PROPERTY LINE RIGHT THERE. CORRECT. IS THERE ANY CONSIDERATION FOR, YOU KNOW, OR SO YOU'LL HAVE TWO CURB CUTS OSTENSIBLY WITHIN, YOU KNOW, 28FT OF ONE ANOTHER. IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CONTEMPLATES HOW THAT WOULD WORK IN REALITY. LIKE WOULD THERE BE A. WOULD YOU PROPOSE TO TUCK IN SOONER SO THAT IT WAS SORT OF HANDLED IN AN ORGANIZED FASHION. IT'S I MEAN, IT'S A LITTLE UNCLEAR. IT'S I GET YOU'RE JUST LEAVING IT KIND OF AS IS, BUT IS. YEAH. WE'VE BEEN TALKING WITH THE PLANNING ON WHAT THE FINAL. YEAH. THEY DID THAT BIG RENOVATION ALONG THE SIDEWALKS. IT KIND OF STOPPED IN FRONT OF OUR PROPERTY. SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE KNOWS WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT. WE'RE ON BOARD TO HELP WITH WHATEVER'S GOING TO HAPPEN NEXT TO MAKE IT WORK. AND THEN FROM. THAT WALL THAT SUPPORTS THE DRIVE, THAT SHARED DRIVE, YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO REBUILD IT, OBVIOUSLY, BECAUSE IT BASICALLY IT'S PART OF YOUR BUILDING RIGHT NOW. YEAH. WE WON'T JUST KNOCK DOWN THE BUILDING AND LEAVE THAT THERE. WE WILL CLEAN IT UP AND MAKE IT BRING IT UP TO CODE. PROBABLY NEEDS A RAILING ACROSS THE TOP BECAUSE IT'S IT'S ABOUT A SIX FOOT DROP IT TOWARDS THE BACK SIDE. OKAY. AND THEN ON THE OPPOSITE PROPERTY LINE NEXT TO THE VET'S OFFICE IS WHERE THE CURB CUT IS THAT WE ARE ABANDONING. SO THERE WILL NOT BE ONE RIGHT NEXT TO THAT ONE ANYMORE. IT'S GOING AWAY. OUR JOB WHEN WE GET THESE SITES IS JUST TO WORK IT OUT FUNCTIONALLY AND ECONOMICALLY TO MAKE IT WORK. SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ONLY ASKING FOR JUST A HANDFUL OF SPACES. IF WE CAN WORK OUT THOSE ADDITIONAL SPACES HERE, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE THIS EVENING. IS THERE A BUILDING? HEIGHT CAN BE UP TO 80FT PER OUR ZONING THAT WE'RE IN. I MEAN, WE'RE FOLLOWING ALL THE RULES WITHIN HERE AND WHAT'S ALLOWED TO BE DONE FOR THE ZONING. IS THERE A MECHANISM TO ALLOW THE TWO ADJACENT PROPERTIES. THAT YOU HAVE THE SHARED DRIVEWAY WITH RIGHT NOW TO HAVE A EGRESS ONTO HUNTER ALLEY, BECAUSE RIGHT NOW I BELIEVE THEY CAN EGRESS OUT INTO HUNTER ALLEY. I LIKE THE IDEA OF SORT OF THIS ONE WAY OFF THE CHURCH. THEN YOU GO BACK OUT ON HUNTER ALLEY. YEAH, YEAH, THEY CAN DRIVE ACROSS THAT. AND RIGHT NOW YOU'VE GOT THAT DUMPSTER. I'M JUST WONDERING, COULD YOU FORESEE CREATING IT AGAIN? I GUESS AN EASEMENT ACROSS THE PROPERTY, BUT WOULD ALLOW FOR IT TO DRIVE SOME SOME MECHANISM WHERE THEY COULD THEY CAN GET OUT BY GOING OUT HUNTER ALLEY. I DON'T OWN THE LAND, SO I CAN'T SPEAK TO THAT. OKAY. BUT IT LOOKS LIKE A FEASIBLE THING TO ME. YEAH, BUT ASKING SORT OF TO THE. OKAY. JUST DUMBING IT DOWN IF THERE IS NO CHANGE TO THE CURB CUT ENTRY, THERE IS NO ADVERSE EFFECT IN THAT RESPECT. IF THEY CURRENTLY HAVE SORT OF SEMI GRANDFATHERED ACCESS TO HUNTER AS A, AS AN EXITING MECHANISM. YEAH. I GUESS THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE ASKING IS COULD THAT BE SOLVED SO THAT IMPPACT IS MITIGATED TO THEIR PROPERTY. THEY COULD EXIT OUT THE BACK. WHAT YOU'RE ASKING. YEAH. EXIT OUT THE BACK LIKE THEY DO RIGHT NOW. AND I THINK THE COUPLE POINTS IT MINIMUM, IT REDUCES SOME OF THE IMPACT TO THE PROPERTY. IT ALSO ENHANCES PEDESTRIAN SAFETY ON CHURCH STREET BECAUSE NOW LIKELIHOOD YOU'LL HAVE LESS CARS COMING OUT THAT DRIVEWAY BECAUSE THEY CAN JUST AS EASILY, ALMOST MORE EASILY GO OUT HUNTER ALLEY AND MAKE A DOUBLE RIGHT, YOU KNOW, VERSUS TRYING TO WORK OUT ON THE CHURCH. IS THE IS THE EXISTING EASEMENT DRIVE AT CURRENTLY A ONE WAY DRIVE IN RIGHT NOW? SO RIGHT THE WAY IT WORKS NOW WITH THE WIDTH THAT IT ALL FUNCTIONS, I MAY I MAY ADDRESS THAT. YEAH. IT'S FOR YEARS THAT'S BEEN THE ONLY WAY OUT. AND EVEN IF YOU ALLOW THAT, THAT DOESN'T ADDRESS THE FACT THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE PEOPLE FROM THE HOTEL TRYING TO PARK ON MY PROPERTY, WHICH THEY ALREADY DO. YEAH. BUT THAT'S A, THAT'S, THAT'S THAT'S AN ADVERSE EFFECT TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY. OKAY. KEEP GOING. WELL, I THINK I WAS JUST SPEAKING TO AS FAR AS THE PARAMETERS FOR THE SITE, I MEAN, DECATUR HAS ITS OWN TO THE CENTRAL BUSINESS DISTRICT, SO WE ARE WELL BELOW THE 80 FOOT HEIGHT THAT WE COULD GO. [00:40:03] ZONING FOR THIS AREA IS 80 FOOT TO THE TOP OF YOUR ROOFDECK FOR AT LEAST TEN FEET BELOW THAT. WE COULD DO SEVEN STORIES IF WE REALLY DESIRE TO, AND WE COULD BUILD A PARKING DECK ON SITE TO PARK THESE CARS. BUT WE THINK IT'S BETTER TO LIMIT IT TO SIX FEET AND ASK FOR SOME ADDITIONAL SPACES PARKED OFF SITE SO THERE'S NOT AS MANY CARS HERE. FEEL VERY COMFORTABLE WITH. I NEVER HAVE, YOU KNOW, STACKING FOR 16 CARS. ON MY SITE IF I WERE TO BACK UP. WE DO HAVE THAT ALONG THAT LANE. IF THERE WERE AN EXTREMELY BUSY TIME AND ALL THE DECKS ARE VERY CLOSE BY, EVEN WITH THE VALET, THEY'LL BE ABLE TO SHUTTLE FAIRLY QUICKLY. AND I GUESS WITH ME HERE TOO, HE HAS SOME COMMENTS CONCERNING COMMUNICATIONS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. GOOD AFTERNOON. MY NAME IS [INAUDIBLE], REPRESENTING THE DEVELOPER HERE TODAY. JUST WANTED TO QUICKLY INTRODUCE. GEORGIA 30318. SO WE´RE A COMPANY BEEN WHO HAS BEEN IN BUSINESS FOR 30 PLUS YEARS. AND WE ARE LONG TERM OWNERS. WE DON'T COME INTO A CITY AND DEVELOP AND EXIT. AND WE CAN DO THAT BECAUSE OF HOW OUR EQUITY AND DEBT IS STRUCTURED. AND YOU KNOW, KC, I KNOW YOU MENTIONED THE 20 YEAR AGREEMENT. WILL WE BAKE IN A COUPLE, YOU KNOW, PARKING EXTENSION OPTIONS IN THERE? BUT THAT'S GOING TO BE OUR PROBLEM TO SOLVE WHEN IT ARISES. RIGHT. WHEN WE GO INTO A COMMUNITY, IT'S ALL ABOUT GIVING BACK TO THE COMMUNITY, THE JOBS WE WILL BE CREATING. AND AGAIN, WE ARE THERE FOR LONG TERM. EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON WITH THE OMNI REDEVELOPMENT. YOU KNOW, WE WE SAW AN OPPORTUNITY TO COME IN WITH AN AC FLAG. THEY DON'T JUST HAND OUT AC FLAGS TO ANYONE OR ANY DEVELOPER. THERE'S ONLY TWO AC´S IN ATLANTA. ONE'S IN BUCKHEAD AND THEN THE OTHER ONE IS IN MIDTOWN. AND WE PRESENTED THEM THE OPPORTUNITY FOR DECATUR TO COME IN AND YOU KNOW, ALLOW US TO DEVELOP THIS PRODUCT HERE. WE SAW THE NEED BECAUSE OF THE CONSUMER, AND THE PRICE POINTS FOR THE RENTS ARE MUCH HIGHER. SO THE CONSUMER THAT'S COMING IN, IT'S EXECUTIVES FROM EMORY AND OF THE LIKE, TRAVELING NURSES, FAMILIES VISITING CITY OF DECATUR AND YOU KNOW, CONSUMERS THAT ARE LIKE. SO JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS. I DIDN'T EXPECT TO BE UP HERE. I'VE BEEN TRAVELING. A COUPLE COMMENTS. THERE'S BEEN SOME TITLE ISSUES WITH THE PROPERTY TO THE SOUTH. I'VE PERSONALLY REACHED OUT TO HIM TO SOLVE THE TITLE ISSUES. AND IF THEY DON'T GET SOLVED, FINE. WE'RE NOT, YOU KNOW, USING THE SHARED DRIVEWAY. WE'RE DEVELOPING AROUND THE SHARED DRIVEWAY. AND SO WE'RE ESSENTIALLY WORKING AROUND HIS PROPERTY, AND I HAD MY REAL ESTATE AGENT REACH OUT A COUPLE WEEKS AGO TO SEE IF HE WOULD SELL THE PROPERTY. WE DIDN'T OFFER A PRICE, SO I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PENNIES ON THE DOLLAR OFFER CAME IN FROM. AND SOMETHING ELSE WAS MENTIONED ABOUT HIS PROPERTY NOT BEING ABLE TO BE REDEVELOPED. MY REAL ESTATE AGENT WOULDN'T DO THAT. HE'S ACTUALLY FROM DECATUR. AND FROM EVERY TIME I'VE PASSED THROUGH THAT RETAIL BUILDING. I MEAN, IT'S BEEN SITTING VACANT, YOU KNOW, A PRODUCT LIKE AN AC COMING RIGHT NEXT DOOR TO YOU SHOULD BRING IN A HIGH QUALITY TENANT. NOT JUST, YOU KNOW, ADJACENT TO US, BUT THE WHOLE CITY ITSELF. SO THAT WHOLE, YOU KNOW, AREA IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO REDEVELOP. WE'VE ACTUALLY SPENT ABOUT THREE AND A HALF YEARS TRYING TO IDENTIFY A SITE IN DOWNTOWN DECATUR. WE WENT CLOSE TO CITY OF AVONDALE FOUND A COUPLE SITES, BUT IT JUST WASN'T THE RIGHT LOCATION. BUT WE LIKE TO OFFER OUR CONSUMER IS THE ABILITY TO USE TO HAVE THAT ABILITY TO, YOU KNOW, WALK THE WALKABILITY FROM OUR HOTEL AS WELL. AND THEN THE ONLY RESIDENTS, I BELIEVE IT'S 350 UNITS, RIGHT? THOSE RESIDENTS ARE GOING TO BE ABLE TO LEVERAGE OUR ROOFTOP KITCHEN WITHOUT DRIVING ANYWHERE AND BAR AND THOSE AMENITIES THAT THE HOTEL HAS TO OFFER, AND HOUSE THEIR FAMILIES AS WELL. SO I THINK THAT'S ALL I GOT. SORRY. I WASN'T MUCH MORE PREPARED. DIDN'T KNOW I WAS GOING TO BE UP HERE. BUT AGAIN, THIS, YOU KNOW, THIS PRODUCT IS, IS REALLY GOING TO IMPACT NOT JUST, [00:45:04] YOU KNOW, THE COMMUNITY AND THE CITY OF DECATUR, BUT THE FUTURE YOU KNOW, TO COME. AND IT COULD CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, DEVELOP AND GO VERTICAL. THAT DOESN'T DO ANYONE GOOD. WE WERE ACTUALLY AT SEVEN, AS MIKE ALLUDED TO, SAW THE NEED TO GO TO SIX STORIES. AND WE CAN ACCOMPLISH WHAT WE NEED TO AND MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD FROM THAT STANDPOINT. SO WHILE I'M UP HERE, I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS. ARE YOU THE ONE WHO COULD TALK ABOUT WHETHER YOU COULD PROVIDE AN EGRESS OUT FOR THE ADJACENT PROPERTIES ON THE HUNTER ALLEY, BECAUSE IT WOULD GO ACROSS YOUR PROPERTY. I MEAN, IT WOULD BECOME AN EASEMENT, MUCH LIKE. IT LOOKS LIKE OKAY. YEAH. I MEAN, I HAVEN'T BEEN BACK THERE IN A WHILE, BUT THAT'S WHAT IT APPEARS. OKAY, I GUESS THAT IS ALSO OKAY. GOT ABOUT A THREE FOOT GRADE DIFFERENCE THERE. OKAY, I SEE THAT NOW. YEAH. I'M JUST GOING TO DO. SO WE HAVE THE SURVEY AND I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD HAVE TO GRANT. WE ARE HERE TO PUSH THIS PROJECT ALONG AND HELP ANYONE, EVEN THOUGH THE PROPERTY OWNER TO THE SOUTH HAS NOT BEEN WILLING TO WORK WITH US ON THOSE VITAL ISSUES. WE'RE HAPPY TO EXPLORE THE IDEA. YOU KNOW, WE'LL TAKE IT BACK TO THE TEAM AND SEE WHAT WE CAN DO. AND IF I COULD ADDRESS YOUR FACTUAL QUESTION. NO, IT IS NOT USED AS AN EXIT. OH, OKAY. MAY I MAKE ANOTHER COMMENT? YEAH. I'M LOOKING AT THE ALIGNMENT. IS THERE ANY FIRM PLANS ON THAT AS TO WHERE THAT COULD GO? IT SEEMS LIKE BUT THE GOAL WOULD BE THAT THEY WOULD MATCH UP ACCORDINGLY. SO IF YOU WANTED ONE INTERSECTION, NOT TWO. CORRECT. THEY WOULD HAVE TO. WHOEVER GETS THERE FIRST, I GUESS, SETS THE LOCATION. THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WHAT I USED WAS VERY OLD. YOU CAN CALL ME. RECORDS. BUT THEY ARE IN THERE. JUST NOT THROUGH THAT LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT PROCESS. SO THEY'RE STILL BEING REVIEWED. BUT YES, ENGINEERING WILL MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING MATCHES UP AS ANY DEVELOPMENTS COME ALONG. THIS ISN'T JUST FOR THIS SITE. WE DO IT ALL OVER. THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS YOU MENTIONED THE FACT THAT THAT'S ONE OF THE ONLY PARTS OF THE CHURCH STREET CHURCH IS NOT A PROTECTED CYCLE TRACK. IF THE CITY WERE TO PROPOSE TRYING TO MAKE THAT INTO A PROTECTED, BECAUSE MY CONCERN WOULD BE, OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SYNTHETIC TRAFFIC. THE SPACE IS OUT THERE FOR IT. SOMEONE JUST HAS TO GO. WELL, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE A CURB BOWEL. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE OKAY? YEAH. SO WE WOULD HANDLE THAT UNDER THE LAND DISTURBANCE PROCESS. SO SIMILAR SITUATION IS ON SWANTON. THEY'RE LOOKING AT HOW THAT ACTUALLY GETS DESIGNED. SO WE ACTUALLY HAVE A TRANSPORTATION ON THE ENGINEERING TEAM THAT WOULD DETERMINE HOW THE ACTUAL RIGHT OF WAY AND CURB CUTS NEED TO BE DESIGNED. WITH A BUNCH MORE PEOPLE. SURE. UP AT LEAST THE LENGTH OF OUR PROPERTY LINE. I DIDN'T ASK TRANSPORTATION OR ENGINEERING THAT QUESTION SPECIFICALLY, SO BUT THEY WOULD REVIEW EVERYTHING AND THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO CONTINUE WHATEVER IS FOUND. THEY'D ALSO BE REQUIRED TO SUBMIT THEIR TRAFFIC STUDY. AND I KNOW WE JUST SIMPLY CALLED A TRAFFIC STUDY, BUT IT IS A TRUE MULTI MODAL TRAFFIC ANALYSIS. SO THEY WILL HAVE TO ACTUALLY LOOK AT ALL OF THOSE SCENARIOS. AND VALET WILL BE HANDLED BY PMC, WHO'S A NATIONAL VALET COMPANY, AND THEY DO THIS FOR A LIVING. SO THE STAFF ON SITE AT PEAK DEMANDS, THEY WILL ALL BE THERE. EVEN IF THERE'S CALL OUTS, THEY HAVE A WHOLE TEAM TO SUPPORT. THEY WORK EMORY UNIVERSITY AS WELL, AND I'M NOT SURE WHO THE OTHER HOTELS USE. AND THERE OUR TWO OPTIONS FOR PARKING OFF SITE, ONE OF THEM IS BAPTIST CHURCH. [00:50:01] AND SO WE'RE GOING TO SEE HOW WE CAN SPUR ADDITIONAL REVENUE FOR THOSE GUYS. AND THEN THE OTHER OPTION AS WELL. SO WE'RE EXPLORING BOTH OPTIONS. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. CLOSE IT FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. AND NOW WE GET TO CHAT AMONGST OURSELVES. ANY THOUGHTS YOU'D LIKE TO SHARE? I WOULD SAY THAT, IN MY VIEW AT LEAST, THERE'S ACTUAL ADVERSE IMPACT. THAT'S A QUESTION RELATIVE TO THE DRIVEWAY AND THE ABILITY TO EGRESS THE PROPERTY TO THE REAR TO, YOU KNOW, TO EXIT IT. IF IN FACT, THAT IS WHAT'S CURRENTLY BEING DONE. I IMAGINE THAT DRIVE IS NOT SOMETHING YOU REALLY WANT TO. THE EXISTING DRIVE IS SOMETHING YOU WANT TO INSTITUTIONALIZE AS A MUST BE TWO WAY EXIT KIND OF SITUATION, BECAUSE THAT WOULD CREATE PROBABLY A SAFETY HAZARD IN THAT IN THAT AREA. THAT'S TO ME VERY DIFFERENT THAN FORECASTING THAT THERE COULD BE SOMEBODY PARKING ON MY PROPERTY OR SOMETHING DIFFERENT LIKE THAT. THAT'S THE NATURE OF DEVELOPMENT. SOMETIMES THINGS CHANGE AND SINCE THIS IS WITHIN THE KEEPING OF ZONE OF THE ZONING INTENT AND WHAT DECATUR IS TRYING TO ENCOURAGE IN BROAD BRUSH TERMS FOR A C-2 AREA, I FEEL LIKE THOSE ARE KIND OF SEPARATE COMMENTS TO TALK ABOUT. I DID HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THE PROCESS QUESTION. CAN YOU ADDRESS THAT? WELL, JUST JUST TO UNDERSTAND, I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHAT THE PROCESS SEEMS LIKE, THAT THIS ISN'T A PERFECTLY APPROPRIATE ONE TO GO THROUGH. RIGHT? NOT ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS. THAT'S CORRECT. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. KC, WHILE WE HAVE YOU JUST IN TERMS OF THE TIME PERIOD OF THE MATERIALS BEING AVAILABLE, HAS THERE BEEN AVAILABLE IN WHATEVER IS THE CITY PUBLISHES IS THE AVAILABLE TIME PERIOD? THERE'S SOME COMMENT ABOUT MATERIAL NOT BEING PLANNING OFFICE, AND I'M JUST JUST WANTING TO MAKE SURE. SURE. SO WE UPLOAD EVERYTHING ONLINE THE WEEK BEFORE IT WAS UP. THE AGENDA IS SET ALWAYS. NOBODY GAVE ME YOUR CONTACT INFORMATION. I WAS OUT THAT WEEK. BUT YOU COULD HAVE JUST EMAILED OR ASKED WHAT IT WAS. I CAN GIVE YOU A CARD. YEP. ABSOLUTELY. IT'S POSTED ONLINE. I'M UNDERSTANDING THE QUESTION. THE INITIAL QUESTION IS DO WE APPROVE THEM MOVING 12 SPACES OFF SITE. RIGHT. THAT'S THE BASIC QUESTION. THAT IS THE EXCEPTION BEING ASKED FOR. AND THEN THE AND THEN THE QUESTION. THAT'S THE OTHER CHALLENGE THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT IS IS THERE AN ADVERSE EFFECT. WHEN WE LOOK AT OUR CONDITIONS THERE'S THERE'S FIVE CONDITIONS. THEY ALL SEEM TO BE MET. IF THERE'S A QUESTION ABOUT THAT PARTICULAR ONE. IS THIS EFFECT ON SO THAT'S THAT'S THE SECOND THING THAT WE'RE ASKED TO LOOK AT. SO TO THE QUESTION OF THE OFFSITE QUESTION OF PRECEDENCE WAS BROUGHT UP EARLIER. THERE IS PRECEDENCE THAT THIS BOARD HAS APPROVED FOR ANOTHER HOTEL. IT'S APPROXIMATELY THE SAME DISTANCE FROM. HOW MANY ROOMS DOES THAT HOTEL HAVE? DO YOU HAPPEN TO KNOW? I'M JUST TRYING TO. I'M TRYING TO JUST COMPARE SIZE. I DON'T KNOW. YOU MIGHT. YOU PROBABLY KNOW EXACTLY. I WAS GOING TO SAY 200 AND SOME, BUT I DIDN'T KNOW. SO IT WAS BIGGER. AND I MEAN, IN PRINCIPLE, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. LIKE THE 12 SPACES, I DON'T I DON'T SEE A BIG CHALLENGE. I THINK THE QUESTION IS, IS THAT SHARED DRIVEWAY? I MEAN, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE SHARED DRIVEWAY IS ACTUALLY GOING TO REMAIN. AND WE CAN CERTAINLY PUT CRITERIA ON OUR RECOMMENDATION AND WE CAN STATE THAT SHARED DRIVEWAY SHALL REMAIN. YEAH. AND I THINK THAT'S PRETTY IMPORTANT. AND I AGREE WITH JOE. I'M JUST I JUST PULLED UP GOOGLE EARTH WHEN WE WERE TALKING THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S ABOUT 18FT WIDE, WHICH IS NOT ENOUGH TO BE TWO WAY. SO IT'S GOING TO BE A ONE WAY DRIVE. IT'S ALSO WHAT LOOKS LIKE MAYBE FOUR PARKING SPACES. BEHIND THE. RESIDENTIAL DRIVEWAYS FOR CARS PARKED IN THERE. YEAH. YEAH. SO IT'S NOT A LOT OF PARKING TO BEGIN WITH, BUT I DO THINK THAT TRYING TO GET ACCESS TO IT JUST. [00:55:05] I KNOW THAT THERE'S THE LITTLE SORT OF DOGLEG OF THE SITE WHERE THE DUMPSTER GOES THAT LOOKS LIKE IMMEDIATELY TO THE SOUTH OF THAT IS ACCESSIBLE OFF OF HUNTER VALLEY. AND AGAIN, I HAVEN'T WALKED OVER THERE IN THIS PERIOD OF TIME. I MEAN, I WOULD SAY THAT TO NOT BE ABLE TO EXIT TO THE ALLEY IF YOU CAN. RIGHT NOW, I'M NOT SAYING THAT'S THE CASE, BUT IF YOU COULDN'T ANYMORE, THAT WOULD BE AN ADVERSE IMPACT. I THINK MAINTAINING THE DRIVEWAY TO CHURCH AND ACCESS TO THE ALLEY WOULD BE PRETTY IMPORTANT. CERTAINLY LOOKS LIKE IT IS. I MEAN. IT'S A BIT OF A GRANER LOOKS LIKE IT CAME ABOUT FOUR FEET OVER. OVER. YEAH. ON SUNDAY IT'S BEEN PLANES OUT. EVERYTHING. IT'S A 4% SLOPE ACROSS THAT. SO THAT'S OKAY, RIGHT? IT'S PROBABLY NOT PERFECT, BUT IT SEEMS WORKABLE. KC, CAN I ASK YOU A QUESTION? SURE. THE TRAFFIC STUDY THAT WE DID ON THE COMMISSION WHEN THE HOTEL IN SWANTON WAS APPROVED, I GUESS THE THERE WAS CONSIDERATION GIVEN TO THE EXCEPTION OF PARKING SPACES OR NOT MEETING THE REQUIRED STANDARD. AND YET TRAFFIC STUDY IS BEING DONE. TO WHAT EXTENT DOES A TRAFFIC STUDY THEN WE COME UP WITH ANY RESULTS THAT MUST BE ACTED UPON BY THE APPLICANT. OKAY, IF I UNDERSTAND. SO THE TRAFFIC STUDY IS TRIGGERED DURING THE LAND DISTURBANCE PERMIT. SO THAT HOTEL ACTUALLY DIDN'T SUBMIT IT FOR THIS PROCESS? I WASN'T HERE, SO I APOLOGIZE. MAYBE YOU COULD ADD IN, BUT I DO BELIEVE THAT YOU STARTED THE PROCESS THE SAME EXACT WAY. YES, THEY'RE IN PERMITTING RIGHT NOW. BUT THE TRANSPORTATION STUDY ACTUALLY PROVIDES THE LIST OF RECOMMENDATIONS. SO OUR ENGINEERING AND OUR TRANSPORTATION TEAM REVIEWS ALL OF THAT. AND THEN MOVES FORWARD WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE RECOMMENDED OR IF SOMETHING ISN'T RECOMMENDED THEY HAVE THAT FURTHER DISCUSSION OF WHAT IS NEEDED. SO, THAT IS ACTUALLY PART OF THE LAND DISTURBANCE PERMITTING PROCESS AND HAS TO BE SUBMITTED TO THE EXTENT THAT THE CURRENT DESIGN OF THIS PARKING ARRANGEMENT. THAT WOULD BE PICKED UP BY THE TRAFFIC STUDY AND AT THAT TIME? ESSENTIALLY, YES. IF THERE'S ANYTHING THAT WOULD TRIGGER IT, THEY WOULD STILL USE PARKING COUNTS TO KNOW WHAT WAS COMING ON SITE AT PEAK TIMES. YOU'D HAVE TO GO OUT AND GET REAL TIME DATA SO THEY'D HAVE IT ALONG CHURCH STREET. SO THAT WOULD ALL BE ACCOUNTED IN THAT I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GOING TO SAY A VALET HAS THIS MANY MINUTES TO MOVE A CAR, BUT THEY ARE GOING TO LOOK AT HOW CIRCULATION WORKS ON THE WHOLE SITE. OUR FIRE MARSHAL WILL ALSO REVIEW EVERYTHING. OF COURSE, THEY NEED PROPER ACCESS AND LOADING AND THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THERE MAY BE AREAS THAT THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO PARK VEHICLES IN. SO THAT'S ALL ALL OF THE REVIEWERS ACTUALLY PROVIDE THEIR COMMENTS. OKAY. OKAY. DID I ANSWER IT? OKAY. SO THE QUESTION TODAY REALLY IS JUST ONE SMALL HURDLE. THE OTHER STUFF THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH, RIGHT. THE QUESTION HERE TONIGHT IS JUST ABOUT THE INCREASE IN THE PARKING FROM 80% TO 92%. AND I WILL SAY THAT THE HOLDING OF THE DOWNTOWN MASTER PLAN 2.0 IS RENDERED IS ALMOST SPOT ON WITH THE PROJECT, AND THIS PROPERTY IS INCLUDED AS AN OPPORTUNITY SITE FOR A SIX STORY BUILDING THAT, YES, THAT'S WHERE THE TRAFFIC STUDY TAKE INTO ACCOUNT TRAFFIC CAUSED BY THE PROJECT. SO THEY'LL ACTUALLY WELL, KIND OF. YES, BECAUSE THEY'LL GET A COPY FROM US. SO THE TRAFFIC ENGINEERS WILL ACTUALLY CONTACT THE CITY OR CONTACT THEM TO, TO SEE WHAT WAS RECENTLY PERMITTED. [01:00:01] THAT ONE'S ALL OVER THE NEWS. SO TRUST ME, THEY'LL PICK THAT ONE UP. I THINK EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT THAT. CAN I SAY SOMETHING? IT'S UP TO THEM. IS IT PERTINENT TO THE PERTINENT TRAFFIC STUDIES, JUST THAT PROCESS? COME UP TO THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WATCHING THE PROCESS ON A SEPARATE PROJECT FOR THE MULTI-MODAL STUDY IS THE CONSULTANT DEVELOPS PARAMETERS, CITY REVIEWS THEM AND THEY WOULD LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THE CITY, WOULD TELL THEM ABOUT EVERYTHING PLANNED AROUND IT. SO THAT WOULD BE ACCURATE. THAT'S THE PROCESS WE'RE IN RIGHT NOW. SO JASON, YOU KIND OF MENTIONED THE SUITABILITY EXCEPTION AND YOU RAISED EXCEPTION IS OFF SITE PARKING. BUT YOU'RE ALSO POINTED OUT THAT THE CITY ENVISIONS THIS TO BE SOMEWHAT OF A TALLER BUILDING THAT WE CURRENTLY HAVE IN THAT AREA. AND I BUT DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THAT THE OFF SITE PARKING PROHIBITS THE USE AND DEVELOPMENT OF THE ADJACENT NEARBY. SECTION. DOES IT DOES IT IMPACT THAT? I DON'T SEE HOW THAT IMPACTS THEM. ONE. TWO. THREE. PUBLIC SAFETY TRAFFIC ON PUBLIC STREETS AND TRAFFIC STUDY. I THINK THE ONE WAY IN AND OUT OF TRAFFIC FOR PEDESTRIANS IS SOMEWHAT SAFER. BECAUSE OF THAT DRIVEWAY CONSIDERABLY. THAT IS RESTRICTED TO ONE WAY OR NOT AT. WOULD BE NO DIFFERENT. THE ONE THING. THE PRACTICAL MATTER. IT APPEARS THAT AT THIS POINT, RIGHT WHERE THE DUMPSTER IS, IS THE CONNECTION POINT TO RALLY. RIGHT. AND I KNOW THERE'S A CINDER BLOCK IN WIRE FENCE RIGHT THERE. THERE'S THOSE THINGS THAT LOOK KIND OF LITTLE BOLLARDS. YEAH. THEY STICK UP ABOUT THREE FEET. SO I THINK THEY'RE WAY OUT IS EITHER THIS WAY OR JUST SOUTH OF THAT. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. BEHIND THE OTHER. BEHIND 609. YEAH. PROPERTY VALUES. HEALTH. SAFETY CONDITION, RESIDENTS OF THE CITY. WE DO ENCOURAGE SHARED PARKING. WE DON'T WANT A LOT. I MEAN, THERE'S PARTS OF THE DOWNTOWN DEVELOPMENT PLAN WHERE? PARKING. STREET BEHIND THE BUILDING. WE WANT TO MAKE IT PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. YEAH. PROVIDE PARKING IN A WAY AS DOWNTOWN DECATUR SPECIAL PEDESTRIAN AREA. PROVIDE PARKING IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT DIMINISH THE PEDESTRIAN ENVIRONMENT. USING THE OFF SITE DECK ENCOURAGE ADDITIONAL STREET LEVEL ACTIVITY. AND THAT. THERE IS AN ENTRY. THERE IS AN ENTRY TO THE HOTEL OFF OF THE STREET SIDE SO YOU DON'T ENTER TWO ENTRIES. THERE'S ONE DOOR FACING THE STREET. I THINK THAT'S REQUIRED BY CODE. THAT IS THERE ARE REQUIREMENT ABOUT HOW MUCH OF THE BUILDING FACES THE STREET PERCENTAGE OF PRIMARY STREET FRONTAGE. IT'LL BE IN TRANSPARENCY. TRANSPARENCY? THAT'S CORRECT. IT'S A TRANSPARENCY. IT'S A TRANSPARENCY AND A BLANK WALL SPACE. THINGS THAT I THINK IT COMES DOWN TO. YEAH. AND THAT COMES WITH A SHARED DRIVEWAY. WELL, YEAH. THINGS THAT WOULD HAVE AN IMPACT. NUMBER TWO IS THE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED EXEMPTION. THE SHARED DRIVEWAY IS NOT RELEVANT. NO. NO. PROPOSED EXCEPTION WOULD ONLY BE EVALUATING THE REMOVAL. I DON'T THINK THAT. THE PRECEDENT OF. THE SHARED DRIVEWAY IS NOT RELEVANT TO WHAT THAT COMES UP AT A LATER POINT. BUT. AND IT'S PRESERVED ANYWAY. BUT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE. DO YOU THINK WE NEED TO PUT IT IN THERE AS A CONDITION FOR THE APPROVAL? NO, I JUST THINK THERE'S PROBABLY A RECORDED DOCUMENT THAT SAYS THEY CAN'T IMPACT THE SHARED DRIVEWAY. CORRECT. YEAH. SO UNLESS THEY WORK OUT A DEAL WITH THE ADJACENT NEIGHBOR TO ABANDON THAT AGREEMENT. [01:05:02] WHICH DOESN'T SOUND LIKE THEY CAN'T BUILD THAT AGREEMENT. THEY'LL STAY. THAT DRIVEWAY STAYS. THEY PROBABLY WILL HAVE WHATEVER OBLIGATIONS ARE REQUIRED UNDER THAT AGREEMENT. DO YOU EXPECT THAT THERE'S SOME SOME PREEXISTING LEGAL AGREEMENT THAT SAYS WE'RE GOING TO WE'RE OKAY WITH THE PROPERTY LINE RUNNING DOWN THE MIDDLE OF OUR SHARED DRIVEWAY? YEAH. SO WE'LL VALET PARKING, BUT A ONE CAR BACKUP IN VALET PARKING. GOING UP ON CHURCH STREET GOING NORTH ON CHURCH STREET BACKS UP AGAINST THE DRIVEWAY. SO YOU STILL HAVE TO REMEMBER, THEY DO HAVE QUEUING SPACES FOR THE VALET, SO OBVIOUSLY THE VALET CAN'T PARK IN THE ADA. THEY WOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT, BUT THERE'S TECHNICALLY NOTHING THAT PROHIBITS THEM FROM QUEUING A CAR, EVEN IN A CHARGING LOCATION. YOU KNOW, THEY COULD MOVE IT. SOMEONE COULD SLIDE IN. SO THEY DO HAVE TEN SPACES, AND I THINK TWO ARE ADA. I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT. SO THEY DO HAVE QUEUING SPACES. I UNDERSTAND QUEUING. I PULLED INTO VALET PARKING WHERE VALETS ARE ASSISTING CARS, AND TWO MORE ARE WAITING IN THE STREET TO GET IN WHILE THOSE CARS ARE BEING HELD. WELL, AND TO FURTHER ON TOP OF THAT, IF WE HAVE QUEUING ISSUES ON THE STREET, THIS I HAVE DEALT WITH THESE HERE IN THE CITY OF DECATUR, AND WE QUICKLY PUT A STOP AND CALL EVERYONE AND YOU KNOW, THEY CAN'T QUEUE ON THE STREET. WE'VE HAD OTHER BUSINESSES THAT I'VE HAD TO INTERVIEW OR INTERVENE IN BECAUSE THEY WERE CAUSING DISRUPTION ON THE STREET, SO THEY HAD TO. WE WORKED THROUGH A WHOLE SCENARIO OF ALTERNATIVE ISSUES TO MAKE SURE THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN, BUT I'M SURE THEIR COMPANY ALSO IS NOT GOING TO WANT THAT LIABILITY IN ANY WAY. SO CAN I ASK ONE MORE QUESTION? IS THERE CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY THE VALET STAND IS SET AT THE VERY FRONT OF THE PROPERTY? OKAY. GOTCHA. BUT THEY WOULD STILL BE ABLE TO PARK ALL THE WAY DOWN THE CURB. YEAH, IT WOULD ADDRESS YOUR CONCERNS. I AGREE. I'M NOT SURE I AGREE ON THAT, BUT I'M SAYING IF A VALET STAND WAS FURTHER BACK, YOU COULD DO BEFORE. BUT IF THE VALET STAND IS THERE AND THE VALET IS BUSY WITH A CAR AND THERE'S TWO MORE CARS WAITING TO COME IN, IT'S A PORTABLE STAND, SO YOU CAN MOVE IT. YEAH, WELL, AND IT'S CRUCIAL THAT THEY MADE THIS TWO LANES GOING THE SAME DIRECTION, THAT EVEN IF SOME CARS START TO STACK UP WITHIN THE PROPERTY, THEY COULD JUST GO FORWARD. YEAH. YEAH. THE CAPACITY OF THAT, I MEAN, I'M JUST LOOKING AT THE PARKING SPACES KIND OF GET A SCALE STACK, 16 CARS. WE HAVE 15 FOOT AT THE CURB. CUT. WHAT'S THE TOTAL WIDTH? WHY DOES THAT. WHAT'S THAT? I THINK THE FLARES ARE USUALLY FIVE FEET. BUT WE MET EARLY ON WITH PLANNING TO TELL US THE WIDTH THAT WE NEEDED FOR A SINGLE. SO IT'S GOING TO BE WHERE YOU'D STICK DOWN HERE. OH, IT'LL HAVE TO GO TO 24FT WIDE. YEAH, IT MIGHT END UP BEING LARGER, BUT THE MINIMUM IS 24. WELL YOU'LL BE ABLE TO BACK OUT SO YEAH. MAINTAIN THAT WIDTH. WELL I MEAN LIKE A BIG EVENT AND EVERYBODY JUST SHOWS UP. ONE QUICK QUESTION HOW CLOSE TO THE NORTH SIDE PROPERTY LINE IS? ARE YOU CURRENTLY PLUS OR MINUS? DOES IT LOOK LIKE TEN FEET OR SOMETHING OR LESS? LOOK UP NORTH ARROW JUST TO THE UPPER EDGE ON THE SITE PLAN RIGHT THERE. YEAH, WE'RE A LITTLE UNDER TEN FEET, BUT WE'RE SLICING OUR WINDOWS TO MEET THE BUILDING CODE REQUIREMENTS FOR AMOUNT OF OPEN AREA YOU CAN HAVE ON THAT. SO THAT MAY BE IT MAY BE DIFFERENT THAN THE PICTURE THAT THE RENDERING WOULD. MAYBE THERE'S ALREADY SMALLER THAN THAT. OKAY. GOTCHA. AND WE'RE ALSO LOOKING WE'RE KIND OF SQUEEZING AROUND A LITTLE BIT. WE MIGHT GET TO TEN FEET THERE AND PUT ONE TEN FOOT ONE. YEAH TEN FEET RIGHT I UNDERSTAND. WELL IT'S NOT PARALLEL. SO IT'LL BE A LITTLE DIFFERENT ONE. AND THEN TEN FOOT INPUT. [01:10:01] KNOCKED OUT. DO WE HAVE ANY CHANGES TO THE STATED ORDINANCE EXCEPTION? MIC]. I THINK THAT WE'VE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THOSE NEGATIVE IMPACT. I THINK WE HAVE TO WE MIGHT HAVE TO ALMOST PUT AIR MAKING MAKES A GOOD POINT AT THAT POINT. NUMBER TWO, THAT'S THE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED EXCEPTION. I THE 100% AGREE THAT THE THAT DRIVE AISLE NEEDS TO BE MAINTAINED. IS, IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE EXCEPTION. AND TO JENNY'S POINT, IF THERE'S PROBABLY A LEGAL DOCUMENT THAT ALREADY DEFINES THAT, THEN THAT MAY BE OUTSIDE OF OUR PURVIEW. RIGHT. I JUST DON'T. IS THAT IS THAT UP TO US? I WAS CAN WE CONDITION THAT OR NOT? I HAVE ONE QUICK THOUGHT. JUST TO COULD OR SHOULD, BUT NOW FROM A IT IS COMPLETELY OUTSIDE OF OUR. WE DON'T KNOW. I DON'T KNOW. AND THE PROPERTY IS DEVELOPABLE AS IS THE EXCEPTION DOESN'T ISN'T CHANGING ANYTHING ON THE PROPERTY SITE OTHER THAN IT'S NOT HAVING 10 OR 12 MORE SPACES. SO YOU HAVE TO ENCROACH ON THE DRIVEWAY. YEAH. THINGS WOULD CHANGE. BUT. TRY TO MAKE THE HOTEL SLIGHTLY SMALLER. THAT WOULD BE SLIGHTLY SMALLER, BUT THAT DOESN'T CHANGE. AND I PROPOSED ANY. YOU COULD TAKE UP SOME ROOM UP FROM THE GROUND FLOOR HOTEL ROOMS. RIGHT? YEAH. BUT THAT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T IT DOESN'T HELP THE DECATUR DESIRE FOR NON PARKING AND ACTIVE USES AT THE GROUND LEVEL OR PEOPLE AT THE GROUND LEVEL. SO. RIGHT. BUT I DON'T THINK. SO I THINK I CAN CLARIFY THE EASEMENT BECAUSE WE'RE JUST TALKING ABOUT THE EASEMENT. CORRECT. SO EVEN US AT THE CITY, I DON'T HAVE A COPY OF THE EASEMENT. SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT SAYS, BUT ESSENTIALLY NOTHING COULD BE REMOVED OR BLOCKED IF IT IS TRULY A SHARED AGREEMENT WITHOUT US HAVING AUTHORIZATION FROM BOTH, BOTH GRANTOR AND GRANTEE SAYING THAT THIS COULD HAPPEN. THIS ISN'T THE FIRST TIME WE'VE SEEN AN EASEMENT OR HAD TO DEAL WITH ANYTHING LIKE THIS. SO WE THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO REMOVE IT COMPLETELY. THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO BUILD OVER IT, PUT A FENCE OVER IT, YOU NAME IT. WE'VE PROBABLY SEEN IT. BUT I HAVEN'T SEEN THAT ACTUAL EASEMENT AGREEMENT DOCUMENT. IS THERE ANY CHANCE THERE IS NO OFFICIAL EASEMENT AND IT'S JUST A GRANDFATHERED EXISTENCE? WELL, ON A SURVEY THEY WOULD HAVE TO PRODUCE THAT IN THE TITLE. YEAH, BUT IT LOOKS LIKE IT MIGHT BE. YEAH, IT'S CAN COMMENT ON THAT. YOU MAY MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT. OKAY. SO THERE IS. THERE'S ALSO SOMETHING CALLED A PRESCRIPTIVE PRESCRIPTIVE OR WHAT YOU CALLED GRANDFATHERED. THERE'S AN EASEMENT BY WAY OF DECADES OF USE FOR THAT DRIVEWAY GOES STRAIGHT BACK TO HUNTER'S ALLEY. AND IF YOU APPROVE THIS THE WAY THEY'VE PROPOSED IT, IT DOES INTERFERE WITH OUR ABILITY TO EGRESS. THE BACK OF 609 HAS BEEN BLOCKED OFF FOR YEARS. SO IF YOU APPROVE THIS, IT IS GOING TO BE AN ADVERSE SITUATION. AND THERE'S I WENT TO LAW SCHOOL A LONG TIME AGO. BUT YOU HAVE BOTH A RECORDED EASEMENT AND PRESCRIPTIVE EASEMENT AND THE PERMISSIVE EASEMENT. SO IF YOU APPROVE THIS THE WAY IT IS, IT'S GOING TO FACE SOME LEGAL CHALLENGES AND IT'S NOT GOING TO YOU KNOW, BE THE WAY THAT IT SHOULD. AND SO I THINK I'VE HEARD YOU SUGGEST THAT ONE LANE DRIVEWAY NEEDS TO GO STRAIGHT BACK TO HUNTER'S ALLEY, AND I AGREE WITH THAT. THAT'S THE WAY IT'S BEEN FOR YEARS. AND THAT WOULD NEED TO BE ADDRESSED IN A STIPULATION BECAUSE WE, WE WOULD LEGALLY OPPOSE ANYTHING THAT ADVERSELY AFFECTS US. AND WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, I DON'T NECESSARILY KNOW THAT YOU GUYS ARE EXPERTS IN OR QUALIFIED TO DETERMINE WHAT'S AN [01:15:10] ADVERSE EFFECT. BASED ON YOUR COMMENTS, I THINK THERE ARE DEFINITELY SOME. AND THOSE COULD BE CONTESTED ISSUES, I THINK, THAT REQUIRE MORE EVALUATION AND CONSIDERATION AND SUBMISSION OF INFORMATION AND DOCUMENTS. THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE INFORMATION IN WHAT THEY'VE SUBMITTED. THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE INFORMATION FOR THEIR PROPOSED CURB CUT. THERE'S NOT ADEQUATE INFORMATION FOR A LOT OF DIFFERENT THINGS IN HERE. AND I THINK IT'S PREMATURE TO APPROVE IT WITH A VERY, GREEN FLOOR APPLICATION PACKAGE. THAT'S VERY LIGHT ON FACT AND EVALUATION. AND AGAIN, WHERE IT SAYS THERE'S NO ADVERSE EFFECT WITHOUT CONSIDERING OR DISCUSSING WITH US ANYTHING. I THINK THAT'S PREMATURE. THANK YOU FOR COMING. I DON'T THINK THAT THERE IS POTENTIALLY ADVERSE EFFECTS. I JUST DON'T KNOW THAT OUR RECEPTION IS NOT ADEQUATE. I DON'T THINK THE EXCEPTION. I THINK THE ON SITE PARKING. AND WE'RE NOT HERE TO DISCUSS THE MERITS OF ANYTHING ELSE. I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS IS A PRETTY NARROW FOR WHAT WE CAN DO, RIGHT? THIS IS PRETTY NARROW. YES. YEAH. AND I MEAN, THIS IS GOING TO HAVE TO GO THROUGH MULTIPLE OTHER STEPS BECAUSE ALL WE ARE PROVING AN EXCEPTION TO THE ORDINANCE THAT PERMITS UP TO 80% TO SAY YOU CAN'T EVEN GO TO 92%. COULD I ATTEND TO THAT? NO. THANK YOU. OKAY. YEAH. JUST THAT, THAT PARTICULAR THING, I DON'T I DON'T SEE HOW MOVING 12 CARS OFF THIS SITE CREATES ADVERSE EFFECT. THERE COULD BE, IF THEY HAVE A SHARED PARKING AGREEMENT WITH THE SPACES THAT ALREADY EXIST. RIGHT. THAT PARTICULAR THING DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE CREATING ADVERSITY. YOUR THOUGHTS? ENTERTAIN A MOTION. I MOVE THAT WE APPROVE THE REQUEST FOR AN EXCEPTION APPLICANT IS REQUESTING A SPECIAL EXCEPTION TO INCREASE OFFSITE PARKING FROM 80% TO 92%. SPECIFICALLY, 108 SPACES ARE REQUIRED. APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO HAVE TEN SPACES ON SITE AND A SECURE EASEMENT, AGREEMENTS WITH SURROUNDING PARKING DECK OWNERS FOR THE REMAINING SPACES. AND SO WE'RE BY THIS REQUEST, WE'RE ALLOWING THEM TO PARK 92% OFFSITE INSTEAD OF 80% THAT THAT'S CORRECT. YOU'RE INCREASING IT FROM 80% TO 92%. TWO CONDITIONS, ONE, THAT THE FUNDING AGREEMENT BE PROVIDED. AND THEN I'M NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE SECOND ONE SHARED DIRECTING PRIVILEGES OR CONDITION UPON, AND SHALL CONTINUE IN EFFECT ONLY AS LONG AS THE USE FOR WHICH SHARED PARKING HAS LEGALLY ENFORCEABLE ACCESS TO THE REQUIRED AMOUNT OF SHARED PARKING. WHAT? DOES THAT MEAN IF WE CHANGE IT? OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I'M SORRY. YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT? NUMBER TWO SAYS. I THOUGHT YOU WERE TRYING TO SAY IT. MY APOLOGIES. I'M SORRY. BASICALLY, IT'S SAYING THAT THEY HAVE TO CONTINUE THE SHARED PARKING AGREEMENTS. HAVE TO CONTINUE AS LONG AS THE BUSINESS IS. YES, I THINK IT SAYS THE USE. DOES THAT MEAN THAT IF THEY DECIDE TO CHANGE IT FROM A HOTEL ONE DAY TO AN OFFICE BUILDING, WE WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT PARKING CALCULATION FOR OUR HOTEL USE. OKAY. IF THE USE WAS CHANGED THEY MAY NOT NEED THE SPECIAL EXCEPTION ANYMORE. THAT'S CORRECT. RIGHT. BECAUSE THE PARKING COUNT MAY GO DOWN AND THEY MAY BE IN LINE WITH WHATEVER THE REGULATION MAY BE IN THE FUTURE. SO THAT'S SAYING IS YEAH. MY APOLOGIES. I THOUGHT YOU WERE JUST READING IT. I GOT IT. AS WRITTEN? YES. IN WHAT WAS IN THE PACKAGE? A SECOND, SECOND. THANK YOU. JENNY. ANY DISCUSSION ON THE MOTION? NONE. I'LL MOVE TO THE VOTE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR SAY AYE. AYE. OPPOSED. OPPOSED. OPPOSED. ABSTAIN. MOTION PASSES. [01:20:10] ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU, EVERYBODY, FOR YOUR TIME. WE'LL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT ITEM ON OUR AGENDA WHICH IS PETE, OUR TRAINING TAKEAWAYS. YES. KC FIRST, I'LL SAY THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR SETTING UP THE TRAINING. NO WORRIES. I PERSONALLY THOUGHT IT WAS VERY BENEFICIAL. PICKED A GREAT PERSON TO DO IT. I'VE HEARD HER TEACH BEFORE AND SHE'S GOT SUCH ENERGY AND STORIES AND. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BOTH VENUES WERE WONDERFUL. I KNOW, RIGHT? LITTLE AC ISSUES, BUT WE GOT IT. MY MAIN TAKEAWAY IS THAT I THINK WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO DO THEM. AT LEAST. YOU KNOW AS MUCH AS THE CITY BUDGET CAN SUPPORT. ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, WE CAN SUPPORT ANNUALLY, ANNUALLY, WHATEVER TOPICS WE MIGHT DEEM TO BE IMPORTANT. I THOUGHT THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. I LEARNED A LOT. GOOD. YEAH. NICELY DONE. VERY NICELY DONE. PERFECT. I AGREE. WE MISSED YOU. YEAH. I HAVE A BOOKLET. I HAVE EVERYTHING FOR YOU. I WANTED TO GET THAT. I HAD LANDED FROM JAPAN LIKE TEN HOURS BEFORE AND MY CLOCK WAS NOT READY. [VI.a. Next meeting: November 10, 2025.] WE DO HAVE A MEETING. WE GOT STUFF ON THERE. NOT AS OF RIGHT NOW. OH, OKAY. SO. SO NO MEETING? POTENTIALLY NO MEETING. OKAY. ANYTHING LOOKING FOR DECEMBER? I'M NOT AWARE OF ANYTHING THAT'S COMING IN, BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN THAT IT WON'T SHOW UP, SO. OKAY. WELL, MAYBE SEE YOU IN DECEMBER. MAYBE SEE YOU AROUND. MAYBE WE JUST ALL GET TOGETHER AND SAY WE'RE COMING TO A PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING, AND WE GO TO ONE OF THE MANY PLACES WE CAN VISIT HEREIN DECATUR. AS LONG AS YOU GOT THIS. AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR COMMENTS AND THE WORK YOU DO FOR THE DECATUR CEMETERY. THANK YOU. * This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.